Diary of a Racketaholic

Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Ross K, Sep 11, 2010.

  1. Devilito

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    why not the 94 though? i'd think coming from the small prestige the 94 would be plenty big and feel a bit better.
     
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    PP,

    I emailed samaritan. We'll see how it goes.
     
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    See, I like the current Prestige feeling a lot. I like the PC600 feel more though. But before the Prestige I liked the feeling (comfort and softness) that the Rebel provided but couldn't stand the lack of feedback and general deadness that came with the racquet.

    I want the soft feel but still with plenty of feedback and liveliness. I'm wondering if the Donnay is the frame that has that.
     
  4. Power Player

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    They swing different. The 99 swings like a 94 to be honest. It doesn't feel like a balloon. My original plan was to try the 94, but the 99 was what I was handed and it really surprised me at how it did not swing like a midplus. I also prefer the weight..like I have said, it is exactly the same SW and static weight as the prestige. the 94s get a bit heavier, and that is cool, but the 99 obviously gives me a little wiggle room. I am very strong for a tennis player, but I still prefer my sticks weighing in right around 11.9-12.1, once they go over I notice it.

    I also use more top on my 2hander then I realized. I like to catch the ball on the top of the frame more, if that makes any sense. My 2 hander was flatter with the prestige, and I liked it , but the consistency was not as good. It sucks because I love mids so much, but I have to be real about it. I still think you can play a modern game all day long with the mids, this is just more about my game and what helps me play the most consistent.

    Ryu,

    The Donnay feels more like the Prince then the Prestige to be honest. Well the prince just felt like a giant sweetspot, which creeped me out. The Donnay has better feel then that, and the sweetspot is very satisifying when you ring one up, but it is an insanely comfortable stick that is solid, so there is far less feedback. But the feedback is what gets me sometimes. Off center hits with the pstgt were brutal and the prestige was a lot better in that regard, but now and then I'd feel more than I wanted. With the PC600, the feedback is a nice cracking sound and solid feel. The Donnay is a deeper crack and very very solid, but the feedback is not like the prestige.
     
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  5. ryushen21

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    Interesting thoughts on the Donnay vs. the Prestige. I just hated with the Reb that I could not tell instantly if it was a bad hit or not where as with the Prestige I can tell instantly. If the Donnay can give me that instant feedback but still have a nice soft feel and good response, then I could have a serious dilemma on my hands.
     
  6. Power Player

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    You will get an extremely comfortable hit, and the feedback is nice. I wish I could tell you for sure it is for you, but I can not..its just so personal.

    It's a more muted stick than the prestige. Prestige cracks and Donnay thumps.

    The donnay reminds me of the TGK in that it is very, very, very consistent. You will know exactly what you are getting each shot. It inspires a ton of confidence for me. Definitley flexes like my pro stock racquet..some people hate that, I love it. If you like a stiff hoop like the retail prestige, the donnay is not it. It flexes in the hoop, but I believe for me that is a good thing. I loved it in the TGK as well.

    I am not a racquet maker, but I think with the layup like it is, you can still get a lot of power out of a more flexible racquet this way.

    I would not be surprised if more lower level tour players without a big endorsement dont switch to the Donnays. they definitley play like pro stock racquets, and are real easy on the player.
     
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    Quick question Re Tourbite - how long is the playability on it? I am thinking it could be a good match for the ol Dawn Eh.

    I can't do Tornado..just cant spend 14 on a string..cant do it..lol.

    My short list :

    Black Magic
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  8. JGads

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    ^^
    PP,

    I'm still new to Tour Bite, but knowing the Donnay feel I really think it could be a superb match for it. Might add just the right amount of crunchy grabbiness to counterbalance the Donny softness. Wish I knew about TB when I was still playing around with the Dark Red.

