Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Ross K, Sep 11, 2010.
I do, M, and it's not for sale!!!
Ross, I hope that photo is really yours
To add to the MP, I know the swing ratings are largely marketing, but I noticed that the MP has an L6, while the Mid has an L7. I completely agree with it. I have a long swing..I take the racquet back high, drop into the slot and go for it. It was very tough to do this with the MP and get the same ball as with the Mid. So I really do think there is something to that swing rating.
I also believe that all prestiges should be built for the L7 swing rating and we would probably all be digging the Prestige pro and Mp even more.
The MP should be based on the PT280 with a 20mm or less beam, static weight at around 12, SW at 320-325, and flex at 60. It would be a far better stick.
The Prestige Mid could be lightened up a little with the same balance and SW and be relevant for years. I am telling you, with it at a slightly lower weight, it still crushes the ball and the timing and control is even better. The youtek is simply .4 ounces heavier than the PC600, and there is no real reason it should be.
Actually, I believe all the Prestiges are L6 swing rated by Head. At least the ones I've owned were. Speed is a 5 and Rad is a 4 IIRC.
I agree with you that the Mid requires a fuller swing to get the most out of it though and the MP as well but to a lesser degree. The YTPP plays the most modern of the 3 IMO.
Very interesting. My Pc600 says L7, and since the TGK does not say anything, I just guessed.
I should have pulled out my retail youtek to look.
I will say this.. however my swing is, the ball I get out of the mid at the specs I have it at is perfect. ..driving..low..tons of movement, and most importantly, right inside the baseline on a consistent basis. I could get this shot out of the MP, but not with the exact swingfeel I am used to. Basically picking up the mid instantly brought me back to what I needed.
I think the low SW definitely had something to do with that as well. who knows..racquet specs can be voodoo magic sometimes.
But of course... yummy... why, it's the breakfast of champions!
Will update later on today's Sol Tour Bite fest with the APD, Tec 320 and TGK PP...
I agree 100%, it's all voodoo and magic.
I don't know if you tried the Microgel line of Prestiges. Those, on paper, were more powerful. My stock Microgel MP had a SW of 315, 63 flex and 335 grams and it hit like a noodle.
By contrast, the stock YTK MP has the exact same specs but a lower SW, 305.
AND YET! The stock YTK has tons more power. The extra pop comes from the stiffer hoop, something I loved about the LM Radical.
All that to say that you can't really tell much from the specs. Actually, you can pretty much tell how it will swing, but you can't really know the effect on the ball.
I don't know, I tried the mid and didn't find it harder to swing than my mp at all, if anything, the extra SW made easier to block back shots and redirect the ball with shorter swings.
The only reason I stuck with a mp was because I play a lot on clay, and the extra real estate helps when I'm hitting above shoulder ohbh's.
The PPro really is a different beast. Moreso because of the extra plow than the added spin potential.
The PPro feels like it has more weight at 3&9 but has a softer hoop and a stiffer throat compared to the MP. As a result, I find it easier to flatten out balls when hitting high to low on the FH.
The PPro also has a higher Twistweight. 11.67 vs 10.79 for the mid and 10.45 for the MP. As a result, the PPro handles heavy shots a bit better IMO.
Anyhow, my 0.2c's.
I would do dangerous things to go back to them, 3 g of lead at 3 and 9, 12 in the handle, string it with alu power, WOW!!!!! Try it, but that silinco string is basically the same. Do love alu power, just to expensive.
You make some great points, like you,I find the Mid swings easier than the MP as well and there seems to be more end product when you connect with the Mid. Your MP setup sounds like a nice one.
The Pro does have a stiffer throat and the more flexy throat is ultimately what soured me on the MP, my go to shot is my IO FH and I couldn't make the MP hit it the way I could with the PP.
Same here..I am inside out forehand all day long and I can smack the crap out of it with the Mid. the Midplus gave me a decent one, but it had more loop to it and less weight.
That was the problem I had with the MP, mine was sitting up that crucial bit and letting my opponent get a bead on it: not what I want when I'm in the ad corner...lol
Big session earlier, and one that I came away from feeling a tad dispirited, if I'm being honest...
