Diary of a Racketaholic

Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Ross K, Sep 11, 2010.

  1. PED

    PED Legend

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2007
    Messages:
    5,339
    Tour bite is an excellent string and it really grabs the ball; I've used it since October.

    I've never had any arm issues in my years of playing with PHT, Alu, etc but my shoulder has continually bothered me on and off since moving to TB last year.....

    I'm going to retry PL2 since TW has a great deal on it now, only $6 a set. It's a bit softer so we'll see.
     
  2. Power Player

    Power Player Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2008
    Messages:
    20,200
    Location:
    On my iPhone
    I have some Solinco Outlast that I am going to try soon so I will keep you guys posted on that.

    And yes, it's pretty wild how the youtek prestige is a fairly heavier than the classic. Threw me off a little, since I expected them to be the same.
     
  3. JGads

    JGads Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2010
    Messages:
    4,343
    PP,

    Have you tried the Prestige MP before? In my experience it's a totally different animal than the Mid. I bought both, played with both for two months, had to sell the MP because it just didn't have the same balance magic, feel (even brassier than the Mid to me) and plow. Serves bombs, yes, but my groundies weren't in the same ballpark as the Mid. The Ace, to me, is by contrast very much in the Prestige Mid ballpark in terms of overall feel, sweet balance, control, plow, etc.

    Don't mean to throw a wrench in your plan, just relaying my own experience. Just couldn't make the MP work for me.
     
  4. Power Player

    Power Player Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2008
    Messages:
    20,200
    Location:
    On my iPhone
    Interesting..no I have not tried it. I usually can grab one for a free ride for a few days so when I get a chance I will do it.

    The TGK spoiled me with the fact that it is a little lighter and hits heavier than the retail. Specs out real close to the MP after OG and dampener. They all hit great so far. I just need 2 of the same of something and I will be good. The balance of the TGK is just a little too HL or it would be perfect, but I can fix that.

    You are saying that even though the MP is 7 points HL like mid, it is different eh? I can see that. I actually do not mind the feel of the retail mid. there is something about it that works for me when I hit clean. All the prestiges have the best sweet spot of any stick.

    The fine tuning is tougher to me then picking between say a babolat and a wilson or something like that. There are little specs I want tweaked and the MP's specs match very close to a pro stock (since you can add lead to it).

    Ill be honest for me, the big thing for me is serves when I buy a racquet. Usually the groundies dial themselves in within a week as long as they are in my window of Spec. If a racquet is tough to serve with, and you can't make it better over time, usually you are going to have some trouble. With groundstrokes, I adjust tension on the strings and I am usually good to go as long as I like the feel and balance of the stick and it is not too powerful.

    I am still interested in the Black Ace, but if I can stick with the prestige line as originally planned, I will be happy.
     
    Last edited: Apr 11, 2011
  5. Ross K

    Ross K Legend

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2006
    Messages:
    8,232
    I never knew this was the case:shock: ... wo... not good me thinks... not good at all.:(


    R
     
  6. PED

    PED Legend

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2007
    Messages:
    5,339
    Hopefully, it's just specific to me. String is so personal in what people like as well as how it effects their arms/shoulders.

    I'm getting pl2 put in today so we'll be able to see.

    I've never had any arm problems at all and I've used all the toxic high stiffness strings: I used to love BBO at 58 with no side effects so go figure.
     
  7. Fed Kennedy

    Fed Kennedy Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2008
    Messages:
    4,797
    Location:
    With Roger
    I thought TB was a really high performing string but it did lack a little in the comfort area. It's very crispy and tingy. I like it better in a larger more open stringbed that has a little more give.

    Hyperion is still gc-poat (greatest co-poly) for me. Old reliable. No fuss, no dead feel, no edges wearing off, no overnight transformation into lifeless board. PL2 is superb at the beginning but the 6 hour falloff is there: it just gets hard and launchy.

    I'm down to 2 sticks looking to sidegrade from my E-pro: PSTGT bone stock and lead fortified YTPP.