    Anyway, I just came off the court and am feeling like I should be draped in Novak's silky Sergio gear (I like to call it the 'EuroClubbinTennis' look) or something, because I was feeling like the great Nole tonight. Played a solid 4.5er who hits with insane pace and spin and was having a goaty kind of night -- taking those huge shots, absorbing them and just launching the ball back wherever I wanted. This 'absorb-hold-and-now-launch' bliss is a characteristic that's becoming distinctly BC20. Also think it has a lot to do with the Tour Bite settling in after two weeks. I could write poetry about the kind of pocketing I was getting, and heading into this eve, the BC20 was in a narrow lead over my other frames. Now it's feeling like Seabiscuit. I never came close to going to the bag and picking up another frame.
     
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    "Yeaaaaah baaaaby, talk to me"!...

    Grabby, crunching slightly, er, alien technology feel slightly similar to Alu (but unlike Alu where the alien technology is somehow suspect and perhaps wanting to invade your being, TB 'comes in peace') :grin: ... ahem... anyhow, that explosive power and mega-spin/snap back control that makes the ball just plop down a few inches off the b-line with such wonderful regularity - that's why I like Tour Bite:) ... still wonder in fact if that was maybe why I so liked the PC+ Swirly?... it also makes the already addictive to b-line with APD even more addictive too!

    Shall be playing with my TB strung newly modded YTPP in t-minus and 1 hour and 19 mins excatly - LOL! Will be interested to see if I prefer it a bit to the last outing. TBH, on that occassion, it didn't quite have the same x-factor about it in the YTPP as in the Babs I thought.

    BTW, love the Seabiscuit reference... brilliant.:wink:


    R
     
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    Haha great stuff jg the bc20 gets better and better im completely in the zone with it after 6 months!
    Sorted with strings too in TB @58lbs although of late its been difficult as I've been playing indoors and out, hot and cold conditions. Im really surprised when you stick with one racket and string (er shush don't say anything around here :)) how different conditions affect the ball.
    Pyro was talking about kevlar /poly and i played it in the custom vantage so may try it in the bc20 just to give it a whirl. Prob use the softer solinco revolution as the cross.
     
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    Good luck out there, Ross.

    To all of you Tour Biters: high tension or low tension? I went 58 to start buy it's so good now, two weeks in, that I wonder if it's much better at the lower numbers. I know this can be frame dependent, and that PP likes to strong polys in the 40s, but anyone have any input on high vs low tension specifically with TB? Sure I could get some answers by searching, but I'm going to bed so going the lazy route.

    To all -holics I wish a good night, and across the pond, a good hitting day.
     
  12. JGads

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    BTW, Ross, now that I'm thinking about the Seabiscuit ref, I'm also remembering that my first match with the frame I was down 3-6, 2-5 before storming back to win 7-5, 7-5.

    I think I found my name for this thing.
     
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    Tornado can be found for cheaper. Otherwise I wouldn't be considering it as my replacement for BC.
     
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    Oh yeah? Do I need to shop on the bay for some tornado?

    I definitley am going to try some tour bite. It is just getting too much love here.

    And I pretty much have to string the Donnay in the 40s..it is built for full poly at 45-55#s..BUT, recent studies reveal that poly strung under 52#s properly on a constant pull machine extends the playability of the string, and keeps it comfortable for longer.
     
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    Man..??? I can't keep up with you guys....

    Almost like following the stock markets in europe.... :)

    Anyhoot,
    been out on the courts regularly this past week.. since it is 'holy week' here in greece and everything shuts down for about 10days (including my job...YES!!!).... and due to 3days of constant tennis in beautiful weather... I'm comfortable... once again... with my mids.

    I like the adjective PowerPlayer picked to describe the mids ...'honest'.

    It just takes me an hour or so to warm-up, if I haven't played in awhile, constantly want to demo or buy second-hand racquets... but that will never change.

    Keep up the good posts guys... always peeping in every 2days or so.....

    -Klem
     
  16. Ross K

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    Fellow 'Holics,

    Got it wrong earlier, it was actually a newly modded YTPP string with Tornado @ 48s that I brought with me down to Devon here, and that I played with. I also had a set with my "APD Original", as I like to call it.