Anyhow, on today's evidence the APD and TGKPP are maybe neck and neck for my affections - or perhaps the TGK is just a mite ahead - and the TF 320 a little way behind those 2. I won't bore you yet again with the finer details and miscellaneous random nonsensical ways my brain was formatting thoughts as the session (and it was a lengthy one) went on; save to say this:
TGK PP... I do need to lose a bit of weight off the head (lose some of that 4g @ 12)... The solidness and stability, effortless power and quality lush feel really stands out with this frame.
APD... Whilst the feel and 'body' isn't on a par with the PP, and I play more erratic with it, the forgiving, spinny, b-line bashing performance is right up my Strasse!
TF V02 320... Not a whole lot wrong here... in fact initially I was finding it's nippier size and way of maneuvering very much to my liking... I do find it easy to manipulate, however, I think I hit with more penetration with both the others, and generally, it just lags a bit behind the PP and APD in how much I like it.
TBH, today was one of those sessions where I came away feeling my racketaholic tendencies are a curse:cry: ... I'm sure if my PC+ was in my bag I would have pulled that out to contrast with the others.
You know, I'm not sure about you guys, but sometimes I just crave to be normal and have my 1 frame that I always go to, just like everyone else... but what can I do???:roll:
BTW, Not a single, solitary ace today... dear, dear... "SHAKES HEAD AND A LA DENIRO IN THAT LAST MESMERIZING SHOT IN "ONCE UPON A TIME IN AMERICA" REACHES FOR THE OPIUM PIPE.":shock:
It's not a prestige but did anyone notice they re released the k95? Kind of cool, def a beastly stick.
The power of Del Potro? Wonder what the backstory is there: I've kind of wondered to myself (who knows: maybe this has already been answered or discussed elsewhere) if DelPo, after winning the USO in the K95 paintjob and then hurting his wrist with the Pro Tour paintjob, was just superstitious and refused to go back to the black and yellow. And so Wilson appeases by rereleasing the K paintjob? Hmm..
Speaking of gimpy issues, my self imposed one-week break to rest up the knee and such after a load of tennis in a one-week span to wrap up a league season ends tomorrow. Can't wait to get back out there with my mixed back of goodies, the BC20 in first position.
Funny someone brought up the Donnays, because I just got a free chance to try a black 99 while picking up the hydrasorbed pc600. Probably the closest specs to what I like..once again another fusion of prestige and pure storm tour.
I had tried out the Orange before and was not feeling it, but this one seems to swing as easy as my pc600. The Pc600 is back with the synthetic grip and it now weighs as much as my TGK and is balanced at 7pts..my TGK is actually 8, but I can live with that.
Scary if I like the Donnay..the good thing for me is that I knew I did not really dig the Prestige MP rather fast, so this should be quick as well. I got to look at all the specs of the different donnays they had and the other I thought would be cool was the Red, but it was 16x19. The blue looked like it may be too stiff, and they claimed the black was more flexy. While this mild distraction wil be fun, i am quite happy to have both prestiges pretty darn close in spec now..I feel spoiled in a way, because their feel is so nice, that I almost should not be this lucky.
LOVE what the Donnays are capable of doing to a tennis ball -- ripping serves, easy groundies, knife-through-butter slices. HATE how I could never feel the ball as well as I'd longed to with them. Compared to the Prestige Mid, any Donnay is just too soft feeling, and borderline noodle-like in terms of flex. My hunch is that you'll be reaching for your Prestige very quickly, even though the Donnays are a lot of fun.
Gads..the Donnay was very soft. Definitely not the same feel as the Prestige mid..but nothing is. It is almost unfair how good the prestige mid feels..probably the best feel I have ever had.
I mainly used the TGK because I was hitting with a strong player and I didn't want to waste his time while I tinkered with a new racquet. I was having trouble keeping the ball in with the donnay..this is the new theme with me..I basically hit long with every racquet now besides the mid. That being said, I was figuring out subtle changes to make to my swing path adjust to the stick, and I imagine I would be able to hit with heavy spin and flatten it out as well once I spent some time with it. The thin beam is so killer that it made the TGK seem thick when i picked it up.
