Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Ross K, Sep 11, 2010.
Jack Sock plays with the standard.
the x feel 95 felt great even better than fischers mpro version, I thouht they were the same but the Pacific definately swings easier. I expect the tour plays very well, great sticks fischer/pacific
Great call. Close enough to the apd, nice stick. Never tried the regular Aero, only hit with the Tour. Very nice stick, just a little dead toward the top of the hoop, at least without lead.
Have you looked at any of the Mantis range?
My...my.... great minds DO think alike.
Ordered that racquet from T-dub, 6:30am eastern time, before I went to work today. :smile:
Got the grade A used one T-dub had... notice how it's no longer available!
Be here friday, ortho cleared me for light hitting this weekend.. no serves or sets.
After nearly 4 months gentleman.......... FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!
Klem, congrats man. That's huge.
Well, just a bit of idle racketaholic pondering yesterday has elicited some interesting ideas (haven't tried Mantis, Simon, would you recommend?) - and not least with the Aerostorms, which I have zero experience in, but that recommendation struck a chord. One reason being this (I agree with FK):
I've long felt 95" headsizes aren't quite forgiving enough or whatever for me - and that includes the TF320, the 6.1s, and most notably YTPP (not really the 98" it's sold as, of course. I think if it was just a tad bigger hoop, it would suit me so much better. Shame as there's so much else I love about those frames.) Bab 98s though I've played with previously, like the PST and PC, do indeed seem 'true' 98s.
Anyhow just more 'Holic imaginings here as opposed to a serious mission (it's literally been raining non-stop for three weeks in London, so very little playing)... but, yep, food for thought.
Superb news, klem ^^^... in fact...
Tonight let there be worldwide Racketaholic Full Moon Parties in celebration!
That reminds me I'm off to Ibiza in a couple of weeks
Fantastic Rich. Love it out there. I'm off to Menorca myself for a long holiday at the end of the summer. Having been deluged with rain for three weeks down here in London, I'm really looking forward to it, with the caveat - as long the extended family don't drive me too mental.:twisted:
Stop talking about holidays with this weather you're making me jealous! ;-)
Do they have courts and internet where you are going Ross?If so you find a game and you can be an international tennis player.
I have a collector who has a beautiful villa in menorca, pool, tennis court, you know the score, been there on a couple of occasions. Majorca we love and keep going back. This is my first time in Ibiza, I was never one for soap bubbles on acid when young so never ventured. Tennis racket is packed as there are clay courts on site. Going with sis and her husband, he plays and got me back into playing, sadly he finds it difficult to get a game these days but it should be fun nevertheless.
No tennis I'm afraid where I'm headed.
Clay court on site?... Very well played Sir!
Getting a bit quiet on this thread ATM. Is everyone kind of settled down and abandoning their racketaholic ways? Personally I've been getting a bit twitchy without succumbing (yet)... Pro Open and Aerostorm interest me right now... I'm sure I'd like the VCore 100... and then I'm also trying to banish those thoughts which say "go heavier and more stable"... as PED said the other day, I'm probably after a frame that hasn't been invented!
Been resting/rehabbing the bum knee so no holism for me of late. Will be queuing up the Q Tour, along with possibly one of those VCore Tours and might give PP's Roddick a shot whenever I do really get back at it. Though of late, I've been extremely happy with the old, faithful 7G.
I can't make any recommendations about Mantis because I have barely played with one racket and hit about ten balls with another. These are the 315 and 305 Tour models. But first impressions of the 315 are very interesting. This is a racket that looks like a Dunlop Aerogel 200 but plays very differently. It is meant I think as a competitor for Babolat and others who go for the big spin/power game -- but in a more conventional package. Another racket it might compete with is the VCore 95 D. Rackets that promote head speed, spin and power. The feel is firm and crisp. It is very solid for a 315 gram racket.
I was also impressed by the strings and balls, albeit on a very brief hit. I had a hybrid of Mantis power spin and comfort poly in the 315 and liked it. The balls too were high quality and well priced by comparison with some brands.
So all in all on a very brief hit I was impressed. That said I am disposed to be impressed because Mantis is a UK business.
I can second the balls, like them very much....
Also the rackets look like they have a throat that is not too dissimilar to the older Revelation throats which imo where the bestest ever.......this is just from fotos seen, CC are there similarities??
On another note I played in my vapor lunarlites last night, by far the most stable vapors but they kill your feet. My Head shoes are great but they are too heavy (19oz) and noticable moving backwards quickly, my biggest weakness.
Looks like Im gonna buy some 2k11's.....
......some 2k11's and a Vcore 89 tour hopefully coming my way very soon
Had a match last night, our team won, thats two outa two for the beginning of the season.