    Gonna be a tough call on this one. Spent the weekend moving lead around the ytpp: The PED setup with 3g at 12 seemed to solidify the top of the string bed and give more shape and spin to my shots, however, it did not swing as classically as the 3 and 9 lead. Also, the 3 and 9 seemed to give more power and control on shots where I was really going for it. Really dug the lesser swingweight on the 3 and 9 when serving.

    I found the rac exceedingly spinny in stock and adding lead at 12 seemed overkill in the spin department: I was finding crazy angles but I lost a little of that lazer feeling: could see the ball checking up.

    I think macro said this thing was the GOHBHROAT, I gotta agree, I was whipping up and over shots that I would have to slice with my heavier SW sticks.

    Stick should be hyperionized and freshcapped tomorrow, can't wait.
     
  8. Power Player

    Power Player Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2008
    Messages:
    20,200
    Location:
    On my iPhone
    Ooo..nice little battle here. the pstgt should give you a flatter trajectory. I also found the Prestige Pro too spinny, but in defense of that racquet, I never spent too much time with it. I am much more of tight pattern guy though.

    When you put 3 and 9 on the prestige, what was the balance at? I am guessing 6 pts from 7?

    I wonder if those Stanford guys even mod theirs..I am almost betting they don't..I think they use the MP version..possibly the Mid..did you get a close enough look to see?

    I have been watching some D2 matches here. I don't think these guys lead up at all from the racquets I saw. They definitley care less than us. Lots of them are rocking the prestige MP and Mids now. I am thinking that Head has just taken advantage of the K95 players who did not like the BLX.
     
  9. PED

    PED Legend

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2007
    Messages:
    5,339
    Great summary. I agree with you re pl2 but the $6 price is too tempting right now to not give it another try. I loved pl2 in the apd's but not so much in my ytpp's. Don't really know why. I've dropped my tension a bit to adjust for my less static weight(332g down from 341g).

    Nice writeup on the lead placement too. I think my strokes are so grooved with the lead at 12 that its hard for me to adjust to 3/9, just feels sluggish to me.

    On the PP, lead at 3/9 really helped on the slice and it also helped on half volley shots at the baseline, the stability really lets you put something on what would typically be a defensive shot.

    On PST vs PP, I like the way the PP swings better. That was alway s the knock for my on the pst and the aeropro, I wish they swung a bit more freely but the end result is hard to argue with :)
     
  10. JGads

    JGads Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2010
    Messages:
    4,343
    Yeah, you may find a perfect match with the Prestige MP - I'm just saying for me personally, it didn't match up with the Mid no matter the weight tweaks I tried. In stock form the swingweight was just too low, and with lead I never found anything as sweet as the Mid. Mid just had that 'it' factor, that magic, that the MP never could muster (plus I love the slightly longer handle of the Mid, which feels more natural for me, especially when I go to my two-hander; I hit both). Definitely retains the Prestige Service Bombs, though, so if that's the main thing you're looking for, you'll definitely find it with the MP, too. Good luck with the demo.
     
  11. Fed Kennedy

    Fed Kennedy Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2008
    Messages:
    4,797
    Location:
    With Roger
    The pstgt has no weaknesses as far as I can tell. So far it is a little ahead of the prestige because of the forehand bombs: it's like flat and spin combined into a perfect shooting dropping ball. I can hit these pretty ******* bhs with the prestige which feeds my ego but that forehand is where its at for me. We need hyperion in the prestige to get a real answer.

    RE: Stanford, I really am not sure, all I see is a rack full of prestiges everytime they are in town. They have home matches this week, I will get out there and **** out for sure. I think Klahn and Clayton use 18x20 mp, not sure about Thacher and Lin. It's hard to tell if they lead up because of the caps...I did see some leaded up PDs (long strips 3 and 9). I can't believe they could switch from 6.1 to stock prestiges without lead though, that would shock me.
     