    To sum up, the YTPP with the new set up was, not surprisingly, a bit hard to get the hang of at times and dial into, it was slightly boardy in sensation too, but I did get into it after a while (kind of.) Basically, it felt like it really launched the ball, (specially off the bh side.) It also displayed the usual traits of responsiveness/feel/touch/solidity/etc. Plus... er... I'm still not getting quite the b-line and serve performance I require :( ... With the APD however, I was settled and doing my b-lline thing pretty much instantly.

    Albeit slowly, the evidence is kind of mounting here, boys.:wink:

    R


    BTW... JG, re TB tensions, it's just so subjective, as well as frame-specific, I can only say 'experiment'... or ask Meaghan, who has checked out the string far more thoroughly than me... For me personally, TB plays GSOAT SENSATIONAL at around 50 lbs in the PC+; very, very nice and addictive indeed in the APD from mid 50 - upper 40's; hmm, okayish in the PPs from mid-50s - upper 40's; and not so great in the TFV02 320 from mid 50's to 50 dead... FWIW, the lower I've gone, I haven't noticed a great deterioration in performance generally speaking. Actually, I intend on stringing lower TBH.
     
  17. Ross K

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    Ha ha, this and JG calling his racket 'Sea-buscuit' are the posts of the day anywhere on TT!:lol:

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  18. Power Player

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    Ross..stick with the APD. It is the obvious choice here. I have followed your excursions enough to feel confident in thinking that you have a winner. Plus it the exact racquet of the world #1..that has to mean something!

    I like how we all kind of found our niche racquets, and they are all different but yet all want to try or are trying Tour Bite..lol.
     
  19. JGads

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    Tour Bite is just the bizz. I just hope arm problems don't arrive. I felt a little touchy the other night, but then it went away and I played last night without really feeling anything. Playing again tonight (Biscuit is waiting patiently in the paddock, nibbling on some hay), which will be three times in four nights, so this will be a good test for any arm soreness.
     
  20. Fed Kennedy

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    This racaholism is starting to melt my brain...I ghoated forth to the finals of a tourney due to a retirement, only to face the one dude who bested me in the opening round robin. I keep messing around and I have no idea what to use! Dude is basically a karlovic, six inches taller than me and 10yrs younger. I might just pull out the 88 and go down swinging.
     
  21. Power Player

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    PSTgt Fed?

    Black is super sick on clay. I am going to be playing on clay more often and the black is perfection for it. Which leads me to ask what surfaces you all play on? It's really a different game on clay, makes the control factor super key in a racquet.
     
  22. Devilito

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    Get ready for the clay!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39MR-RgCzm8

    Don't you just the sound though? The heavy balls being hit with old school graphite strung at like 70 lbs. Sounds awesome
     
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    Man, I miss clay. My knees are currently desperate for clay, as tonight some knee soreness flared up. Think it's tendonitis now. Doesn't feel serious, but tonight was just nagging enough to bother me in a 3-6, 6-3, 4-6 loss (in which I committed the racquetholic crime of switching not once but TWICE because I couldn't get my serve rhythm all evening; evidently it was me, not the racquet, because I struggled with everything. And here I thought I was growing after not switching at all last night.

    Anyway, I learned the game on clay but have been a strictly hardcourter for several years now, as unfortunately that's all there is here in California, unless you want to make a trip out to the Malibu Racquet Club or something and pay a penny.

    And I know this might be the wrong thread, but since we're talking about surface, which is kind of related to footing, any one of you regular 'holics have a shoe you're in love with? I used to just play Wilson Tour Spins but was recommended the Gel Resolutions for cushioning support for my balky knee, and they are extremely cushioned but the darn sides of them - which come up lower than other shoes I've had - keep digging into the bottom of my ankle and it's getting to be a nuisance. The girlfriend apparently has some discount through her work to get shoes at a local KSwiss store, so I may check out some Big Shots or the new black Defiers (I think that's what they're called), which got a great 'doctor's rating' or something from the most recent Tennis Mag for being healthy for the foot/knee.