I definitely liked this racquet more than the prestige MP..no doubt about it. It is not a very demanding racquet, especially on the backhand. I have to say that it is simply so unique that I really think anyone who likes prestiges or pro staffs should check it out.
It is very flexy, but not nearly as bad as the Pro one, which had no power. This thing has a lot more power to it and I am wondering if it can be contained..the demo I had was strung with a multi at 52#s and that is simply not a good match for this stick.
To finish, this stick served insanely heavy. The prestige is a great stick for me on flat serves..probably the best ever. But I have been struggling with second serves a little. I picked up the Donnay and just hit hard slice serves, and I could not believe the action on the ball. Judging from the ball bounce to the fence. I was hitting slices with heavy action at around 95mph or so. I felt like I could just serve slice at that pace for a whole match and probably give a lot of people hell. This racquet serves as good as the prestige, but the prestige is better for flat bombs, and the Donnay will allow you to serve with more topspin, so you cold probably dial it up to 110 or so with practice and have a consistent first serve followed by a super heavy slice at 90-95.
I definitely think the Donnays are worth checking out..the 99 does not really feel like a 99..swings smaller then the prestige MP..I believe that is due to the thin beam. I will try and spend some more time with it because it really is killer.
LET THIS PIC OF MYSELF AT 4AM THIS MORNING SERVE AS A WARNING... THE RACKETAHOLIC LIFE IS NOT ONE TO RECOMMEND!
Do not demo or pick up a Donnay racquet. If you see one, just walk away. Walk away from it and forget you ever saw it. Sweet god they are uniquely awesome.
Maybe I made the right decision at the end of last year with these frames and was just temporarily thrown off course by the PC+ Swirly?
Anyhow, no doubts whatsoever that the TGK/Pres Pro is a fantastic frame, and on reflection and contemplation, I'm definitely leaning back towards them. I am going to take them with me as I'm about to go away for the Easter break.
Where I've had my reservations or whatever has mainly been related to the slight lack of oomph/penetration and spin (I confess I've been surprised by Fed and others who say they find it very spinny; for me, it's not a very open pattern TF 320 or Rad Pro-type racket really.) In contrast, I find I hit the ball I like more easily with the APD, but it's also more liable to overshoot, and then there are all the ways the PP shines... quality build, feel and touch, soilidness and stability, control, precision, sweet swinging, pj, pop... and I could go on.:wink:
Anyhow, thanks to 'el sargento' on these boards, I'm trying out a new lead set/fishing weights set up to see if I can give the PP "some more balls" (quoted for truth from Fed - LOL!)
Have a great Easter guys. I'm heading down to real ale and cider territory tomorrow very early morning in the South of England (Devon)... so, plenty of superb beers and some tennis too - that will keep a simple soul like me happy for a while, as well as providing, er... ahem... escape from the in-laws - LOL!... yes, let me assure you, I'm already devising little schemes to get me out the house and on to the courts, or into the pubs, or both on the same afternoon!:twisted:
No problem Ross, have a great Easter break and hope the mod works out for you.
Jgads, I have agreed with you about almost every stick besides the pure storm tour, but today I think that I should share 1 more dissension- the Donnay black 99 is an excellent racquet. I basically will have to decide over time if it is better than the Mids because they are very similar. For now, I can at least break down what I have experienced so far.
Feel - Prestige is the GROAT, and nothing can beat it in feel. That being said, the Black has a very nice plush Pure Storm Tour feel to it that works for me. It also is the best feeling racquet when you just carry it around between points, as weird as that sounds. It just has this solidity to it that makes it feel like it will swing super heavy, but it doesn't.
Groundstrokes - still figuring it out, but the Donnay is better on my 2hbh. I can hit winners on the run cross court with authority. Sometimes I lose my groove with the prestige on that wing, but I have also hit my share of winners with it as well, so it is really hard to say. I do hit insanely heavy pace with the Donnay though, but the control of the Mid is legend.
