Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Ross K, Sep 11, 2010.
I knew nothing until some serious google work last night, so don't feel too bad.
^It's all confusing. I'd love to have a TGK to tinker around with but when I can almost get two frames for the price of one TGK, I'll take the two.
Yeah...trust me, I will give an honest comparison of the 2 sticks as well so you have even more info on it. If it is really that good, I will tell you to save up your cash, but basically it is just a higher quality layup, so I am expecting a little more feel and control...with the added ability to customize the stick how I want it.
From some emails I have received, I should have no problems going back and forth between the 2 sticks, so basically the retail will be my extremely nice backup.
Do you ever use your 3rd stick? I am thinking I can get away with 2 and just buy an old school prestige now and then if I see one. Of course I have a stringer at my place. Gotta love the tight pattern...really makes premature breakage more difficult.
I keep my sticks in rotation right now to keep the wear on the strings even. But breakage is rarely an issue even using 17g poly.
I am vert much looking forward to your review.
Jealousy. Where did you get this fancy Prestige? The Bay is pretty much the only place these days to find these types of coded Prestiges, correct? Will be quite curious to see how this fancy one plays in comparison to the delightful YT.
By the way, regarding Prestige Mids, I have yet to find a more sensational stick returning big serves. To me that's the big highlight. Even with the small head, as long as you get the racquet on the ball it's a sweet feeling to use the weight/balance of it to just crush the serve right back. That's the one huge thing I miss when I've been testing lighter sticks, the solidity of that service return. Other sticks seem to be a bit more timid, or send the ball flying if you go after it. The Mid just seems to know what to do.
Have always strung my Mid at 57 with Volkl Cyclone 17, but this Mid discussion revival, accompanied by different string setups, has me thinking about trying something a bit different, going lower in tension to see how the frame reacts.
I think the new codes imply the pj as well, I havent seen any 237.1 with YT pj.
Same goes for 238.2 (MGPP), you see lots of them around but not with YT pj, now you only see 238.5 (YTPP). Could it be the same sticks?.
Surely head will not produce that many new pro stock models every second year. Before you would see TGK´s and PT`s with different pj´s, but it looks like head changed that now.. Just a thought!
Ross, why no mention of your return to the world of racketaholism? I'm actually very interested to hear about your continued venture with the PC +.
don't you end up never playing with fresh strings?
Fair question, but what I found is that even if you leave a frame never being hit, tension drops just as much so it feels less "fresh" compared to hitting with it sooner. Keeping them all in rotation makes them feel more uniform which is what I'm going for.
I guess everyone is looking for something different in string setups. For me, as soon as I hit full poly, the decay begins so I keep one fresh and play with my other.
I agree that the tension drops even when it's not hit but the stringbed feels different and fresher to me if it's "virgin".
We all like something different
Haven't had a proper session/match for over a week, just light hits.
That said, the PC+ continues to make me want to keep playing it. I even thought it might be more a case of the Tour Bite string-job I was responding to so favorably, but I've now hit with the PC+ with full Alu, and I can safely say: it isn't just the Tour Bite, there's something in how the PC+ Swirl crunches a groundie that I just really like. Ditto the Bab grip shape and the issue of spin continues to mean I want to keep checking out this Swirly PC+.
Anyhow, although I don't mind admitting in some ways I wish I'd just stay happy re the PPs, there's not much I can do.. ATM these Swirlys are just, er, calling my name.
A proper session tomorrow though, and yet another chance to properly gauge my suitability to the frame.
^^I agree that it's the PC and not just the tour bite, but one word about tour bite.
I continue to be really impressed with this string. I've had one stick with TB this week and the other with SpinX. The TB is maintaining playability much longer than the spin x and staying much more elastic as well.
Not shocked that you love the swirly. The test is going to be if you can execute rally strokes under pressure in a match situation over and over. If so, you may be good to go. This is why racquet feel is really key, but more importantly is playability and consistency. So far for me, the Prestige keeps me under control and not just blasting topspin groundies the whole time.