I also wanted to say, how joyfull it was to play with a round, smooth, softish feeling, no nonsense co-poly last night after playing (with excellent results) a load of poly hybrids. The poly in question, Pacific Power Pro Black, very good all round string, you put in what you get out and most of all a fuller feeling stringbed, good for volleying and consistency of groundstrokes. Liked it very much.
WHERE have you got the tour comming from?
A collector with a court, impressive!
I'm totally happy with my wilson H22, what i'm not happy about is a total denial by wilson of it's existance so no chance of grommets.I have my pro staffs back ( )and now have 6 frames here by my side as i type that i like to play with, sadly none are current so no chance of easilly getting bits for them.
These yonex vcore frames have however caught my attention too as they look quite smart, see Yoonex are offering a free bag with the 95 or the tours at the moment too.:shock:
It's starting again......
Yes Gads..heal and then wield the PDR and the new PK!
I really am loving the PDR since it is just so flexible in terms of hitting style. Some shots I loop a little more and others I drive and this excells at both.
With gut mains, I can really get that same Fed Forehand trajectory where the ball is driven over the net and dives down very sharply. I know I am getting massive spin off this because a guy I hit with likes to slice back my bigger forehands and many times he can't read them or time them off the bounce and ends up framing them into the ground off his bottom frame.
I am now to the point where gut/poly lasts me longer than full poly and seems like a 2 week string job minimum. If you hit flat, it will last longer. I am telling you guys, this setup is unfair in terms of spin. It is such an honest string job as well that it just gives you the ball you expect every time you hit...and it is such a nice easy swing. I still generate a lot of racquet head speed, but I am so controlled now. It feels like the ball is being slingshotted over the net, and really opened my eyes to one of the reasons Feds strokes are so gorgeous and heavy. More importantly, the feel of it in a modern stick is so classic and buttery..even in the Roddick. My roddick feels very very comfortable with this setup, and since I am swinging under control, my arm and wrist are twinge free.
I need to add that proper technique is key..you HAVE to split step every time before they hit the ball..prep with the chin to shoulder, offhand outstretched and initializing the swing and loading off the back foot. This has to happen for any racquet/string setup, but I bet a lot of players don't factor it in enough. I was finally getting all of this done consistently when using the PD+ with RIP and it was awesome as well, but this takes it to another level. Also the improved and consistent technique has allowed me to go back to a 12oz stick and really utilize it properly. My strokes are a lot better since my last video..which to me displayed a lot of racquet head speed, but awful balance, prep and footwork. Now that I have fixed those things, I definitely want to film again.
Without a doubt this is the hardest I have hit forehands consistently ever. The PDR is going to add serious punch to your strokes, but the string setup takes it to another level that I think would do the same for a lot of the sticks being used in here.
Another thing about this stringbed is that serves are going to have much more spin and pace, and volleys and touch shots are going to be FAR better than any full poly bed. What is fascinating is that while the setup gives a ton of power and spin, you can also punch the ball and it does not fly. I am not even sure how that happens, but with full poly at lower tensions, those punch shots can fly and touch shots are tougher. I really like to have that dynamic to my game as many players will stand back and cheat to return my groundies, so I win a lot of points with dropshots. I need touch and feel AND spin and power and I get all of it.
We all have spent so much cash on racquets...spend it on strings and put gut in there. It is probably the best thing I have ever done for my tennis game.
Having 3 great sticks to choose and hit with is great and bad... the kind sort that makes you wonder if you can ever love one.
For a long time it was the vantages but having fooled around with the JP and PD2012 they are getting into my head...
JP (ugly) has all that I was looking for in a stick in a long time. At only 346g strung w leather grip and og it plays great from all areas of the court and serves big to boot. However, the pj is just plain fugly.
PD2012 (blue black) what a big hitter for such a light stick. It's so easy to swing all day long and it delivers all the time. Other then being a tad ham fisted and doesn't have that solid foam/wood filled filling, this thing is awesome.
Vantage 95... what else is there to say about this stick... power, precision, touch, balance, this has it all in spades... the weight too unfortunately... 361g strung is getting a bit much especially after a long day at the office.
Sigh... what a dilemma.
I second the gut/poly set up. The few times I've played with it, it's been super comfy on the arm, power when asked, touch, and spin. Something about it that makes you feel like you can play forever with it.
PP, can you remind us what tension and gauges you are using? I know it's in here somewhere...
No problem, I use 16 gauge gut and am experimenting with 1.25 cofocus poly and also 1.30 as well.
Nice racketaholic work with the incoming Vc 89 T.
Wow, I bet that H22 is some frame. Is there anything that slightly compares to it? Just to give me a better idea of it's performance etc.
It's the sort of racketaholic dilemma we're all rather well versed in around here - LOL... RE the VT 95, I'd also add "quality build". I recall the first time I simply bounced the ball on the stringbed of the 330g 221 VT... no vibration at all... solid... smooth... Damn! Why did I sell them!