  12. PED

    PED Legend

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2007
    Messages:
    5,339
    PP, this is so true. I wish Head would just take the mid specs and put a bigger hoop on it to create the MP but sadly it's just not true. I tried to create a similar setup on the MGMP a few years back. I still the spreadsheet with all the setups I tried....lol but nothing worked.
     
  13. Fed Kennedy

    Fed Kennedy Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2008
    Messages:
    4,797
    Location:
    With Roger
    I put 3g at 3 and 3g at 9 and 6g of goo in the buttcap, I don't know the exact balance but it should be close to stock, although it feels a tad more hl.
     
  14. Power Player

    Power Player Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2008
    Messages:
    20,200
    Location:
    On my iPhone
    Interesting stuff. Well worst case I hunt down another TGK 237.3, get them matched with synth grip and play tennis.

    Did you guys like the PT630? What got me into Prestiges was actually the PT630 and the Microgel Mid plus from some brief hits. I then added in my desire to try the mid size stick and here I am.

    Good point on the short handle..luckily for me that is not a big deal, but it did stick out to me when I hit with it for a second. The tfight 320 was the same way, and I pretty much just got used to it by wrapping the OG a little higher. It also had that lower SW as well, but did not have the money feel of the prestiges.

    It would be a little bit of a shock to go from the 6.1 to stock prestige MP. I will have to see how it goes, but the 6.1s can get heavy after 2 hours in the heat.

    I usually agree with what you guys are saying, but I will still probably have to just make sure. I know a few guys who hit with the MP love the thing, but they would probably love the Mid as well.

    I feel like I am picking beween hot girls. It is one of those things that you want to happen until it does, and then it becames a slight mindf** until you get it sorted out.
     
  15. Ross K

    Ross K Legend

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2006
    Messages:
    8,232
    What with my shenanigans with the APD>Tec 320>Pres Pro I'm with you on this all the way :) ^... and I've been trying to get it sorted for months here PP!:roll:

    R
     
  16. baseline_monster

    baseline_monster Professional

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2010
    Messages:
    1,142
    Awesome thread Ross! Well, I'm now with the K six one 95's, got a deal for 3, bag and 15 pro overgrips for £85. For such a players stick, theres some huge power and a big sweet spot. Got some redcode and addiction coming this week, see what set up plays best. After using my volkls for a year, do see the benefit of sticking with the same rackets for a long period and I am sticking with these. Still contracted to Tecnifibre though lol!
     
  17. Power Player

    Power Player Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2008
    Messages:
    20,200
    Location:
    On my iPhone
    I just removed my Head calfskin leather and put it in a ziplock bag in case someone wants it or something. As some of you have stated I believe the leather grip, as much as I like it, was killing my hand and possibly the wrist a little as well. Sucks!!!

    The TGK was 12.0 with no Tournagrip (12.2 with). Clean removal of the leather and now the stick is 11.2. So interesting factoid of the day is that the Head leather weighs roughly .8 ozs or 22 grams.

    What did this do to the balance? The TGK is now closer to a balance I prefer..around 5 pts HL which should come to about 6 or 7 when I put on a hydrasorb.

    The SW was 320..what do you think it will be after? I will try and get it measured on an RDC machine after wrapping, but I am guessing the racquet will be 11.9 with OG and a SW around 318 or so. Does this sound about right?

    I also will see what the Midplus SW measures at on the same machine if possible. I am wondering if these 2 sticks are going to now spec out about the same except for the difference in headsize.

    Also, I have the TK57 pallet on this TGK. It is not bad at all, I think I prefer the pallet on the retail more, but they are both fine.
     
    Last edited: Apr 11, 2011
  18. Devilito

    Devilito Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2009
    Messages:
    4,264
    funny same specs as my PS85. 12oz. Removed leather 11.2 then added 2 overgrips 11.6. Balance went a bit more HH but i doubt i'd notice the difference. I figure full 16g poly will add another 1/2oz so 12.1 oz vs 13.1 oz on my KPS88
     
    Last edited: Apr 11, 2011
  19. Fed Kennedy

    Fed Kennedy Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2008
    Messages:
    4,797
    Location:
    With Roger
    Lead under caps...3 inches 2 layers or 6 inches 1 layer...opinions?
     