Anyway, got the TGK in. I figured I would share the specs with you guys and then tell you how it hits later on.
The balance is 31.5. I believe from the finger balance check, that this equates to the same as the stock, but I do not know how to translate that into points..maybe one of you gurus can? I know both are equal length at 27 inches.
I got both sticks measures on the Babolat SW machine. In my experience, the Machine reads out a little low.
Regardless, the customized TGK has a swingweight of 322 and the stock racquet is 318. So the TGK swings a bit heavier, but definitley in my wheelhouse, which is perfect.
The weight of the TGK with Overgrip and dampener clocks in at 345, which is also pretty perfect as well.
Interestingly, the Stock racquet with OG and damp is 355. I don't feel a huge difference so I am pretty sure I will be fine to use the stock as a backup racquet.
I think this illustrates why the TGK is sought after though. I basically have a high quality prestige with Head calfskin leather (wilson pallet) and it specs out a little better than stock. 12.1 ozs and a SW of 320. On paper, this is pretty good stuff. I wanted leather, but knew it would change the balance and weight of the retail stick so I stayed with hydrasorb..not a huge deal, but it is nice to be able to add leather and retain the balance and feel of the prestige.
PP, a stock YTMid is 7 points HL, 31.5cm translates 8.5 points HL so you're a tad more HL than stock.
FWIW, my apd's are also at 31.5cm and they feel really nice.
You and Ross are in the same boat: one TGK and one stock stick
You writeup on the mods to the TGK indicate why they are so great: you can spec them out to just how you like them without making them massively heavy. TBH, that's how I view my Bab's: they're so light in stock form that I can chop and change to get them spot on.
Ironically thats why I moved from the PDR as it was close to my ideal weight in stock form but I never like the balance as much.
I'm enjoying your experience with the TGK
PED..thanks! That is actually cool because I could add some lead at 12 if I feel I need to bring the sticks a little closer in spec. I could end up loving the setup of the TGK though,so I will see what is better.
Advanced math question : Do you have any idea how much lead I would want to put at 12 to balance them evenly if I choose to (I am guessing not much, like maybe 3 grams or so)? And how many Sw points it would add?
And another thing... the + factor...
I've neglected to mention something else - namely, the issue of plus-size rackets; in fact in the opening pages of this thread when i was looking at the PSTGT+ I was debating then whether I should just bite the bullet and start checking them out exclusively.
And there is some evidence to suggest that's a 'yes'... I'm not the tallest... I'm not the strongest... I'm not the youngest... I'm not the fittest... I'm not the most experienced... I'm definitely not advanced level... all in all, plus-size frames, ever since I played the PD+ just after I got properly into tennis - and that's not so long ago - basically, there are a load of good reasons for me to think plus-sizes are worth me exploring/sticking to, and not least as re oomph on my 2hbh and serve, and with reach - or coming in to that strange alien material bespoiling the centre of a tennis court otherwise known as 'the net'.
Anyhow, what I've found with the PC+ is.. how can I put it?... hmm... it's like I'm on deep heavy spinny b-line auto-pilot! :wink: ... the build quality was obvious to me from the first hit... it's very solid and pretty 'plowy' in that RD7, Rad Tour Twin Tube 'crush the ball' kind of a way... and it makes for a truly consistent hit. Additionally, I was lobbing extremely well, for me, anyway.
So, playing tomorrow.. I'll be paying attention to just how 'loggy' I find it... can I get some whip on it?... and, really, can I step it up a notch and really access some decent-ish speed on flat 1sts, and kick on those 2nds (tbh, the kicker has already impressed me with this frame.)
Each gram of lead added to the tip will bring up the SW units by 3. So adding 3g will add 9 units of SW.
You would need to add around 3.5 to 4g of lead to bring the balance up to stock. Not sure if you want to do that as it would take your SW up to 335. Believe it or not, you'll really feel the 3g of lead at the tip. It has the most bang for your buck there.