Serves - Donnay. This is what got me considering the stick. I have easily hit some of my biggest serves in years with this racquet, which is incredible because the prestige is the best serving stick I have owned. The difference is the action I can put on the ball with the Donnay. Very very sharp biting movement. I can say with confidence that when I am on, I hitting serves that are in the low 100s and I actually feel like I can get back close to the power of my junior days if I continue to improve.
For comparison, the PC600 is easily the best serving stick of the prestiges, and the Donnay is simply better for me due to the action you can put on the ball.
Control - The prestige will never be defeated here. It is impossible to top the king, but the Donnay comes very close. I would describe it as the pure storm with more control to it. You hit gigantic finishing shots with heavier spin. The prestige is a flatter ball. I can finish with very heavy pace with both racquets, but the amount of spin i can put on the ball with the Donnay allows me to play safe shots that still have action and kick on them.
Paint job - i would not mention this, but both are the best. You can not top either PJ. The Donnay PJ basically screams Oakland Raiders, which is one of the best NFL unis of all time. It is hardcore and made the guy on the court next to me with his bright yellow yonexolat feel embarrassed and shamed. I kid of course, because I like the loud sticks, but no one will have the Black PJ and it's cool to pull out.
The Donnay is the exact same specs as the Classic Mid. It weighs the same, same SW and the balance is almost exact as well. It swings just as easy as well. Kind of incredible how they made a 99 feel like a 94. The Black is the evolution from the classic mid, and since I have both in my bag currently, I feel confident in saying that. The feel of the classic mid is superior, and nothing will ever top it, but the Donnay is really the modern evolution of the PC600 in regards to everything else.
Truth is, it's not a total dissension. I totally get it. There's a reason I went gaga over the Donnay Dark Red enough to buy a pair, and it's exactly the kind of shot capability you're describing. The thinness of the Donnay frames make Prestige and even K90 shot quality possible in a lighter, easier-to-use package. In the end, though, it was just the feel that did me in. No matter the string, the hit always felt a bit too soft for me and I struggled to feel as if I had full control of the ball. BUT ... the 'zones' that you can get into with the stick are astonishing.
Let me ask: what string do you have in there? Demo or a preferred poly? I demoed several Donnays, hated the hybrid demo string setup (it was ALU with some mushy multi, I think) and as I gravitated more toward the Dark Red (only demo'd the Black 94, never the 99), that was the only frame I started to put my own string in there. It's possible I may have done myself a disservice by not trying better setups in the closed-pattern Black series.
After my honeymoon monthlong demo, I got a great deal on two DRs and when they came in I really thought it was going to become my stick of choice (obviously, as I bought a pair) but then I just found myself struggling to regain the 'zone' period I'd have with the others. A huge part of this, I'm afraid, is that the ones I purchased came in weighing a bit less than the one I was demoing, and as much as I tried to tweak the weight of it, I never got back to the goodness.
So anyway, great review and am happy you're finding the bliss that's definitely possible with the uniqueness of these frames. Did you go ahead and buy to play/tinker with long-term?
I am planning to buy one if I can get a deal. From there I will see how it goes and if I win more with it then the Mid. Since they are the same specs, it makes life far easier for me to pull this off. I also like that if I did go with the Donnay one day, I could put natty gut in the PC600 and still be able to use it on casual days when my body needs a break.
The demo has multi at a low tension..measuring 46#s..horrible horrible setup. I have to go very western to control the ball, but I have hit with enough sticks to where I knew it before I even measured the tension, and I do not blame the racquet for this. The power level right now is too much, and if it played like this with full poly it would be tough, but I already know from others that it wont. I mean, who plays with a multi in the 40s? No one.. the good news is that I can still hit with it and still like it, even with the awful setup.
My setup will be full poly at 50#s, which is right around where the mids are. I will probably try some of the Solinco outlast that I have, and will definitely try the black magic as well since it is perfect in the prestige.