Okay, I'm starting to get a little interested here with that BDR of yours. I asked you a Q on the main PD thread just now.
Ross I beg of you to try gut poly in your APD.
(once it stops raining over there of course)
Does Tsonga use gut/poly in his?
Yes he does, at 31kgs which is high. Lots of pros use VS mains and ALU crosses ( see here http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=423117 ) , but you can use less expensive gut and cofocus for the same effect and a much longer lasting stringbed.
I used VS black mains and B5E crosses, very good but expensive and broke too fast. I also tried Pacific Polygut, cheaper and good.
I found that it was a bit powerful this gut/poly in a APD but felt very arm friendly. May go back to it sometime, suing Cofocus as a cross which is cheaper.
Dont you find gut/poly to powerful for these already powerful rackets like APD and PD?
No because I hit with so much spin with the setup. It is absolute gold and is like using spaghetti strings. Look at Fed. His stick has a lot of boom for a mid and he strings this setup at 48.
What broke for you? The gut? If so I'd use string savers. Also b5e is not a good cross because it will saw right through. You need a smooth poly that slides, and that is why cofocus is so perfect.
Could you imagine Nadal using gut/ poly? Wrong section but just asking.
I hear you re the gut/poly. Will try it out for sure.
Re the BDR, I'm going to read up on it... basically I really like the sound of a bit more plow/solidness/lack of vibrations in a Bab stick, however, I need to learn more re how it swings/weight and balance, and a few other things.
Thanks. Have you tried gut in the crosses and poly in the mains yet? If so, what advantages have you seen using gut in the mains versus crosses? Maybe a little more power?
I hate to say this as I thought my long-standing lead set up hassles with the APD were sorted with my 6g @ b/capp and 3g @ 12. Practicing this week though, over a few sessions, I've slowly but surely began to detect a few pains and discomfort in my right wrist region. Yesterday, on particular shots, it was clearly an issue. But the way the wrist feels, and the way it responds to certain shots like DTL buggy whip or high up defensive stuff, I'm convinced it's not a string issue, but the weight/balance/lead set up. And the last time I had this same sensation was few years back with the YT Rad Pro...
Actually I haven't been convinced by this set up, but in the interests of consistency and trying to just play 1 frame etc, as well seeking a set up suited for kabooming heavy top play, I kind of sacrificed the fact I never quite felt this set up was 100% for me. So it begs the qsn, is it time for some APD modding experiments? Time to reconfigure? Maybe try 3 and 9? I mean, I want to keep good swing speed but maybe solid up the hoop a bit. I dunno...
Any APD users/others want to post up thoughts on set up or whatever, I'm all ears.
Just waiting in the queue like everybody else Dave.....but the feelers are out.
Yeah I thought the pim pim was a 90 (rdx500 mid) yonex mids are very easy to use. Gotta say tho I did like the yellow paint job of the rds001.
I've just found a new rds 001 mid in a local shop, it's tempting but i know there must be better frames out there for me!
It is, it has the flex feeling of the head 630 but does seem to give a little more pop, i can make it a touch more headlight and best of all really is it's currently 330(ish) strung. It will happily trade groundstrokes all day (well untill my technique breaks down, ok 3 or 4 shots in a row then!) i'm not so good with it at the net.
Oh and good lord above are my topspin second serves good! I gave up trying 1st serves after a while in one match i played with it!
Thumpy, thats the noise it makes when you hit the ball.
Hopefully weather stays nice and i can get out with it today and the PS original 95, i wonder what the new one is like, it's white though, don't like that too much......
Is it the all yellow one? How much?
Gut in the mains makes the racquet feel like butter,and the spin and power is very very high. Gut in the crosses with a poly main apparently is just not nearly as good at any of those categories so I have avoided it.
Finally had a chance to string up some Hexaspin Twist twice now 55lbs- ( very trampoliny, vibration galor ), 58lbs ( pingy and lots of vibration transfer) and unlike Ross and Meaghan this string is not for me. I am not sure if it is the tension or if it is racquet dependent but it felt very un spectacular to me when directly compared to Tornado or BHBR. Lots of vibrations and trampoline effect felt. Probably my least favorite poly I have tried in the APD or any racquet for that matter. Hexaspin Twist for me = Fail Oh well to each there own I guess. On to the next one. 1.24 Hyperion and 1.27 Genesis twisted razor are next .
Interesting, prob the tension, I strung it at 47 & 49lbs and it was good all round, certainly no vibrations.
I have noticed with a couple of pros pro strings that over 55 they went rather stiff and lifeless.
47 & 49 lbs probably would have been better on the Legend or the Melly but I think it would only enhance the trampoline effect on the APD. The APD is not a low tension type of stick IMO. Anyways no harm done as a reel worked out to be about $45.00 shipped and I can keep for a few of my customers that are only worried about cost. I may try at say 52lbs before I give up on Hexaspin completely.