Yeah I have a feeling that I am going to keep it as is. What I love about the 18x20 in a mid is string breakage during a match is not nearly as common.
Thakns though, I am horrible at all calculations of any kind.
Im not so sure this is right as 1g may add 3 pts but the 2nd gram Will add more and the third even more. There's a good site that gives you an idea of how it affects SW. I Will post it when the wife gets off Facebook!
EDIT....sorry PED it seems you are pretty much right.
Ok, the ProStock with the leather grip and wilson pallet has a different feel. It is real easy to bring around and rips the ball. It is pretty hard to gauge if it is a different layup, but it feels like it flexes more in the head..I am not sure because the string tension is a lot lower then I am used to. The difference in power is substantial between the 2 sticks due to this.
Honestly, it is pretty confusing as to what is best, but I am thinking the TGK string setup could be tweaked and it is the way to go.
Plusses..ultra heavy shots with massive topspin can be hit with a relaxed swing. Rally good ball pocketing..balls sound substantially louder when I hit with this stick.
Minuses..not a lot of feel on lobs..I can't keep them in. slices are a bit trickier to nail, but I started locking them in..comes with practice.
I am thinking the string job is low 40s..so the happy medium could be 48 or 50#s. Regardless, the racquet really crushes and comes around nice and easy.
Interesting thing..the feel reminds me of a Dunlop 300 on steroids. Maybe because my Dunlop was strung low and had a leather grip. Difference is this stick is more solid and requires far less energy to hit a very heavy ball. The control seems to be there as well. It does not feel as stable on volleys though, basically is twisting a little..I am wondering if this is the balance and slightly lighter weight coming into play.
I think the crossroads here is how do I want to play. I am not totally confident yet hitting with the tension this low, but I hit well. The ball is far heavier and I can put all kinds of spins on it. I get the nice kicking bounce to the side that really jams people. Relaxed 80% balls are very accurate and clean winners, but I still get a little tentative in points..at the same time I am working past that and seeing the light as well. If I can get the tension up to 50 or so maybe that is the way to go. I also think I will string the regular prestige 2 pounds higher so I have the option for control if I need it in a match. In a way, it is cool that the sticks are just a little off because I can use the Retail as my control stick if I cant get things going with the TGK one day for some reason.
Just finished extensive play testing including 6.1 95, IGSP, PST, IGSMP, Donnay X Red among others!
I've decided to order the IGSP frames as they are what I hit best with, I love this frame as it has some of the crisp stiffness I like in a frame. Nice stock weight too.
I did like the PST but thought it felt like a baby Pure Drive, it has a similar feel and was only marginally quicker in the swing, the PsT has a fair amount of pop though. Even though the IGSP is heavier than the PST it feels like it swings quicker, perhaps symptomatic of it's 18mm beam. The IGSP has more plough thru than a John Deere tractor.
Having gone through a similar list of demos and having a similar racquet to your old PDR (yt extreme pro) I am intrigued.
I am American, not able to demo the IG speed pro.
I ended up buying a pstgt.
I thought it was a nice lateral move from my extreme, less power but much more CONTROL and COMFORT.
How does your IG speed pro compare in these areas?
I would say it is marginally more comfortable than the PD yes. The control is far better with the Speed though, as is the ploughthru and stability on contact.
I liked the PST but the Speed suits me better and has more solid feel. The PST has that traditional Babolat tininess to it, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, I've liked that feel for ages but it's time to move on, the PdR can be too damn lively.
I sawed of 1/4 inch on my k tour, or so I thought. only to realize that now it was to short. but don't worry, if that happens you can add some cardboard shims or whatever you got in the butt cap to add up to about 1/4 in back on.
anyway, I like the control and feel much better with the racket at 27 inches. a longer racket can really feel akward and take alot of time to get used to. not worth it for most folks I'm thinking.