    And Fed, good luck in the final, buddy. I'd say Pure Storm Tour as well - you never seem to complain about that frame, always good things, and the 88 might be a little bit of a load to always get around in time if the other guy is a big hitter. If he's more of a get-the-ball-back kind of guy, then I'd think about gunning him with the 88. But of course, you know what best fits. Good luck.
     
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    I play on crummy hardcourts almost exclusively, unless I am on vacation. Sometimes I ghoat over to Stanford though, those are nice blue hc with echo sound effects.

    I always get the nadal shoes because I am hard on them and I like getting my $ back in nike dollars.

    I have never taken a SET off this dude, but with this walkover I have time to prepare. He is a big hitter and serves 100 plus with a very high bounce, huge flatty FH, kind of a berdych esque, solid mid 20s 4.5. He is prone to overhitting and his bh is not gbhoat...he uses an xl roddick the way it is meant to be used.

    I took him to a breaker once! (Pstgt btw) And lost it...He then proceeded to routine me 6-2 in like 20 min. Also once prior I was extreminating hard and got to 5 all and the lights cut out. So basically I have no chance. My only hope (I think) is to Ferrer him, which is way out of my comfort zone.

    I'm not sure the racquet really matters in this one.
     
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    Doesnt the mere prospect of playing on clay raise all sorts of racketaholic possibilities? -- tinkering with weight and balance, just maybe getting that old Dunlop/Babolat/Volkl out and giving it another go (it did after all seem better suited to slightly slower conditions than you normally play on) changing strings or tension, different shoes? Of course people will say that what you really need to play on clay are the lungs of a marathon runner, but it is just possible that an adjustment to your equipment may give you a short cut. Time for me to see if I still have those Aerogel 200s lying around in my loft...

    BTW that film of Agassi v Courier brought back good memories. But it looks like the dark ages by comparison with Nadal v Murray last weekend. (Perhaps its time to give the APDGT another look...)

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    Simon,

    Nice to see you posting here. (FYI gents, CC used to be one of main racket 'pushers' a few years back - ha ha! :) ) You know what? I've NEVER played on clay. In fact, are there even any clay courts on London?

    Re the APD, I've actually been playing this on and off for a year or so now. It's such a slow process for me analyzing rackets and testing them out, as I play far less than many poster hereabouts, plus of course I can so easily fall off the wagon:roll: . However, this racket seems to suit me in so many respects, if I had any sense I'd sell everything else and just get 3 of these, and be done with it!

    BTW, Please feel free to post up a few thoughts on that Yonex frame I know you're very happy with. I, and others too I'm sure, would be interested.

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    Clay definitley changes the game a little because of the sliding and how it is not a power game.You need to be consistent and it plays out like a chess match more.

    For clay it is nicer to have a racquet that you can control, but has an open enough pattern for you to be able to hit with plenty of spin. The Black is perfection for it.

    the crazy thing is that Donnay makes an indentical racquet with the exact same specs to the T, but it is stiffer and has an 18x20...is this a hardcourt stick? You could almost use 1 per surface..i feel like that could possibly be advantageous.

    Interesting stuff about cali being all hard courts..I knew there were a lot, but I thought theyd have more clay. A lot of the tournaments here in FL are on clay.
     
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    Love this quote :)

    I usually play on clay about once every six weeks or so. We've got clay down at the coast. I enjoy it but the pace of play is different and you gotta have shoes with good tread. I played last thanksgiving week in my worn out cb 2.3's....not pretty. Like bambi on ice, I couldn't move with no tread left ;)
     
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    Its tough..you need to slide a lot..your racquet swing weight can be different depending on how you play. I know Nadal goes to 355 for clay and down to the 340s in swingweight for hard court.

    It was easy for me to overhit with the power of the PSTgt on clay, I personally like to feel the racquet more on clay and have a little less power. The Black felt so good for clay..super accurate drop shots and very accurate shots on the run.