I think if I hybrided one day I would do the courier setup except with poly in the mains at 52#s and a synthetic gut cross at 55. If I ever went full synth gut for any reason, it would be at 57#s.
It really is unfair to pull out a TGK with black magic setup perfectly and compare it to the Donnay with a multi at a low tension, but just from that experience I already know enough to know that the racquet is going to work for me.
Been using this ytpp for a few days, even with lead at 3/9 it creates the spinniest bhs I have ever hit. So far though I must admit I think the pstgt is a more solid stick.
Also: I did get to hit the donnay blue 99, it has a ton of power, similar to extreme
Yeah, I agree with you RE: the PPro and the PST.
The Donnay Black is very much like the pstgt, but it swings easier for me so far.
Donnay broke a string pretty early in, so I just hit with the Classic and tgk. They feel so good to uncork forehands with. I can hit inside out forehands at really sharp angles to pass a player at net. Really awesome racquets.
Some serious Prestige envy over here. Gotta get one one day. The idea of a slightly lighter Prestige Mid than the Youtek version sounds so delightful. Though truth is, that's pretty much what I have in the Black Ace. Anyway, back to the courts tomorrow. Can't wait.
Wow, PP, great to see a pic of this stunning beauty again!... BTW, her younger sis, the YTPP ain't bad looking either!
PP, Your present racketaholic adventures are leaving us all in your slip-stream ATM. I must say, if I was in the old 'holic mode of the past, this review would have me checking out contacts or whatever to get my hands on this frame. You make it sound veeeeeeey interesting. As I keep saying though, the APD and PP seems to be enough of a nightmare trying to choose between them (TF V02 320 and PC+ also), so I don't want to add to that if I can help it, otherwise... let me see... the Vantage Bast Core, Dunny 300, Iggy 16x19, the Yonex V-Core 95D, BLX 95, TFF 325, and Lord knows what might all be on my "to check out" list.:roll:
This is why I have avoided the X-Black 94 like the plague. I've had my mids for almost a year now and just get better and better as I continue playing. That being said, the X-Black 94 is right there in my ideal spec range. I'm entirely sure that if I ever did pick one up that I would love it and instantly want to purchase several of them.
But I can understand why you would try out the 99. It really looks like it is a killer frame.
Should you decide to go Donnay and purge yourself of your PC600 or TGK, send me a message.
Nice prestige/GHOAT pic PP. I need to educate myself on how to post up pics.
Donnay X frames...
Shish - I'm getting mildly interested here, PP, Jg, Fed, everyone!
I'm going to read up more later, but from what I've read thus far, the red, black and blue 99 might tweak my curiosity somewhat... but which of these though would you say might appeal to someone who liked the APD and Prest Pro, and why???:wink:
Ryu, I will email you if I ever decide to get rid of those sticks. While knowing some money would be going back in my pocket is very appealing, I could still make a huge mistake and end up missing the mids. I play well with them, and they are the most satisfying feeling racquets of all time. So my plan is to work in 1 black and see if I truly play better with it.
Like I said, these things spec out the same, so it is very easy to slide them in. Only problem was the string setup on the Black was so poor that I did have to adjust my grip and swing path a little. I do not think that will be an issue once I have it set up right.
Ross, I would try the black 99 and the red 99. The red is super light though and tougher to get weight on the shot. The black is easy to hit huge serves and groundies with and is a power stick without much power..lol. It makes no sense, but imagine a prestige pro that hits a little more modern while still retaining all the classic traits of an old racquet.
The feel is not the same as the prestige. Just keep that in mind. It is still really flexy and nice though. Definitley far better feel than most sticks out there and basically does feel like a pro mold racquet The pro molds give you more power that is controllable because of the flex. That is why I prefer the TGK just a little to the retail..but the main reason is I can customize the TGK.
The Black 99 I could put a synth grip on, and then use the 5 gram buttcamp mod to retain the balance and drop the weight down probably to 11.9. So far fully loaded, it is 12.1, swings like it is a little lighter. It is tough to describe, but basically these racquets are special because you swing lighter than they are, so you really get nice racquet head speed.