More time spent with the TGK. I really like the specs on the racquet. More headlight and a little lighter makes it easy to swing, but I still get immense power and control. It plays a lot like my pure storm if they were less sluggish and more accurate. It took me a little time to get used to the lower string tension, but now that I have, I think it is the way to go on the mids. I can absolutely wail on the ball with controlled strokes and push around people a little easier then with the retail stick. Some of this is due to string tension though, I know that. The pocketing I get with this tension is so much better. The TGK is definitley a loud stick, just cracks on about every shot.
The feel is not the same as the retail, but I like them both. I am going to string the retail with full poly at a lower tension so I can give a more accurate assessment of it. These are both great racquets..I definitley do not pick up the retail one and think that is a lesser racquet or anything like that.
I am trying to figure out which balance I prefer...it is subtle..seems like it may be easier to slice with the retail, but I could be wrong there.
I strongly suggest you string your sticks lower. After my experience hitting the past few days with the lower tension TGK, I think you should try 50#s. What I notice with full poly in the prestige at 55 or higher is that while you have great control, you can easily lose it when hitting out because you will swing so hard. It can become tedious to be in a rally with someone who is not giving you pace.
It will take about 2 hitting sessions to be used to the higher trajectory, but it will really help you control your angles aganst pushers. I am back to hitting running forehands across court like I hit with the pstgt.
Basically with the TGK at low tension, I have a pure storm tour with even more control in a smaller head..it's great. Really is helping me with serving as well.
I really found this to be especially true, I enjoyed it more against really big hitters, the control was nice but against no pace hitters, I felt like I couldn't make the most of it.
Yes and the full poly has helped me as well against bigger hitters, but big hitters are my preference to hit against, provided I am moving well that day.
I should add in my uneducated opinion that I do not believe the TGK has different materials than the retail, but I definitely believe the layup of the materials was done differently, so I am getting different flex. It seems to give me more controllable power. I will keep the TGK specced as is as long as I like it, and just string both the retail and TGK at the same tensions to see what specs I prefer the most.
Thanks for the input re the string tension on the mid. I think that I will have to step my way down to the lower tensions. I've been hitting at 60 lbs for so long that I think that if I make a drastic change it will completely throw my game off. My next round of stringing will see all of my frames strung 55lbs. I think that is enough of a change to see how the lower tensions will play for me and to allow me to see how well I will adjust and If I want to go lower.
My main concerns are that I will lose end up hitting a more loopy ball than I am accustomed to. I like to hit a lower driving ball with lots of pace but I am thinking that the lower tension will let me hit a little higher ball and control the depth with topspin.
I know that you have more experience hitting with heavier spin, do you think that this will be able to be balanced? I'm still hitting the SW grip but have found my driving point with it and my topspin point with it but I don't know that I will be able to keep the driving shot at the lower tension.
I'm also worried a little bit about the string life going to a lower tension. But I'm still going to experiment and see what happens.
Yes the first 2 days or so you will be hitting higher than you want, but you will be able to adjust down. I don't think full poly at 55#s is going to be enough, I'd try 50#s..just do it on one stick at first so if you have your old options. You just have to keep hitting you will see what I am saying..first few strokes may freak you out a little, and then you will start to get the feel for it and really like it once your stroke adjusts.
The string life is going to be far better actually. Poly is really meant to be strung lower and the only reason some pros go higher is because they can switch out so much. Your poly should be lasting a lot longer at lower tensions.
The Black Magic in the 40s feels amazing, and the playbility is really good. I never really was a fan of Black Magic, but in the Prestige it is perfect.
I was watching Stanford vs UCLA in person today. Total YT Prestige fest, couldnt tell if they were mid, pro or mp. One Asian dude looked like he was GOATing a mid. Stanford dudes had some sick black and red elite socks too. No GHOATs.
Mostly Storms and 6.1s out there as well for UCLA.
Surprised I didnt see any pds or ApDs. One dude had an OS LM radical.
Was getting major prestige paintjob envy.
Super fun to watch.