  20. Devilito

    Devilito Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2009
    Messages:
    4,264
    6" 1 layer. It's not like 6" is going to wrap around your entire racquet. Look at Fed's lead job under his bumper. You want a little bit of distribution. You dont want all your weight in one point anyway. Might actually destabilize the racquet if your weight point is too small
     
  21. Fed Kennedy

    Fed Kennedy Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2008
    Messages:
    4,797
    Location:
    With Roger
    Copy that little devil, we must look to Fed for guidance!
     
  22. Ross K

    Ross K Legend

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2006
    Messages:
    8,232
    BM,

    Long time... cheers for the praise ... although that should be accorded to all the regulars here due to their tireless posting... funny, when I tentatively began this "Diary" I thought I was like, er, "the only rachetaholic in the village" :roll: ... I was certainly wrong on that front, that's for sure... anyhow, sounds like you got yourself a deal there.:wink:

    Actually I never did play the K6.1 95, probably because I was so happy (for a while at any rate) with the N95, and before that the PSC6.1... as we all know, these are serious player's frames/'tanks' (ha, ha) that don't mess about...

    CUE MUSIC... 'YESTERDAY' BY THE BEATLES...

    Why I still recall with great fondness my first few hits with a PSC I bought off my first TT mentor, the Mozart of Talk Tennis circa 2006, the legendary young string-guru and supreme racketaholic aka "nickb", and thinking "Ah, now this is what it's all about!"... plow-through?... CHECK!... granite solidity and stability?... CHECK!... heavy ball??? CHECK!... and as my latest detour and mad month being totally smitten by the oh-so unsuitable Pure Control Plus Swirly (she was always out of my league but I completely lost my mind for a few weeks there :mad: ) goes to show, the effects of that PSC can still impact on me big-time in what I like in a racket.

    MUSIC FADES...

    BTW, I see you you're still with TF... I think if I was paid a visit by Tony Soprano or Stringer Bell (to refer to two of my favorite TV shows EVER) and told to make a decision now on one of APD>PP>TF, you know, that Tec V02 320 might well be my selection... big topspin, lots of x-factor pop, swings very fast and easy... just a bit off for me re feel (as in tinniness/stiffness) and solidness/stability... though artful modding and the right string set up might go a long way to curing certainly the latter... watch this space BM!

    Nice one, geezer!


    R
     
  23. Fed Kennedy

    Fed Kennedy Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2008
    Messages:
    4,797
    Location:
    With Roger
    Now you are speaking my language Ross...what if Avon cornered you? What if Hank Moody cornered you? We wouldn't want to be coming in too light now would we?
    I am one hyperion stringjob away from calling it a day and rolling pstgt all summer long. This ytpp better show me the goods or else I am off to the races with the slightly uglier yet (ahem) more talented (ahem) you know what I mean (cough) babolat.
     
  24. Ross K

    Ross K Legend

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2006
    Messages:
    8,232
    Awaiting news then on your PP test later... I don't know about "talented" or " uglier" but for me the PP still outperforms the PST in just about every area, and not least in how sweet it swings... will post up how it goes for me (tomorrow, I think) with the newly strung TGKPP.

    RE: The Wire, I like this one, Fed - it could kind of apply to all of us here...

    The Wire, and The Sopranos, too, is just so brilliant in an utterly addictive way IMO... and strangely, there's actually a number of Brit actors in key roles through the series/seasons of The Wire (McNulty, Stringer Bell, Carcetti)...



    R
     
  25. Power Player

    Power Player Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2008
    Messages:
    20,200
    Location:
    On my iPhone
    Fed, how much of a PITA is it to pull out the CAPs, lead and replace?

    Is 6 inches of lead per side basically 4 strips of 1.5 grams? I'd do that at 3 and 9 in my TGK.