    I ignored clay for so long, but down here you have to be good on it or you are going to lose a lot of matches. I am considering getting lighter shoes just for clay so I can rotate back and forth between surfaces as well.
     
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    All you people and your "clay this" or "clay that" or "clay is so great." Give it a rest!!!

    Ok, know that the evil, jealous part of me has spoken and the rational, calm part has returned. I'm dying to play on clay. Sure, hard courts are fun but clay looks like it would be awesome. There are a few places here that have clay (but it's green) but they are kind of pricy to play. I've been trying to find somewhere around that has red clay but to no avail.

    I shall continue grumbling on in my miserable lack of clay court fun. At least I have a match this weekend to take my mind off of things.
     
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    Honestly, I prefer hardcourt. I grew up on it and honed my game on it. You will hate your game on clay at first. Your footwork will be horrible, the courts are quieter, the power level is lower.

    But it does reward a guy like me who hits with heavy topspin and can flatten the ball when needed. It actually is probably my better surface if I spend time on it.

    It's not as mid friendly though. Larger racquets are advantageous if you have a 2 hander. 1 hander, you are probably good to go, but the bounces you can get are unpredictable. The coach I hit with was like "stay with the donnays!!" when he saw my Prestiges peeking out of the bag.

    I seriously may go 18x20 on hardcourt..im seriously considering this idea since it can be done with the Donnies.
     
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    I know. It's just one of those things that I want to do it so that I can say that I've done it.

    I'm still searching for an X-Black 94 but there aren't a whole lot out there.

    Did you get my message re Tornado?
     
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    I don't think I did get your message actually, just looked.

    the xblack is a different feel..it's tough to describe, but addictive in a real flexy way. Soooo nice on the arm. I wish you could demo it because that would be the best way to go.
     
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    I may give in and demo it through TW. I'm going to keep my eyes out for one here and on the bay.

    Check your messages again. You should have mail.
     
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    I just love the sliding on clay to stop and change directions. I'm in constant wonderment watching the pros slide around so effortlessly on hardcourts without popping an ankle -- for me there's just no way, or I just don't have the confidence to stop-start like that in transition. On clay I used to be a master at timing out the hit-slide-stop-move-the-other-direction move and it both made things more fun and it's just so much better for the knees, I think, and I'm knee sensitive. Been talking with a buddy about making a day trip out to the Malibu Racquet Club where you can be a non member and pay for one day. Apparently they have every Slam surface except for grass, which I heard is supposedly coming one day), so you can go out and play USO and Aussie Open hardcourt surface, as well as the red clay.

    In Palm Springs they have an insanely nice Marriott that has a tennis club with a grass court on it. I was there with my girlfriend one weekend and brought my stick along because I was going to just bite the bullet and shell over the 75 bucks or so for a 45 minute hit on the grass with the local pro, since it was my lone chance to play on the surface. My plan was to do it the last morning we were there before driving back to LA. So I call ahead that morning to confirm and I'm told the following awful, dream-killing sentence: "Oh, sorry, we're actually fertilizing today."
     
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    Oh man..I have never hit on grass either.

    Clay is real good on the knees. I have been learning right when to slide and how to do it properly, and it makes a lot of sense now. I was hitting point point DTLs and cross courters when I had the opening with the Black.

    Had an ah ha moment on the backhand as well. I would say my backhand looks like Deviltos now except I was taking it back to far. If you look at his, he takes it back perfectly, not too far, just enough to drop into the slot and rip it.

    I was doing this yesterday while sliding into the shot and it was a pretty blissful experience.
     
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    PP,

    That other Donnay you're talking about with the 18x20: the Platinum? I'd be in racquetholic denial if I didn't admit that that new release didn't catch my eye, as the specs are lovely (18x20 in a 99 frame could be perfect). I just don't know if I can ever get comfy enough with the Donnay softness/flexiness, though I HEARD that the Dual Cores apparently feel a touch stiffer. If that would be the case then I'd have to try it since the Dark Red was so darn close to perfection. If that's the frame of which you speak, and you get a chance to hit with it, let me know.
     