A good session on Friday, and I still seem to be in the same boat... I'm finding the PC+ Swirly a bit heftyish at times (and it was more noticable because of the sun and heat), but, rather like some totally inappropriate women who despite knowing you're going to be caused no end of trouble, her, um, 'assets' are proving just too irresistable. :twisted:
Ahem... so... and it's nothing to do with the classy, pretty much perfect Prestige Pro being not good enough in any way, but I'm just becoming hooked on that PC+ Swirl... maaaan, she sure knows what she's doing in the backcourt!... :grin:
Ross, now is the time to get that early prep down..chin on shoulder, full body turned before the bounce and see how your backhand is working with the swirly. You have to be able to do this everytime in the hot summer before you will know for sure if this is the stick for you.
More observations on the Prestige..retail is now restrung at lower tensions with full poly. It feels more brassy then the TGK. They both have a great feel, but I feel much more connected to the my shots with the TGK, even though it has silicone in the handle. They both serve great, but the TGK has insane controllable power. I really wish I knew more about the flexpoints in this layup because it is almost unfair how hard you can hit with this stick while retaining control in a lighter stick than retail.
I also am realizing that Black Magic string is absolutely awesome in the prestige.
I do not hit as consistently heavy with the retail, but have no problems moving the ball around the court as I always have. They both serve better than any stick I have owned. I could not really pick a preference in that department.
I hit for 3 hours yesterday and 2 today. No issues with sliggishness. my backhand is dialed in with the prestiges, and I do not think the 90 affects my 2hander in a bad way. I can hit DTL as accurate as with the PST, and maybe even carve out better angles as well.
PP did you drop into the 40s on your pmids yet?
PP...you got any lines on more of those 237.3s? You are making me insanely jealous here.
Haha..I wish I had doubles of mine to be honest. They are all different, and I am not sure how many layups you can get. But it makes a huge difference in terms of where the stick is flexing. Thank god these things are 18x20 so I can get away with just 1 and the retail.
Yes, both mids are in the mid to upper 40s. The pocketing is insane onthe TGK with black magic. Once that string breaks, I will put in a different poly so I can find out of the BM is causing this amazing feel or if it is the frame layup.
Well, I can tell you now that my 2hbh LOVES the PC+
Basically, I sense I'm pretty much at my limit re the heft, but - and until I have one of those days where I just know it's TOO MUCH for me - I'm going to keep playing this. The way I just click instantly into heavy spinny b-line mode with this rack; the solid, rich, crunchy feel; and that Bab grip shape also... yep, I'm giving it longer.
That said, aware that the heft could prove to be the undoing for me and this frame, I had a brief look at modded up PD+ on Friday too (modded up in butt and @ 3 & 9 to around 340g, I think it was)... no qsn I found it easier to get around... I found the power uncontrollable a few times, and the feel was definitely a runner up to the PC+. However, if I do go with XL frames (and I'm really still enjoying this aspect), and the PC+ is indeed too bulky, the PD+ (specially with this weighting/balance) is a strong contender. Moreover, it actually fulfilled a very interesting criteria for me in that it can be described as being both whippy and XL (for me, the PC+ is more tank-like and plowy.)
Well, I finally had a chance to go out (or rather in) and hit with my two newest demos today--the Prince O3 White and the Volkl PB8 295. I picked both up for low prices so I figured not much was lost trying out two frames that I had never hit with before. Stringing them up and bouncing balls around with them I thought I was going to like the Prince more. Nope.
The O3 was strung with a PHT/MSV Hex hybrid at 62 lbs, my usual poly tension. Even with the strings that tight the balls were flying on me all day. Maybe I just needed time to get used to the rounded grip, but maybe the stick just had too much pop for my game. I tried to dial it back and keep the ball in play, which I could, but when I was forced to really go for shots and hit out everything went long. Serving was pretty easy--90% effort got the job done with good results--and volleys were great. The feel of the frame was typical Prince plush, which I am a huge fan of. It's flex rating of 65 is just aout how it plays. While the balance was still 4 pts HL, it just felt more head heavy than that. I fear this one is just too much of a cannon for me. Does anyone want to buy an O3 White in a 5/8 grip? It comes prestrung with PHT/MSV!!!