^^^ Thanks PP, nice info there... and 1 last Q... any thoughts on the blue 99?
Ross, strung the x black 99 up for my mate yesterday. He had it shipped over from the States. Feels very nice, the bean is soooo thin! Nice weight and the pj is the best I've seen in years. I'll be hitting with it later in the week mate.
I strung my six ones up with redcode, awesome!
Hit 4 of the sticks today..basically 90 degrees, so every 40 minutes i would need a dry gripped one anyway.
It's crazy how the youtek and classic mid feel pretty similar when you hit the sweetspot hard. I could definitely feel it, but the classic is still a thicker feel.
Hit my best 2 handers and drop shots with the pure storm tour that has gut in it. Of the 3 it swings the slowest, but it is still very accurate and heavy as hell.
It is really cool hitting with the classic mid. When you ring up a heavy shot it is just crushingly loud.
Baseline, interested in seeing what you think. I think it has one of the best PJs as well.
PP, you have a pstgt strung with gut? What does that feel like? The stick is so chunky and solid, I don't think it's very string sensitive: I loved the full addiction job in the demo and it hits the same with hyperion (little more spin) but still...the touch must be sick with full gut.
The rac is kind of a workhorse...not very sexy but I think I'm playing my strongest with it.
The touch with gut is nasty on drop shots. The best setup I had for those today.
I was thinking about splurging a gut poly hybrid for the pstgt (maybe black vs and tornado), the shots have such nice fed roll to them I think it would complement the frame nicely.
Kal-El 34 thinks very highly of the X-Blue I believe. And he has hit with just about everything.
Rossman, I played a lot this weekend with the ytpp and the pstgt: having them both side by side gotta say I favored the pstgt in nearly every category. But here's the most important one: BALL QUALITY.
Nothin' like telling the prettiest girl in town to shove off in favor of her fatter, nicer cousin. It is what it is, man.
I'm going to look under one more rock before calling it a day, liquidating the quiver and getting some matched pstgt.
PP, JG, BM,
Re the Donnay X's, I've only just learnt that they are not available in the UK. This is disappointing news as - and this is rarely for me these days - I was really getting my turned from reading the reviews, posts, Kal-El's thread, etc. Definitely that Blue 99, maybe the Black 99, and perhaps the Red 99, all would seem to hold a certain interest for me; but it may well be an interest that's very hard to pursue, unless, as happened with you Baseline Monster, someone brings one back from the US... so... grrrr... as we say here in England: what a load of old BLX!:evil:
Great you feel such positive vibes re the PSTGT. Considering how much I liked the PC+ Swirly, I'm confused even that I don't like the PSTGT quite as much as you, PP, etc. Is it simply because I was hitting with the + size Swirly and it's something to do with the added length, changed specs, etc, I was favoring so much in the PC Swirly?... hmm... I'm not entirely sure.
Anyhow... for one thing, for me, the Pres Pro swings BEAUTIFULLY, and that's not one attribute I'd give to the PSTGT. I also find the PPs more controlled - or less likely to overshoot on occassions when the hitting gets fast and furious. For me, they are also a tad more solid. Then there's the feel - I find the PST to play pretty soft really and is just not quite my present cup of tea. There's only one winner in the PJ department. And lastly, another reason I initially liked the PPs so much was I believe there's a familiarity when you play with one, a link in performance and build quality to the PT630, Rad Tour TT, i, Pres MP (all frames I've spent time with some years back, and definitely frames that left a certain, er, impression upon me.)
All that said, I'd still like to look at the PSTGT again with Tour Bite this time (had PHT in it previously.)
I'm also still not 100 per cent that either quite are a fit for my stroke/ball preference... they both a hit a similarly thumpy, lower-arcing, lower over the net, more direct, flatter sort of flatter ball. My instincts, habits are probably more inclined to the severe brush up, W/wiping, very strong SW - Western gripping, b-line play.
So... playing with my newly modded PP in a day or 2, shall report back findings and see I've been able to access a bit more consistent depth, heavy, spinny ball etc, a la the PC+ Swirly, which so messed with my mind a few weeks back - lol!