    I read all these people saying that the MP hits heavy..it fascinates me, since some are PT630 uses who dealt with much higher SWs. I am pretty curious how this is possible, but maybe it is because the static weight is over 12 after OG.
     
  26. weksa

    weksa Rookie

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2010
    Messages:
    244
    Yesterday before I restrung my YTPP, I added 4g lead total (four 4"-long strips of 1/4"-wide lead tape). Each strip started at 12 o'clock and ended somewhere between 10/11, and 1/2.

    Dealing with the CAPs was a pain for me: the tie-off grommets at the head were flared, so I didn't pull out the CAP grommets at those points. I completely pulled up the CAP grommets from 12 to 11/1 with no worries because those grommets weren't flared. At around 10-11 and 1-2, I tried my best to peel up the sides of the CAP and slide in lead tape. Then I had a little nightmare as one of the CAP grommets wasn't going back in; I wondered if I had accidentally pulled out a flared grommet. With the help of a string awl, I was able to guide it back in somehow.

    For you, Power Player, I think it's going to be much more of a pain at 3 and 9...
     
  27. Fed Kennedy

    Fed Kennedy Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2008
    Messages:
    4,797
    Location:
    With Roger
    Well, my current CAPS are blown out, so I'm going with new caps. Grommet replacement is pretty much always a bit of a pain, but it's not like smushing them into a radical or anything like that.
    I have two packs of lead, one is the double heavy bab tape and one is the thinner lighter, I am going to go with 2 six inch strips of the lighter tape on each side of the hoop.
    I'm going under the cap for a stealthier look...bit of a pain, but that's the price for looking cool.
     
  28. Devilito

    Devilito Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2009
    Messages:
    4,264
    expect to replace your grommets when you pull out the old ones. Pulling out old grommets you have a good chances of wrecking them or never being able to get them back in. Don't pull out the old ones until you have new ones in your hand. Also, always have a spare set incase you mess one up. So if you're replacing 3 sets, buy 4 to be safe.
     
  29. Power Player

    Power Player Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2008
    Messages:
    20,200
    Location:
    On my iPhone
    Well thats a slight PITA, but you guys are right, I should buy more grommets anyway.

    Ok slight Mindf**s when i got my sticks today. I now have the hydrasorb on the TGK. I am very glad I made this decision, it feels easier on my hand just to hold the thing. I guess my days of leather are over. anyway, according to the RDC machine, my swingweight is now 322. It was 319 before w/ no tourna. I am wondering if there was some operator error or something...or maybe it is because the balance has changed from about 10 points HL to right around 7-8. It is not a big deal, but I am curious if removing leather can actually ADD SW due to the balance going more to the Head.

    Other mindf** - the MP's SW measured out at --- 302. Yes, a whopping 302 on Sw, which makes me think that there may be some error there somehow. On a dry swing, it does not feel that light, but I guess we shall see how it hits.
     
  30. ryushen21

    ryushen21 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2008
    Messages:
    2,201
    Location:
    wherever you were hoping I wasn't going to be
    302?! That can't be right. I know it didn't swing as heavy as the mid but it can't be that low.

    Re...your tinkering with the MP. I really thought the MP was gonna be the winner when I demoed the Prestiges but it doesn't have that x-factor that the Mid does. I don't know what it is but for me it just wasn't quite as good. Still a great frame though.

    Oh and re my string tension issue. I'm going to have my frames strung up at 52 lbs. this next time around. I think that will give me a good idea of where to go.
     
  31. Ross K

    Ross K Legend

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2006
    Messages:
    8,232
    weksa,

    How does it play though with these mods? What does this lead set up provide for you?

    R
     
  32. Power Player

    Power Player Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2008
    Messages:
    20,200
    Location:
    On my iPhone
    Yes..it sure would be sweet to have a lighter prestige that hits big, but I am also skeptical. I do know that the MP serves huge. It is going up against the TGK, which is a mighty challenge. At first I thought the MP was made light to customize, but the balance and static weight are right at prestige spec.The stick will weigh 12.2 or so after adding an OG and damp. So there is something to be said about being able to get insane racquet head speed going with a 12 oz racquet..we shall see how it works out for me.