The Volkl PB8 295, however, I liked a lot! I had strung it with SPPP at 60 lbs, the maximum recommended tension, and added 0.5g of lead at 10 and 2 and another 4 in the throat. With an overgrip and dampener, the balance was 5 pts HL. This frame was very maneuverable and was good (but not great) at everything in my hand. Serves? Good...with good spin. Groundies? Good, even BHs. Volleys? Eh. It needed more mass to be a good volleying stick. The light weight also prevented big forehands from feeling super-solid and returns of big serves from being super-stable. Maybe with some lead under the grip counterbalanced with another couple of grams in the hoop this would improve. I also bet I would like the heavier PB8 315, but I didn't want to pay that much for an extended demo. I thought the frame had just about the right amount of plushness for me. Maybe some call it "feel." It wasn't as pillowy as Princes, but it didn't feel like a 2x4 like Babolats. I think it's just softer than a HEAD Extreme. This is surprising because its RDC flex is 69! No way it plays that stiff! I was once again reminded just how much I love SPPP. It feels so soft and lush. I wish it came in more colors.
So I ask you, fellow Racketaholics, what is the next frame I should try out? I like Pure Drives and Aero Pros for their balance and crazy spin, but wish they had more feel. I love the YT Extreme MP (with added lead), but still think it feels a little hollow. I liked the PB8 295 for its buttery feel, but thought it could use a little more spin generation and weight. Strangely, I also love the Ozone Tour. HEAD Speed MPs are OK. I have a TFlash 315 on the way that I grabbed barely used for cheap. Didn't like Radicals (HH), Prestiges and 6.1's (not man enough), or Dunlops (head shape).
Should it be a Wilson BLX Pro Open? Or how about a new HEAD Iggy Pro? Surely not a Prince EXO3 Black, right? Perhaps a Volkl Organix 8? Which Yonex would be right for me?
Do you have an idea of what specs you like? You are all over the place in terms of racquets...I have switched my fair share of frames, but narrowed it down to what I really like in terms of specs and weight.
I'm starting to think the answer to any racquetaholic who likes more classic sticks is to get either a Prestige mid/midplus or pro (lower SW, higher static Weight, crisper feel) or a BLX 90 or 95 (higher SW, more muted feel).
This satisfies the need for amazing feel and playability and is a stik you can grow into. Also are based on models that will not be discontinued in the near future.
If you are more into bigger heads and baseline play only, go with the classics again. Babolat apdc, Roddick PD, or Pure storm (if you are lucky enough to get a pure control like Ross, then go for that). Add the ever classic Head Radical to the list and there we go...a great demo list that helps you really figure out what you need.
Most of the frames I've hit with fall within these spec ranges:
Static weight: 320-330
Swing weight: 315-335
Balance: 5-8 pts HL
Flex: > 58
Head size: 95-100
I am not skilled enough to play well with Prestiges. I had a PP for a while and did not have the power/technique necessary to get both spin and pace on my shots. Believe me, I gave it plenty of chances. I tried going low on tension, multi's and even poly/gut hybrids. Too much stick for me. I used to play with a 6.1 years ago, and it was right for me at the time, but I can't get it around fast enough any more. Though I'm only 32, I don't play every day, so I can't recondition myself into my teenage tennis shape. I've reconciled that I'm solidly in Tweener Land. I sold my Pure Drives a few months back because I was going from a 1/2 back to a 5/8 grip size and I'm kinda regretting parting ways with them. I played very well with them, but had to keep the strings fresh and the elbow medicated. I continue to like my Aero Pro, but wish it was a little softer, too. If Babolat made a Pure Drive with a 65 flex I'd be all over it. I'm curious about the Pure Storm, but think it might be too evenly balanced for me. The Organix 8 looks good on paper--a buttery Babolat clone, but the TT community's verdict is still out on it.
