Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Ross K, Sep 11, 2010.
^^Thanks, I was afraid of that.
I probably should try the IG Rad MP but don't really want an 18X20.
Few weeks ago I put Poly Tour Pro in my Mac Volkl frame and made the mistake of stringing too high, as it robbed all of the feel from the frame. Lesson: low tension for PTP, as it's a pretty stiff string apparently.
Its time for the 95d baby!
PP, just out of curiousity, with all the love for the rdis200, do you still have your PD+/PDRs in storage or did you sell them?
Sold. I can't use stiff racquets anymore .
Prestige S doesn't play anything like the Radical Pro in my experience. A lot more pop with the Radical Pro and it seemed more solid. Tried the Prestige S at the same time as the ProStaff 95. ProStaff was much better in every way.
Thanks for the feedback. I hit with the S today and was pleasantly surprised, u are right that the power is lower than the rad pro but I felt like I could hit a flatter driving ball with it. Stood right up on the plate and took it hyper early.
I have one more day with my demo so looking forward to it. Tried lead at 12 and also at 10/2 but liked the stock setup best. Would love to try low tension tour bite in there. May pick one up as a project. My demo was 328g witha dampener but it feels much more solid, more like a 340g stick.
The racquet head speed is insane on the S.
The Prestige S is definitely designed for fast swing speeds. Its too low powered to just use a medium paced swing. I also found it not very forgiving if you are slightly off center. It could be a good stick though with the right fit.
You are not alone in wanting a Rad Pro with Rad MP weight and balance. I never you understood why the friendlier MP was the closed pattern one of the two. Doesn't make sense to me. Usually the heavier models are the closed pattern ones. I think a 16 x 19 Rad MP would be a big seller.
Its called history and tradition and they're reluctant to tamper with establised lines, but yes they wouldn't do that today.
Has to be strung low imo and its good to go from the off, lasts very well, super string. I after with pp the yellow its quite remarkable. I've got it around 44lbs in the 89t would keep it the same in a 95"
Anyways time for a change, my Yonex is great if I play aggressive ask the time but I have noticed a drop off in my defensive qualities, bumping returns for instance and that special something on the run in no mans land. The bb legend was special here and I miss that. I have also come to realise that I'm better with thinner aero frames than bulkier squarer frames, when my volkl dnx mids were 375g they still felt so manoeuvrable.
So is it back to the Becker, back to my dnx mid, back to the new angell, all trusted sticks and accept that I'm already close to Nirvana or should I move on into unchartered racketaholic territory?
i say to hell with it, you only live once, throw caution to the wind, let the cards fall as they may - unchartered territory beckons you!
Go to a wood racket and forget about graphite and new technology.:shock:
What was the story with the DNX Mid? Why'd you give it up? I seem to recall you absolutely loving that stick.
I pulled the pin and ordered a prestige S today. Worth a shot, going with full tour bite at 46/44. Can't believe the things only weight 328g as it feels much more solid.
The s feels like it bites earlier in the stroke vs my rad pro and I can take it on earlier. Rad pro works great and I'm going to hold into mine just in case......
You are right though, the radical mp balance with the open pattern would be nirvana.
I just keep making it work with my 200. Figured out how to mod and how to string it. It is a racquet that improves my concisistency on every shot, so its hard to find fault. Add that ptp in there and it plays really well.
Megs I would keep those 89s around..they sounded like they'd be the match for you.
Added 3 grams of blutak to the iniside of the butt cap of the ig rad pro for the manoeuvrability.
Haha yeah, oversize thick beamed tweener it is then
that's the easy option!
Gads I can honestly say that this stick is the grail for me, I'm on the look out again, not easy to find over here, trying to get my two back but the buyer on the bay has four and wants to keep them. The best thing was you got all the benefits of a heavy racket yet they move thro the air so smoothly. Thee pb10 mid was just too dampened, also on the lookout for the 98 version too. Tbh I actually got 't.mavved', I was thinking of the new season and playing against better players more often and I kinda persuaded myself that I needed more forgiveness, the Becker legend gave me that but I lost a little faith in my volley and bh. In the meantime id sold them to fund my addiction.