    Wanted to add that my old Head Graphite Master (my first forray into the oversize world) is VERY similar to the MP in the sense that it is a lower SW ( i am guessing the Mid plus is really around 312) and a higher static weight.
     
    Last edited: Apr 12, 2011
  33. Ross K

    Ross K Legend

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2006
    Messages:
    8,232
    Hmm, that IG Speed 16X19 looks mighty appealing, yeeeees... like a PP but more spinny and more oomph?... a bit of added length...

    Who else has played it? What's the general view?


    R
     
  34. Power Player

    Power Player Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2008
    Messages:
    20,200
    Location:
    On my iPhone
    I swung it once, and then vomited all over the courts from the lame paint job and balloon headshape.

    But seriously, it did not have the feel of the prestige at all to me on sweetspot hits. I know you will still demo it anyway so I am not going to waste my time getting to in depth about it. lol.
     
  35. JGads

    JGads Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2010
    Messages:
    4,343
    As you know, I'm a fan. A big fan. To speak your language, it has the easy depth, power and spininess of your TFight but isn't quite as stiff and harsh. More the firm but comfortably firm response of a MG Radical. A touch of that extra length means serves and two-handed backhands are easily rippable. Precision isn't always dead on, but you can sort of outpunch your opponent with spin and pace if that's your game. Superb baseline stick. I personally like it far and away more than the Prestige Pro.
     
  36. Ross K

    Ross K Legend

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2006
    Messages:
    8,232
    PP and JG,

    Ah... riiiight... but is it a bit like the Extreme Pro then? If so, it may not quite be my, er, cup of tequila.:)


    R
     
  37. weksa

    weksa Rookie

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2010
    Messages:
    244
    Ross K,

    I found the YTPP in retail form to be decent but a bit lacking compared to my previous racquet, a heavily modded LM Radical MP that I bought used for $20 -- it's got 12g @ 3/9, 4g @ 10/2, and probably lots of weight in the handle because it came out to be 6pts HL.

    I played with the YTPP in stock form for the last 2 months to see how much I could adjust. Slices seemed more difficult to pull off than my LM Rad. I was pretty happy with serves and all other groundstrokes. I found it stable enough that I didn't really need to add lead at 3/9. Because of the time spent with my LM Rad, I've gotten used to the "polarized" feeling. The 4g of lead I added from 10-12 and 12-2 is more or less counterbalanced by the overgrip I have added on top of the original leather grip.

    My first time using the modded YTPP two days ago was a significant improvement. Everything -- flat + kick serves, FH, 1HBH slice, recently converted to 2HBH from 1HBH -- was better for my game: baseliner mostly, but I like to come up to net (and I'm working on doing it more because it's fun) using approach shots when advantageous and then finishing off those points with volleys or a hard winner.

    The biggest observable improvements were my flat serve and the 1HBH slice. I'm recovering from shoulder soreness, so I'm not serving as hard as I used to do. But I'm finding my flat serve has picked up pace with the same effort I've applied in the past 2 weeks. The 1HBH slice has been a pleasure to hit again, effortless.

    I can't say much more than that. I've only used the modded YTPP for 2.5 hours in that one rally session. I'll report back if anything new comes up.
     
  38. Power Player

    Power Player Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2008
    Messages:
    20,200
    Location:
    On my iPhone
    Head shape is like the extreme and it is huge like the extreme as well. A lot of people like it. I can't tell if that is because Djoker is using it though, and I am serious about that. I see people on the court buying new speeds and telling me "it's djokovics!".

    I feel like the Prestige PP or MP would be a much better stick due to superior feel and control if you had to decide between the 2, but I am biased Prestigetard at this point.

    Weksa..awesome post man. Do you think the balance is retained then? I actually did not think of that obvious little solution to potentially low SW on the YT MP. Going from PED's prior posts in this threadBible, you have added 12 SW points to your stick by doing that.
     
