Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Ross K, Sep 11, 2010.
Don't have your US grading system here, but maybe a 3.5, Jack.
Just read your new excellent APD review/summation on the APD playtest thread. Nice, JG. Makes me wonder if I may just find the Original to be unbeatable out of all these versions of the Aeropro. The black Rafa APD isn't actually a frame I struggle with to keep the ball in bounds. Also, the lower flex of the Original is just a lot nicer than most 70+ similarish tweenerish racs.
Did you switch to the new APD? How are you finding it?
no, i ultimately decided to pass. it's still feels too much like an APD and i need the racquet to feel good when it hits the ball. while it hits a good ball, i just don't enjoy the feel of it as much as my BC20, PK Black Ace 95 special, TT Radical Tour OS, PS85, or POG OS. since i don't rely on tennis to pay my bills, i decided i'd rather stick to hitting with my rather large collection of 'feel good' sticks instead.
My guess is that would probably end up being the case. If anything, the two sticks are probably similar enough to where there isn't enough reason to spend on the new frame. Plus, yours still has the best paintjob of them all.
In some ways I'm jealous of players who can effectively wield the apd. Was telling MD about one of the all-time league beat-downs I got from some Greek dude who knew just how to wield it, and was just thundering those line-clippers to each corner with such ease all night long. It truly felt unfair.
I've just never been able to get there myself with that frame. And it was always too stiff for my taste, never felt satisfying in the hand. If it works for you, though, and you can keep it under control, then it's definitely one of those sticks that can truly be a weapon and improve one's shots and game.
I also feel like if I played with nothing but that stick for several weeks, I'd probably get far more used to exactly the kind of strokes I have to hit with it and could get to the point where I'd be far more effective. But in the end I tend to always veer back to my control sticks, my feel sticks, so not worth the effort for me.
Would be nice if one day Bab tried to make an apd with a stiffness of like 61. But then, why would they? It's the No. 1 selling frame out there as is, so no need to change what's working.
Power Player....90 min special on Tennis Channel right now about Agassi.
edit: it will be repeated at midnite. EST
Thanks Jack, I have seen it many times but it never gets old. Have it on now.
Got my Vcore 97 Tour this morning. Feels great in my hands. Nice weight. Awesome paint job. Will hit with it tomorrow.
Just watched if for the first time. Great 90 min special. I also really enjoyed his book. Brutally honest.
I played two sets today with the Vcore 97 tour. Great on flat and spin serves. Backhand slice can de hit low and with pace. Had some trouble with my forehand as it was landing short at times. The control and comfort is much better than with the APD GT . Zero vibration. The full set of Lux 4 may or may not be the one. Serves and bh slice went well but we will see about the forehand. Topspin backhand seems will work just fine but I sliced alot today.I am pleased but it will tale some time to dial in my rhythm and strokes as this racket plays different if compared to the a APD. The Tour feels like a pro racket, the APD like a cheap toy.
Attention all APD holics!
The other day I saw an APD "Tour" for sale that was a different PJ and really long almost CAP grommets. Most likely it's a fake, but I think it would be an interesting hit. I've never seen it before and had little luck finding information on it.
Anyone seen one before???
Nice looking PJ. Never heard of it
Quick google brings up TW review.
Length 27 inches 69 centimeters
Head Size 97 square inches 626 square centimeters
Weight 11.5 ounces 326 grams
Balance Point 12.875 inches
33 centimeters 5pts Head Light
Construction 17 mm Head / 21 mm Shaft
Composition High Modulus Graphite
String Pattern 16 Mains / 19 Crosses
yep thats the original Aero tour which was subsequently replaced by the APD it had a super thin profile for low wind resistance on the big western forehands unfortunately it was so stiff it felt like playing with a 2x4. I have the "pro limited" version in my closet which weighed in at 12.4 oz..it was a beast, but I played pretty well with it
Interesting ^^^. I confess that's all new to me.
PP, other RH bladesters,
Just been taking notes from the open pattern darth vader TT review... compares to a TF 320 and a Organix 10 for one tester. Like a IG Speed or IG Rad but with more heft and solidness says another. Jason name-checks the Bio 400 T. And the final tester says it really reminds him of a PD, Head Extremes too, though the Blade has better solidness and feel.