I'll have BOTH the bigger built cousin AND the town hottie, thanks!
Ross: It's an interesting debate...perhaps we have radically different styles. I have less severe grips, always pressing forward, hate long points, one hand backhand, lots of chipping, win a lot of points on serve.
I will say this: I have owned pt630, bumblebee and lm rad tour, I find these oldies much more closely related to the pstgt than the ytpp. These are softish, sluggish bullies. Incidentally the head shape on the pstgt is the spitting image of pt630...weird wideness near the throat...the pt630 is a noodly log of doom...soft and sluggy to the max!
The ytpp is an apd stiffish spin machine on the south beach diet! I like the pj but the racquet has no guts! You have a prostock though, it's probably groaty...
End note: as I finished up today I watched a group of 5.0 dubs. I was reminded what good tennis looks like. 3 of them were goating 6.1 and one had an older extreme pro. These guys dont make crummy mistakes, they volley well and they chip and approach off hard hit balls. (Get a heavy rac) Really fun to watch. I had a moment of clarity and realized I am done with light racquets.
I'm intermediate level... strong SW or Western grip... like to dictate from the b-line (when playing regularly and in form I go a bit more all court but not loads)... like long points and forcing mistakes... a 2hbh and serve that needs oomph help - LOL!... hate tricksy spin-meister dropshotters and players who insist on bringing me in the whole time... have a useful lob... relatively fit and in shape given my knee, advancing years, love of a beer, and general years of self-abuse, ha ha!
Your views on the PST being more like PT630, etc (flex aside), are totally not my perception, but each to their own.
Re "the ytpp is an apd stiffish spin machine on the south beach diet!"... all I can say is, that sounds like exactly what I'm after!... maybe my new mod job will make me a 'believer'.:wink:
Re your moment of clarity, I kind of had a similarish vibe occur with my mystical few weeks with the PC+ Swirly... I just can't quite put my finger on what exactly I was responding so positively to (added length?... added heft?... string?...etc). And then, again, the other day yet more deep musings... I was struck by the thought that re rackets... and this applies to sports, and arts, I think... re tennis rackets you should just find something that most makes you PLAY TO YOUR PERSONAL STRENGTHS AND INDIVIDUAL ASSETS... simple!:roll:
Blah, I need a strong coffee.
From reading your inputs over the years, I think it's likely a combo of the XL length(that seems to work well with your style) and the PC+ appears to have that old skool feel to it.
The PST gt is probably the closest of the modern sticks to the pc+ but it's more modern in it's feedback. Interesting thoughts from LPShanet on the other thread about the flex in the hoop vs the throat and that might be the difference you're feeling.
I think we all have a "go to" characteristic in a frame that makes us fall for it
That is too bad you can not try the Donnays, I am sure at some point you will get access to one.
I have to agree with a lot about the pure storm tour..it does not have that crisper sweet spot that the Heads have, but still has amazing feel to it. I actually found myself controlling it's power a lot better after weeks and weeks off from it.
That being said, the Donnay has a little more for me in terms of serve..actually it has a lot going there because it moves through the air faster for me. I would definitley be able to pair the Donnay, Prestige and Pure Storm together. The only difference is the PST and Donnay have more power. The Donnay and Prestige swing the best, and the Donnay allows me to string poly at lower tensions.
So that is basically the only reasons I believe the Donnay works for me over the pure storm, but these are pretty nitpicking.
I am definitley at the point of just wanting to go with a racquet and move on because I have fine tuned the selection process enough..lol.
Have you hit the Black 94 by any chance. I'm definitely interested in how that compares with the Prestige.
If I see one and can grab it to demo, I will let you know.
It is apparently awesome. I am going to probably stick with the 99 since it really strengthens my serve and backhand. Being able to consistently rip those 2 shots boils down to practice and technqiue, but also will make me a huge PITA to play against. The 99 is probably the best back 2hbh racquet of the 3 (prestige, pst) for how I hit.
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