Im a little older then you, but I use the prestige. That being said, it took me a good year of conditioning to get back into real tennis shape. And plus, I'm pretty strong for my size, and I had to take that into account, especially after I got a pure drive and it felt like a feather.
You would probably love the Tfight 320 if you have not used one yet. Best tweener stick I have used. The second would be the Pure Drive Roddick. Babolat is the tweener king..may as well stick with them if you want to go that route because they specialize in them. If you want to go alternative, the Tfight is a worthy frame. Babs and Tecs are being used on the tour with their retail layups, and just modified with lead and some silicone, so that has to count for something.
Just saw you used the PD, but did you use the roddick? Because that is a far superior stick IMO.
The PSTGT is the best modern Bab along with the PDR IMO. It is going to be a little heavy, but easier on the arm. I think Ross has the best Babs ever. The original apd and the pure control. And that makes him a big fat jerk for having so many awesome sticks. haha. j/k Ross.
Tough call Ret. Bab pstgt is right in between prestige mp and 6.1 95. Pretty much a players stick but it has good forgiveness.
Prince black is very similar to 03 white, but it has more POP. I wouldn't go there.
YT extreme pro is very similar to PDR. The Iggy pro is easier to swing, but pretty gnarly stiffness.
Seems we have similar tastes...couple racs I've wanted to try but haven't: Head Instinct and Prince Diablo Mp. Might be worth a shot?
Watching Stanford play and reading PPs posts has me fiending for a prestige but I'm resisting!
It ain't easy being a racaholic.
I resisted for over a year before crumbling. It's a Prestige...I think at a certain point we all go for one.
I guess the IG Speed 16x19 you already have doesn't do it for you? Fun stick, that. I've been offered one in a trade and will probably pull the trigger, as it was one of my favorite new releases of the year and I wouldn't mind dabbling with it further. I also think the BLX Pro Open is worth trying for you - easy to swing, rips serves, a pretty underrated or under-discussed stick. Much better than the BLX Blade 98, IMO.
By the way, PP, my Prestige Mid is at the shop getting strung at 50 lbs after your posts about the lower poly tensions pocketing the ball better and providing a different feel intrigued me enough. Had pretty much put the Prestige on the sidelines of late (but couldn't bring myself to sell, for it is such a sweet stick when you're switched on) but your discussion got me thinking about how I hadn't experimented with lower tension at all. Have always had Volkl Cyclone at 57-58 in there from the get-go and never wavered from that. Anyway, had an extra set of Genesis Spin X Silver laying around from a past trade (have never tried this string) so I thought I'd give it a .. spin. Will update later in the week when I get it back and get to swinging.
Gads, so far Black Magic is the best feeling poly I have had in the prestige. Low 50s/high 40s. Lets see how the Spin X feels since that is somewhat similar.
I was super close to getting an mp awhile back, but I got the delpo stick, sold it, swore off 18x20 and started extreminating...I remember liking it better than the pro or mid.
Gah. I need a beer.
That Delpo stick was kinda weird to me. Pattern was EXTREMELY dense. Some loved it, though.
In other news, I think, THINK, I'm ready to put the Dunlop 200L in the FS section. Pretty sweet stick, really can't come up with a fault, even, just something about it isn't quite wowing me like it did during my impulse buy at IW. I think Confucius might have once said something like "Racaholic must abstain from decision within desert heat," but I'd need RossK to confirm.
Got some beer (GHOATing nano grey at trader joe's btw).
Neglected to mention I played 5 sets of tennis today with the pstgt (hyperion 1.18 @55) and it is a superb rac. FH and serve really really good.
Still kind of want a prestige though.
If you like a quality build, solid, easy to get about, great string-bed feel, control-orientated, slightly leaning towards all court, clean hitting, medium spinny, beautiful pj frame, the Prestige Pro is numero uno IMO.
TBH Fed, I found the PSTGT to actually play pretty similarly in general terms to the PP. For me though, the PP is the better frame.:wink:
You've described the YTPP and my playing style so well.
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