Those guys use custom APDs all leaded up. APD in stock form is another story. The aero design for hitting topspin is very good but in comparison to the vcore tour 97 its to light and powerful and with a more unpredictable stringbed. As JGads said in his 2013 APD the Apd lets you hit great shots but make you give away points. But I will probably buy that cheap toy soon.
Went back to my Juice today after being in the Steam Room all week and it was a pretty easy transition back. The 2 racquets are I indeed very similar, especially with the way my Juice is leaded (2g at 12').
The Juice MAYBE has a little more power, but it's close. Ross, I am really liking the Yonex Poly Tour pro on the 2nd outing. Nice power and pocketing and yes the yellow looks awesome in the Juice.
Good thing about the vcore tour 97 is that it is possible to experiment with almost any poly and not get hurt. May try solinco outlast mains and babolat nvy crosses soon
That's awesome! Thanks for the info. It seems like it would be a really fun frame to hit with, albeit a rather uncomfortable one!
B - haha, yes, I also definitely haven't ruled out the frame that's been my fav for a few years. TBH I've consistently found it a bit lacking in a few areas for a long time, areas the Juice and maybe PD kind of make up for. Of course, I still think it's basic b-line powerful spinny g/stroke is pretty much unbeatable.
I am actually presently looking at all frames stock, playing with no lead, lowering tensions (e.g., polys @ low/mid 40s).
Jack - Interesting first remark re J and 99s similarity.
Re Poly Pro Tour, I've just bought a further 4 sets (want to try it in the PD soon as well.) If I like it this week as much as I did last week I'm pretty tempted to stay around with it for a while. As I said, I've played with a load of polys that appear rather alike or haven't particularly made me sit up and take notice, but when you just click with a set up like I look to have done with the Juice and PPT, seems silly to mess with that.
If you really want a Babolat guaranteed to give everyone tennis elbow then get this one, and I've been fine with every Babolat otherwise.
The 2013 Aero Pro was my main target until I got a sore tennis elbow a week ago. Using full Solinco Revolution was an error and my elbow payed for it. I will possibly get the APD 2013 n the near future and use TCS at 52 or TCS Mains/ Babolat Ny crosses. This way I can deal with the stiffness factor. If that is too powerful then I will go for the low powered Weiss Cannon Black5Edge at 46. I know I will miss the APD and its unique design so there is a big possibility that I will get it. The goal will be to eliminate or decrease unwanted vibrations and use a stringbed that is not too powerful.
For now, I will keep up using the VCORE 97 and later use it in combination with the APD. The VCORE 97 is an excellent frame to rest my elbow, it has a big sweetsopot with zero vibration, great for serves and backhand slice, good precision and control, and its construction is great. Can be a great offensive weapon if one adjusts to it properly.
On another note, the VCORE xi 100 is coming out next year with a higher swingweight. Could be interesting but I think the hefty 97 Yonex was the way to . But, I will keep an eye on this xi 100.
What are you using as a cross? Right now I have Yonex multi as the cross.
I actually have it in a full poly job.
Ross, I agree about polys, if you are finding you like one a lot and it gives you enough playtime, then stick with it. There are too many options out there.
You almost have to weed them out with silly stuff like if the color matches the frame ..etc.
Have you used B5E? If so, is B5E lower powered and softer (or the opposite) than Yonex Poly Tour Pro?
Haven't tried B5E before.
B5E is pretty comfy in full bed and retains tension well. Some people prefer it hybrid.
Did you ever try TCS in your APD Original or in any other frame? I remember you had it in your list of "strings to try"
I have and yes it's lower powered. Comfy though.
So, are there any West coast RH's that wouldn't mind helping a Canadian out with some shipping issues? It would get you some instant TW street cred, and a couple of bucks! :razz:
What's the issue?
I can't get Babolat shipped out of the States and was wondering if one of you lovely folks could accept my order and forward it my way. I'd be more then happy to cover shipping and then some! I have a credit with TW and have been hoping to finally use it, but nonetheless I cannot. Feel free to email me through my profile if it's something you wouldn't mind checking out for me!
^^Sent you an email if you still need someone to help you smuggle your Babolat goods to Canada.
Sounds good! I'll reply to you in the morning once I'm a bit more coherent in my speech! :razz:
Thanks for the mail, you'll be hearing from me soon!