    Last edited: Apr 12, 2011
  39. JGads

    JGads Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2010
    Messages:
    4,343
    Never played the Extreme Pro. Seems too powerful and stiff so I never tried it. Bear in mind, though, I may have weird taste or something, because I never personally got along with the Pure Storm Tour that PP liked so much, so him and I may just have a difference of taste on what we do and don't like, though it's funny that in spite of our differences on the Speed 16x19 and the Pure Storm Tour, we both love the Prestige Mid. Speed should be easily demo-able, though, as just about all local shops have them these days, so it wouldn't hurt to take it for a short spin.
     
  40. JGads

    JGads Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2010
    Messages:
    4,343
    Also, the IG Speed has a much wider head in the 18/20 version (where it does look a bit odd to me) more so than the 16x19, where it's a bit more oval/egg/normal shape than the widebody 18x20. Although one thing that was VERY WEIRD: at different points I had three different demos of the 16x19 IG. One of them -- and one that came from TW, no less -- actually had the widebody 18/20 mold/headshape but with the 16x19 pattern. I thought I was going crazy when I got it, knew it just didn't look right, so I went to my local shop to compare it to theirs -- both their demo and the ones they had for sale -- and sure enough, it appeared that a manufacturing defect had occurred and the 16x19 stringbed was put into the 18x20 frame.

    The one I had had the specs listed of the 16x19, and did have 16 mains and 19 crosses, but sure enough when compared it didn't have the .2 extra up top and extended wider at the middle to match the headshape of the 18x20 version.... Went ahead and traded away my Donnay for a 16x19, and when that new frame came to me I still had the TW demo in hand and compared that one as well and the one I received was fine as well, so just the one bad egg. I notified TW about it. And to be fair to them -- I had another TW demo of the IG 16x19 not long before and it was fine, headshape and length was as it should have been, so it really was just that one weird frame, I think.

    I'm sure it was just that, a weird anomaly, but just in case it's more common, it would be good to double check the headshape of the Speed if you get one to make sure the frame shape matches up with what it's supposed to be.
     
  41. baseline_monster

    baseline_monster Professional

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2010
    Messages:
    1,142
    Tooo true! I am actually thinking about sticking with the 6.1's until after out county champs then my contract terms should give me new extremly cheap sticks and I think I'll go with the 325's. Similar specs and I really do think the Tecnifibre frames are made with such a high quality. All about plough through!

    These PT57A's everyones on about, they the real deal mate!?
     
  42. namartens

    namartens Rookie

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2008
    Messages:
    130
    Reading through these boards I thought the same thing. I recently ordered two demo's: a TF 320 and a TF 325. They happened to be brand new with plastic still on the handles and strung with the same string. When I weighed them the TF 320 was about 6 grams heavier (static). If you look at the specs the TF 325 should be 5 grams heavier and maybe a little bit more because there is more string in the head :) I don't have a balance board or anything but the balance was different too. The TF 320 was a lot more headlight than the TF 325.
     
  43. baseline_monster

    baseline_monster Professional

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2010
    Messages:
    1,142
    What I like about the Six ones is that they feel so heafty and solid. With the 22mm beam they just feel powerfull where a 19 or 20 just feels to flexible. Tecnifibre also put silicone in some rackets handles, onthe 315's this was very nice, not sure if its on the 320 and 325's though. What are you using now?
     
  44. namartens

    namartens Rookie

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2008
    Messages:
    130
    I am still in the process of finding a new stick. I am reading this thread because it refers to prestige pro which I am looking into. I am not a fan of the gripshape though...
     
  45. Power Player

    Power Player Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2008
    Messages:
    20,200
    Location:
    On my iPhone
    Just leaded the MP demo at 1 and 11. Not sure of it's swingweight now (safe to guess 315?), but I put on 4 grams. That was perfect..this is scary now..it is the same balance (6 pts) as the PC600 and PTSGT, and weighs 12.1 with OG and damp. Which is the same as the PC600 and the PSTGT. Difference is this thing still swings nice and easy and has the smaller headsize.