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    Yes it is. It is the exact same specs as the black except stiffer and 18x20. So I could easily use both if I wanted to. I could see how the platinum could be a complete beast on hardcourts, but I also am good with the Black as well.

    I love the flexiness..it is so controllable and easy on the joints. I'm most likely going to buy another black, but using the platinum on hardcourts is an exceptionally devious idea that I am considering.

    Regardless, I am sold on the donnays. SO good for full poly at lower tensions..just unreal control and comfort for me. I can very easily see how someone who likes stiffer racquets would not dig the feel, but for me it is old school bliss. I feel like I am going to war with an old Prince graphite again.
     
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    Ross

    You are dead right -- I have sold a few class A rackets on these boards. Mostly through the old and lamented UK TTRH thread.

    I don't know of any red clay courts in North London. There are lots in South London at places like the Sutton Tennis academy (or so I believe). There are green clay courts at the Westway if you ever get over there. You have to play under the A40 but you will get a sense of what playing on clay is like. I mainly play on red clay on holiday, though I did spend a week at Equelite, the JC Ferrero tennis academy, a couple of years ago where I played on the slowest clay courts I have ever come across. To make things even more demanding the wind was up most of the week so we watered the courts very frequently to stop the top dressing blowing away. This made them even slower. My recollection of the week is that I ran and ran (but I also learned never to give up the baseline, never to make a mistake, and to come in to finish the point at the first sniff of an opportunity -- they just come around too seldom). It is a fantastic surface to play on in many ways. It makes you play with a lot of variety and hit combinations wherever you can. A single shot will rarely get it done in the way that it can on a hard court and it tends to work against players with a single strength -- big serve or big forehand. Above all you have to be adaptable. There are so many things that can throw you off balance or out of your rhythm.

    As to the Yonex VCore 95D, I was lukewarm to start with. I always hope that Yonex will bring back some mighty baseline spin and power monster like the RD7. They haven't with the 95D, but once I got over being disappointed in that and started to concentrate on what the racket is I have really got into it. It is a very versatile racket if you want to hit with power and spin off the ground and in your serves. The "D" is for "drive" but while the racket is powerful it isnt only a flat ball stick. I have been hitting a lot of very powerful spin with it on both sides (and I have a one hander) and on serves. It isnt a great volleying stick -- perfectly ok but not great. Everything else it does very well and the feel, once you get used to it, is much more pleasing than something like the APDGT which is a close competitor for the 95D. If you like to play with slashing strokes it may not be right for you. But if you like to really work the ball and dont like the APDGT feel then this is an excellent racket.

    Leaving tennis aside, and thinking about sport-a-holics I spent a very interesting day on a shooting range near Carlisle yesterday with a party of black powder shooting enthusiasts. Now, they have the bug very bad indeed. If we were like them we would be making our own strings and balls, let alone messing with the weight of our equipment.

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  40. Chace

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    PP, I am a long time POG mid user. How would you say the black compares to the POG in terms of feel. Is it similar?
     
  41. Power Player

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    Somewhat..the Prince cracks the ball more and the Donnay thuds it. Love the POG, but the Donnays feel old school and play a lot better.
     
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    I will have to give the Black a demo. Thanks for the info.
     
  43. Ross K

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    Yes, cc, the very first, original, banned UKRHs was of course the best.:wink:

    Re clay courts, though a late-comer to tennis, no, I certainly never encountered any in n. London. Fascinating to hear of some of your experiences and thoughts though. I'd like to go on one of these tennis holidays in places like Spain I sometimes see advertized in tennis mags, and see if I could hold my own away from the hardcourts.