My eyes were popping out my head a bit reading botticelli's post in the 99s thread re it's performance and how it compares to the new APD...
I have had the fear that the 99s could be for me something a bit Exo Tourish in how that spin works, ball not getting put away, etc. Not saying it's the same as I obviously do not know yet, but fascinating to read a contrary review to most of the praise and kudos, and it does put the new APD in a good light.
Hi I'm Ray,
Have you hit with the new APD? If so, what's your take on it?
Random post. Extended demo with 6.0 PS95 reveals sexy feel, plow, spin, and forgiving. BM@57.
Plays like a 2k9 Rebel in open pattern. A little slower through the air, but an extremely solid stick. I wanna try bm 17 on the rebel for comparison.
What racket are you buying? Pure Strom LTD?
How much time did you spend with the Exo Tour? It has taken me about two months to figure out how to hit winners with this thing but I'm still more content to just work the point with this frame.
So Ross, Who is buying first the new Aeropro, you or me?
I am deciding to apply 90 dollars store credit to Yonex 308 shoes that are on Sale or the new APD. I'm on a serious dilemma. The VCORE 97 Tour is very good in terms of absorbing shots and penetrating the court but the free power of the APD and the aero design is In my Blood.
I appreciate your random post! The prostaff classic 6.0 95 is a sweet stick. I really haven't played with anything that feels quite like it. It's flexy, but has some power due to its weight. I really considered pawning it off my old coach lol. He had tour bite in it, but lord knows that he shouldn't be using poly lol.
The 6.0 is a great racket with really good spin potential. I believe davydenko uses it under a pj
Me too B. TBH though, I'm also keenly following all the feedback re the 99s and new open Blade as well. Let's hope come mid-January I've made up my mind which to look at. Of course, chances are that over time I'll end up looking at them all anyhow (dear oh dear).
I spent about, I don't know, 6 weeks, 8 weeks, something in that region. Maybe you are right and that would have come with time. What did it for me was having a random hit with at my APD and realizing it blasted the pants off the Prince stick. Great frame none-the-less. Stupendous spin. Highly maneuverable and swings lovely. Wonderful soft flex. Just preferred the Aeropro to the Exo from the b-line and for nailing winners and putaways.
I myself read posts about the Blade, the 99, the Juice and others. But, my infatuation revolves around the beautiful, precise and perfectly crafted VCORE Tour 97 and the modern, rebelious and spin monster APD.
The Exo Tour is a weird stick, no doubt about that. I can understand why people would not like it.
Ross....at our level, getting the ball back over the net wins matches...not flat winners. More spin = more net clearance = less unforced errors = more wins.
Also remember that what works for one player may not work for another. I feel like you sometimes take too much stock in what others say about certain racquets. If there's one thing I learned with all my racquet testing, its that its a very individual thing and you shouldn't let a few negative comments change your own impressions.
no, dolgopolov does.
Yup! I took the PSL for a hit yesterday and it was great. Didn't bother my back at all which was a huge relief. Ill need another one as a back up for tourneys and such. :razz:
Hey all, just figured incase you guys were shopping that the pink BLX Blade is only $69.00 right now due to their 12 Days of Savings!
I enjoyed my time in cortex land but I'm back with the Prestige S. It was fun while it lasted (a week) but the BD just didn't have the control of the S.
I have an easier time with the the S in producing that driving ball that cuts through the court. Hit with my D1 buddy on Monday and that told me all I needed to know with the BD. Reminded me of Gad's apd summary: it will steal you some points but also give some away.
On the upside, I sold the BD more than I bought it for so alls well that ends well.
what did you guys do when you figure out you are just another hack in the park? I was playing the other day with some people and just felt like i was swinging like another hack. Maybe it was all the cute girls walking around mixed with my bad form.
Anyways. Going out for another hit with the 6.0 PS95. I want a pair of these babies so badly.
EDIT: Concerning the 99s and loopy light balls... Lead Tape and strings. I believe these are required to hit a insanely hefty ball.
I personally want Fuji to test it out at 13oz to see what it can really do. I have a feeling that guy hits like a monster.
Hahaha! I hit a pretty heavy ball. I generate stupid amounts of RHS which may be exactly what the doctor ordered for the 99S. Once I'm able to get my hands on one I'll be more than happy to lead it up and tell you how it goes! Any suggestions on what string I should try?
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