Pp they are and if I stay aggressive I'm completely on it but sadly I can't maintain that level of aggression as I'm old ha and the Yonex don't have the manoeuvrability I need for the weight I want in a stick.
So this winter I will return to the dnx mid, I will trial the angell and try out a thin beamed 98.
+ 1 on the Return to the Prince Exo3 Tour 100s. I was having some arm issues with my Head 315's and just as a quick test I restrung my Princes and within a few days my arm and elbow settled down. They really are a fantastic frame. I have been using Prince Beast XP 17g which really suits this frame. Anyone else tried this setup?
That stinks. Certainly been in that racaholic conundrum before myself, where you sold a stick that you then want back.
Nice to see some of you folks returning to the prince. It is such a nice frame..just grabs your attention off the first hit. I really hope more companies like head and prince continue to make sticks in the lower 60s in flex. There are just so many advantages to them and they are much better on the body.
Kind of shocked with the ped switch..that must be a heck of a change in power coming from the radical.
Yeah, I've been thinking about revisiting the EXO3 Tour for some time now. I have one with new strings (Beast full bed), but it's been sitting in the closet for a while. Might take it out for a hit soon.
Also super stoked about the new (old) Angell frames. I pre-ordered a TC95 18x20 (leather) as well as the TC100 (PU grip), both as 63RA. I'm interested in how the TC100 compares to the stiffer Pure Drive and I figure the 95 will be a nice, smooth change from my Yonex 89. FYI, according to Paul a TC90 will return soon to the lineup (there's also a hint in the TC105 description).
Otherwise I'm still going back and forth between the PD and YY89. By now I've become so accustomed to both frames that I can switch between them basically without adjustment, lol.
I agree about PED. I hope it works for him, but I don't know anyone's that tried the Prestige S and stayed with it. Even Jason from TW said he was switching to it, but a few weeks later he dropped it due to the lack of power.
I looked up the specs on that S.....
They look great, remind me of the spec sheet for the Dunlop MW200G. Only the MW was a little heavier and 18x20. Sounds like a winner, I always tended to like a heavy racquet with a lower swingweight before I switched to an extended.
Greetings fellow racketaholic tennis bums and diarists of the world!
Interesting to catch up. I've been "out of commission" as it were for a bit but will hopefully get back to playing again soonish. Anyhow...
klem - Well, forgive me while I party like it's 1999, but I think it's great that one of our ranks is wielding this class Prince frame. Swings just lovely. A real spin monster. Lovely soft flex (if that's what floats your noodle.) Unfortunately it didn't quite suit me for the simple reason that... (excuse me while I get into some tricky-like technical language here)... the ball kept coming back to me.
PED - What kind of specs are you now looking for then - both SW and static? Anything aside from the Prestige S making you a bit curious?
Meags - You know I really rated the DNX mid too. Something rather smooth, slick, dynamic and, well, special about it it. I actually gave mine away to a mate for his birthday. :shock:
Everyone - Hit me with your string recommendations! What have you used in the last month or so that really impressed you? I'll be splurging shortly on new stock, so... anything really rocked your worlds here gentlemen? What didi you enjoy so much about the string's performance?
I thought the same thing until I actually played with it
One of my regular hitting partners had all his rackets (plus his childrens' rackets and his son's golf clubs) stolen from his car. Not only is he furious he is trying to work out what racket to buy. He had been playing with the latest Speed Pro. This is a superb racket, not available in the US I think, but it is heavy and he found it difficult to hit a topspin backhand under pressure with it. But defensive slice was very impressive. He also had one of the other Speed range rackets which, though a good stick and lighter for defensive purposes, didn't quite bully the ball in the same way that the Speed Pro did. He also had a couple of KFactor 95s that he didn't like as well.
Since the rackets were taken he has been playing with a couple of mine - the latest PDR and some of the older Prince Rebels. He loves the PDR's power but bemoans the lack of control. He likes the Rebel but would prefer a more open pattern.