    Could I have just found the exact happy weight/SW medium between a Prestige Mid and a PSTGT with this lead placement? I am going to hopefully get a hit in if the courts are dry in a few.
     
  46. big bang

    big bang Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2009
    Messages:
    1,885
    Location:
    behind your curtain
    You can buy tk82s pallets from TW-EU
     
  47. Power Player

    Power Player Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2008
    Messages:
    20,200
    Location:
    On my iPhone
    Ok MP experience :

    Had it with lead at first and the thing was a boomstick..seriously felt like a Radical Pro or something, but light. I was trouble getting a groove going, so I took off th lead. I actually liked it better at stock..which was interesting..just shows that specs really don't matter as much when you first try a new racquet. It had the killer sweetspot..but still too much power. Basically, I could hit very hard but the shots were not as heavy on a consistent basis. Hard to describe, but I could not put as much weight on the shot, so I am basically agreeing with what Jgads and PED said. It was tough to get the ball to drop in and I was hitting long.The MP also felt large to me, and it is only a 94..that's pretty funny, but true. I still think it is a very nice stick, and I know I could get used to it, but it is tough to beat a PC600/TGK combo.

    So I went and picked up the TGK without the new synthetic grip and it felt like home again. Just heavy balls, placement..on the run forehands..and much more comfort without the leather. I just really love the racquet setup like this. Worked in the PC600, which is just a hair heavier at 12.1 and nothing feels like that thing on contact. It just cracks the ball. I do not think there is much of a weight difference between the 2 sticks to really give me a problem, I went to the PC600 after about an hour and it was no problem.

    Only thing is it has a really thin leather grip on it. I am thinking of swapping it out as well with the hydrosorb, but a little hesitant to see if the balance will be affected too much. Ill probably give it a shot and be good to go.

    I keep wanting to tell you guys that the mid is "too advanced" or "too small" but I honestly have not had any issues so far with this. The racquet just seems to fit my swing perfectly and it hits so deep. I just like it right around 12 and with that SW in the low 320s. I think that is the magical prestige setup.
     
    Last edited: Apr 12, 2011
  48. ryushen21

    ryushen21 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2008
    Messages:
    2,201
    Location:
    wherever you were hoping I wasn't going to be
    Possibly my favorite line of yours ever. At least so far.

    I must now send you your official PresMid user initiation packet..which starts with a bottle of Jack and requires photo documentation of everything. Good luck with numbers 13, 17 and 19.....

    On a more serious note. Your MP experience seems to echo mine. It was good but just didn't hit the ball the same way that the Mid did. I don't know how to explain it but the Mid just clicked with everything.

    Should you ever make your way to Texas we must have a hit and a drink. Not necessarily in that order though...

    Ross....not to throw a wrench in your gears or anything but my friend (and long time Bab user) is having a seriously good time with V-Core 98D. Since I can only assume you are going to be demoing soon, might not be a bad one to toss in the mix.
     
  49. Ross K

    Ross K Legend

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2006
    Messages:
    8,232
    Morning fellow racketaholics of the world!

    Right, shall shortly be knocking back my usual nutrition-packed, slow-burn energy releasing, specially designed by sports scientists breakfast (see below) before rushing off to the courts.

    What I wanted to say though, was I now have my frames returned from stringers, so, barring a few little bits of modding that I'm still deciding on, I'm pleased to report I have reclining but 5 feet away from me now, for the first time ever, my APD, Prestige Pro and Tec 320 all strung with my fave string of the year thus far - Sol Tour Bite.

    I think the next few weeks should prove decisive.

    Happy hitting gentlemen!


    R.


    [​IMG]

    :lol:
     
  50. baseline_monster

    baseline_monster Professional

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2010
    Messages:
    1,142
    Ross, do you have an original APD!?¬?!?!?!?!!
     

Share This Page