Question for you Meags: from what I recall from previous posts, when you are saying 48 lbs you are actually pulling tension on your crank machine set to 54 or are you setting it at 48lbs? If your actually setting it at 48lbs then I defineately strung it too tight.
Murray I will try the hexa in a hybrid with Nvy at 50/52 and see how it goes.
Yeah pulling 6 or 7 lbs lighter ti accommodate for the tension creep on the crank, so 54 for 48...
Used pacific power pro black the other day which I thought was real good strung at 58 lbs
In other racketaholic news, I guy I string for asked if I wouldn't mind trying out his VCore 100s before I restring it so I could give him a good starting point on tension. Of course in a weak moment I said yes, but I gotta admit I am a little hesitant to hit with it. I have been so good lately and have limited my racketaholic tendencies to this thread, trying out new strings and goating the tw pages for potential back ups if the APD starts to bother my arm.
Oh no! :cry: That's why I'm always a bit reluctant to actually recommend strings - it's such an infinitely subjective matter, and there are variables too that can effect individual perceptions (as you allude to)... Just wondering then, what are your thoughts on Tour Bite?
Re your hit with the VC 100, don't be hesitant, GO FOR IT AND LET US KNOW ASAP HOW IT COMPARES WITH YOUR APD!... yes, definitely a frame that has tweaked my curiosity of late.
I've tried them both ways around. At the time, I had poly in the mains and was experimenting with cross strings. What I was after was a crisp multi, but couldn't find one (and that's after trying multis that are deemed 'crisp'), so in general preferred a syn gut. It turns out natural gut was that elusive 'crisp multi' I was after. If you like the dominant feel of poly in the mains, then it's a really nice setup. The biggest issue with it is that the poly mains will die on their arse, and unless you don't mind playing with dead poly it will be an expensive habit.
I then flipped them round so the gut was in the main, and that was the winning combination for me. The touch and feel you get is so much greater, and my volleying improved overnight. I get more spin out of this setup, so bashing from the baseline became easier. I also don't really notice when the poly dies - at least, not so much that it makes me want to cut it out.
Of course, one man's Pro Staff is another man's Pure Drive...
I've seen the new VCore Tour 89 in person today. A couple of observations:
1) While it's quite obvious at first glance that it's a midsize frame, the head somehow doesn't seem that small. In fact it's almost as wide as a Pure Drive, just shorter.
2) It almost looks like an extended frame (it is not), due to the short hoop and extra long throat.
3) From dry swinging the frame I feel it might benefit from a slightly heavier grip. Maybe just an overgrip will do.
4) The paint job is simply gorgeous (minus the "Micro Core" decals at 2 and 10, those are just dumb). Build quality is of course second to nun. Still think the 95D is cooler looking, especially the bicolour grommets.
5) Where on the 95D it says "D is for Drive", the 89 Tour says "Ultimate". Hehe.
6) TWE already has both the 89 and 97 (310g) in stock.
Also spent a bit more time with the Q Tour this week. Nothing much to add, though. It's a very solid frame, quite powerful with the gut/poly hybrid and very stable. Hits naturally a bit more flat than, say, my Pure Drive on the same strokes. I managed to serve well with it, decent pop and placement, but would need some more time to adjust from the PD (I don't plan on switching, though). Serve returns are a-ok, either by just blocking the ball back or using an abbreviated swing. The mass of the frame, it's stability and manoeuvrability works well here. Still a kind of muted and unique feeling frame. I'm interested to read what Gads has to say about it once he manages to snag a demo.
dags you nailed it..well stated.
808, the Yy 89 sounds like a mid that may be a little easier to use then a k90 or prestige 89..very cool.
Good stuff 808.
All.... just got back from my first hit in nearly 4 months!!!! Only promised myself 20 minutes but went an hour. Just rallying, no serves. Felt great. Stretched before and after.
FedK,all, played with the Pacific X-feel tour, strung with POSG at 50lbs., which arrived yesterday. Did not serve, just rallying. No 2handed back-hands either, too much shoulder rotation, just abbreviated 1handers.
-Feels like 56-58 rdc, so on point.
-Not powerful, low sw
-Low sweetspot, very low
-Great feel, not string sensitive
-Plenty of spin potential, no punch
I would imagine it's in between a radical and exoTour on serve but don't know. Easy to get the timing down. Weighed 314 grams strung, 320 with og and rubber band. Makes me interested in the Pacific x-fast pro.. or whatever it's called.
I felt great out there today. Have been concentrating on core and leg exercises during my time off, so the heat and humidity did not bother me. Surprised at how after 10 min. I was in a groove. Guess it's like riding a bike. :smile:
^^^ That's brilliant. Welcome back to the fold.
Excellent to hear about the VC T 89 here.
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