Does anyone have any views on what might work for him? He could just buy another Speed Pro or two but they are very expensive and he will still have the issue about his backhand. I had thought that the Donnay Pro One 16x18 might work - a good mix of power and control. What do you think?
Hey guys... I'm back rofl. As much as I love the precision and heft of the Diablo, I think I need something lighter.
I was hitting with a IGSpeed 315 and it felt great. A great deal lighter and with a pretty good amount of stability to it. I'd probably add some lead here and there, but no more them four grams.
Anything you guys would recommend with similar specs?
The famous 315's or sticks that you think I have to try? if 100+ I'd go 18x20.
IG Rad Pro? The flex gives it more control, but it still hits pretty deep very easily..
I really dig the Speed 315 sticks. They swing super easy, have pop but aren't too too powerful. Just really easy to play with.
Good idea. What is the "true" head size on the Radicals? The general view is that the Prestige 98 is really a 95 and that the 93 is an 89. Does the same "downsizing" apply to the Rads?
Pretty sure they're 95s.
Yep, I'm comparing a YT Prestige MP and an IG Radical Pro right now, and the head sizes are basically identical. (The Rad Pro looks ever so slightly wider, but it might just be the beam shape throwing me off - certainly not a 3 square inch difference.) I've read that the YT Radical Pro actually did have a larger head, but the Radical MPs are definitely the same size as the Prestiges.
I'd say just work off feel. You won't know how a certain racket will feel just because of its headsize. Some rackets have huge sweetspots for their size and vice versa.
Gads, I will confidently suggest you try some low tension full poly if you ever get a wild hair. The reason I mention this is because I have been compacting my strokes a little to improve consistency and this setup is incredibly awesome if you like to do this and hit with big spin. I was out there today just hammering the ball around, but the best part is how a real compact stroke just seems to move the ball around at will, and then when you get the right ball you can set your feet and hit a big winner.
I would suggest 40#s..anything much higher than 42#s just loses the magic for me.
I would have to say the IG Speed 315's are my fave stick to hit with but sometimes my arm comes up a little tender after a longish session. Other recommendations would be the Prince Exo Tour 100 16 x 18 or 18 x 20. These frames are 100sq in head size and really offer the user some incredible spin and control. They play very soft (57ra) and it takes maybe a couple of hits to get used to the unique feel off the string bed.
Goatish sticks I sold for no good reason:
Yt extreme pro
I would happily return to any of them...just dont have the energy.
95D is goatier than even the mighty PSTgt to me. The main reason is how heavy it plays for not being super heavy. It hits like a thundering log of doom. Too bad my arm hated it, but I loved the thing.
The tec 320 is mighty close...well until I got my 200s. The 200 is basically the tec 320 perfected with no weaknesses. The 320 does have one of the goatiest PJs ever, but that is low on my list of priorities.
Did you feel you ever feel like the swingweight is not enough PP? Coming from a bunch of rackets in the 340-360 area, I'm kind a bit afraid of it feeling flimsy, but I'm sure I'l lget used to it. The lighter weight will really help me out in terms of endurance.
I've been looking at both the 320 and the pstgt. I should demo all 3 lol
allow me to answer....
yes you will be GOATing all over the place with this racquet. Its the GOAT of
all flexy racquets and I have been GOATing on the court ever since I started using it and you will be GOATING like crazy with it. The lighter weight will allow you to GOAT in your long 3 set matches and its not flimsy at all...it's the GOAT of 340 gram racquets and the stability is GOATiest of all. ;-)
too many goats. I better get some GOAT cheese out of this post.
jackb1, that was a real smartass and uncalled for comment. given that you change racquets every few days, someone who has played with ONE racquet for several months can give a more realistic and indepth review than some one who changes racquets so often.
i dont post often but apart from my classic head racquets, i have been playing the rdis200 for almost 10 months now and if you are looking for a spin friendly, control orientated players stick with tweener forgiveness and great feel, its just a really solid option. no need to take the **** out of it
settle down pal, it was a joke as noted by the winky ;-). And I guess you didn't notice the ridiculous, over the top sarcasm either huh?
it seems that folks in this forum love to drop the "GOAT card" every chance they can. I was merely poking fun at that recent trend and was obviously not reviewing or recommending anything here. Although I have tried the 200 a long time ago and liked it quite a lot, I did not jive with the funny Yonex headshape and the straight buttcap (no flare).