    Ta for 95D comments. About the RD7, you know how highly I rated that. It's definitely on my GROAT list. And incidentally, I had a recent 3 weeks or so 'dalliance' with the Pure Control + Swirly, a frame that has several similar traits to the "ol' spin master", and heft aside, I absolutely loved it... you know it absolutely amazes me how so many of these frames don't just naturally deep kaboom that b-line without science conventions on best ways to customize, or insane string combos and extreme low tensions, or months of stroke-grooving, and yet I pick up a PC+, an RD7, a Reb 95, an APD, an N95/PSC, or whatever, and within 2 minutes - bingo!... heavy, deep, spinny, bullying kabooming ball peppering that b-line! If I could quite fathom the common denominator here - quite what it is that links all these frames that I'm seeming to respond so well to - it would probably assist my RH quest...

    Anyhow, as I was referring to yesterday, I'm fast becoming tired of the continual tinkering and experimenting and not quite getting what I want (exhibit a: the Prestige Pro)... might have to just settle down with that APD.:)

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  44. klementine

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    I was following the discussion about clay courts... and only having played on them a handful of times... I wanted to ask the forum a quick question....

    Here on the island (corfu), there is an outdoor tennis lawn club ( a big thank you to all the brits on the boards..Ross :smile: ) that the british built and dates back to 1894... back then it was all grass.

    But considering the high maintenance costs of grass courts.... the locals had an astro-turf substance installed... carpet??? Not quite sure what underneath the carpet surface... but on top they regularly throw sand on the surface.... YES SAND...

    Has anyone else played on such as hybrid court?

    It is rather 'funky'.. it has all the characteristics of carpet or artificial turf... high bounce... speed... but with the addition (thanks to the sand) of being able to slide... It is rather comfortable on the knees... I'm guessing whatever is underneath it is probably not making contact with cement.

    If you thought clay was difficult to get out of a racquet... sand is worse... it gets in every crevice of the frame.. i've resorted (when changing grommets) to using a blow dryer to force the particles out when the frame is bare.
     
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    We have them at our club they are all weather omni turf courts. The sand protects them i think. When its coming through yes its slippery and is the cause of a number of accidents as they are not meant to slide. If the sand is coming thro and they are slippery they probably need charging. We have six courts two of which need to be relayed. They have both had sand added and compressed into the courts. They are playing much better but it won't last. This is the cheaper short term answer as new courts relayed with cost thousands....
     
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    Ahaha all weather astro courts are really common in UK! Given the shocking weather of course..
     
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    I used to play football on artificial turf and we used sand to deaden the bounce. Dont know whether something similar is advisable on the tennis courts. The ones at my club have a low skiddy bounce a bit like playing on real grass. But other than that playing on them bears little resemblance to playing tennis.

    As to playing on a real grass court, where I grew up everyone had one in their back garden. The problem was, and it didnt matter how much you spent on them, they were hardly ever playable because unless you cover them they are always damp -- at least they are if you live in the North of England. And then when you got a really hot summer they burnt to a frazzle because of all the drainage that had been put in to try to make them playable in the damp, and becuase the idea of a sprinkler was unheard of.

    The other type of court we used to have was shale. That was an English version of clay. In our constantly wet climate to play on them was a little like playing in wet cement.

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  48. Meaghan

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    Shale is the worst surface ever. Ball bounces all over the place due to the crap underfoot.

    As for the omni courts the sand was taken out of our two top courts and they are extremely playable now. They are being relayed next year.
     
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    Meaghan: By 'relayed', do you mean re-surfaced?

    There are a couple of clay courts which I have access to. Players there really like them because of their slowness and bounce (unless they hit the tape.) I learned to slide and play on them, but prefer Hard Courts because it is easier to put balls away.

    Keep up this discussion as it is interesting in a 'Seinfeld' manner.
     
  50. Power Player

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    Yes it is tough to put balls away on clay as fast. I am learning how to do it more consistently, but you have to think a few strokes ahead compared to hardcourt. You also want to avoid hitting down the middle of the court as much as possible, which sometimes can work ok on hard court. If you can hit with heavy spin and consistently hit over the net, you are on your way..the footwork is what will get you if you are new to clay.
     

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