BTW, the TW racquet reviewers literally try different racquets every few days and that doesn't make their opinions less valuable to me or anyone else. The more variety of racquets you have tried, the more you can explain the differences and similarities.
They are all honestly awesome sticks. In very much the same class. demoing them all would be a nice idea.
It is hard to describe the swingweight with the yy though. It is a racquet that really rewards timing more than most. I think it has to do with the way they designed the flex. They say it snaps power back into the shot..yada yada, but i actually think it does work and allows you to hit extremely hard if you are relaxed and hitting the ball out in front. All racquets do, but the trait is pronounced in the 200. And because of that, i keep the sw at stock and am very happy. I had a pdr at a sw in the 340s prior. You can definitley experiment, but in my lead tests i found lead at 12 best. Many of us who had it at first thought it neede lead, but the more time you spend with it, you realize it does not. Moral of the story is spend some time with the 200.
The pstgt is a stick that feels awesome and you know what its about rather fast. I was not super thrilled with it on serve, and it is not the spin stick that the other 2 are. It is still in my all time top 5 with the 200, 7g, pdr, and apdc.
The 320 would fall right outside the top 5 for me, as i have a lot of love for it.
Jack if you look at the picture of my 200 i flared the handle out..its super easy. Id do it on the donnays too..i remember they had no major flare either.
Arrow, great description of the 200... Very very holicy..welcome.
In celebration and in paying due respect to Muzza being the first Brit to win a Grand Slam since 1066 AD or whenever it was, I suggest that we all eat a bowl of porridge, down a wee dram of whiskey, get the Braveheart DVD ready to watch, bare our pumped up guns, and hit the courts today wearing a kilt!
I already do this most mornings.
A special day, Rossy Boy. Congrats. I can't believe I actually called it -- back in January, I predicted the year would go Djoker Aussie, Rafa French, Roger Wimby and Muzza US Open, and I've spent the last 20 minutes or so trying to find that that post to prove it (can't recall what the thread was) but have yet to track it down...
Watched the final at a park that had the match up on a big screen, and had the pleasure of watching it beside a couple of Scots. Was fun to share in their joy. Officially a Big 4 now. And what a remarkable, simply stupendous Big 4, indeed. We are in a Golden Age of the men's game.
Honestly, I've played with most versions of the pst, but it never had a string set up i enjoyed in it. My results always came off as super boardy and low powered. I just a soft multi in there and i'd probably be happy. Swung a little more sluggish then I would have liked. Couldn't quite put my finger on it and couldn't dial in completely, but I've never play tested it thoroughly.
I'm more of a tight stringer, I prefer synthetics/multis 56+ and usually like my poly at 54+. I'm hoping the 200 will shine for me with these tensions. I'm working on a more consistent stroke with a great amount of spin recently and I've been making slight progress. I'm hoping the 200 is something I can settle on while I rework my game, technique and fitness.
Glad Andy did it. And that I didn't have to go to work this morning. Though I have to say: please never let the woman doing the on-court interviews near a tennis player ever again.
^pressure is off Andy now. he definitely knows how to play the wind.
both the men's and women's US Open final did NOT disappoint.
I predicted Murray to win the US mainly because of how much more he attacks now. He had some moments of backhand mastery where he was just clobbering the ball like I have not seen from him. This is really great stuff because to wear out Djoker on hardcourt is the ultimate victory. So now we have all 4 guys playing at an elite level and it's a guarantee the final 4 of every major will be utterly insane to watch. Anyway, congrats to Murray, it is really nice to see a guy from the UK deliver and end the misery. I can only imagine what that country is like right now, I hope people went utterly insane.
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