Diary of a Racketaholic

Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Ross K, Sep 11, 2010.

  1. Power Player

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    I played with the Team stock today again and its only 314 grams..lol. But I played the same as normal. I actually found it to be very easy to serve. It was easier to get a full racquet drop and swing back up to contact. Basically when this happens, I can serve with big pace regardless of racquet weight..

    I just put 4 grams at 12 and 5 grams in handle so it is 323 now. Nothing too crazy just yet. I want to see if it likes lead better at 12 or at 3 and 9.

    I can't say that my game went up multiple levels or anything, but I will say that it was easily as good as normal if not a little better. So yes, I think the light racquets can be rather awesome. The Blade was the stick that made me realize an even balanced 11.5ish stick is rather awesome, and the Team is showing me the same thing at an even lighter weight.

    The main difference is the balls are not as heavy. But tennis is easier. So I am thinking I can get the heavy balls back possibly even at this weight, as the Blade hits a big ball in stock form. Either way it is a fun experiment.

    The one thing I realzed is that if I serve better with a lighter stick like a stock Blade or light Team, that is where I need to be specwise. My groundies are ahead of my serve, and if I can get my serve going, i don't care if the racquet is light or not.
     
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    ^314 with og and damp?

    That's just crazy. Crazy. I go crazzzyyyyyea. Sorry, heard that aerosmith song on the radio somewhere today.
     
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    You beat me to the punch. Couldn't agree more with the above. It's those little half volleys, scoops, blocks, slice shots where mass keeps the ball deep and the opponent back. Very much a plus-minus thing and one has to figure out what's best for their game.

    Interested to see which you like better - lead at 12 or 3/9. I usually ALWAYS prefer 12 but tried the 3/9 and liked it so much I never got around to trying the 12.

    Random note: last night a lovely woman on the next court was hitting so hard (harder than her dude hitting partner) she snapped a string and started cursing when she did. This was one of the hottest things I've ever seen.
     
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    Yeah, a lot of my holic activity is driven by back and forth swings, trying to figure out what's best for my game, or most fun. So I go from my standard setup of 12 ounce, 320 swingweight to 12.5 ounce, 340 swingweight to see how epic plow and slice backhands that don't bounce works for my game. Then I remember that forehand I smoked with a 10.5 ounce, evenly balanced, 300 swingweight Donnay White and starting messing around with lightweight sticks. Then I recall the easy power and spin, on serve and forehand both!, I got out of 320 grams, 32 cm, 305 swingweight (but a 26.5" frame, so the effective swingweight, in terms of plow, was 321) and think that's my true future. And around and around I go.
     
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    That's awesome!

    Reminds me, ~ a month ago at the indoor courts, 4 women walk in on the courts next to my wife and I. All very good looking and in shape, brunettes. They just start warming up in a machine like manner, perfect strokes and not one ball long, not one miss, all were hitting out before 5 minutes were up.

    So I ask the lonely man who walked in with them and is now sitting on the bench, 'are they on a high school team or something?', they looked younger than their age. He replied, 'no, they all played in college, they're all sisters, two are twins and I'm married to one of them'.

    It was like a very good, adolescent dream or something, watching these very attractive women, 4 sisters, hitting like champs. Luckily, I've become quite the expert on checking out women while in the presence of my wife. The trick is get her to look in the same direction. ;)
     
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    Yeah, I think you have to base it on serve. That is the what got me into the Blade in the first place.

    If I need to use a 320ish racquet because I serve better with it, so be it.

    Ironically, I too saw a really hot girl at the courts Mikeler and I frequent. Rare sighting, but she was younger, awesome bod and killer eyes. She had a real nice bag and unfortunatley I did not get to see her hit, but really, who cares about that.lol.
     
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    Golden Gate Park sometimes hosts the USF Women's team and their opponents. Berkeley and Stanford are also nearby (40 min max.) Very easy to fall in 'love' but fortunately I'm an old fart and can only dream. :oops:

    It's a problem. I totally understand lighter vs heavier SW because I'm switching back and forth between 335 and 340 SW sticks. If I find myself over hitting, then it's time for the 340. If I'm late, then I use the 335.
     
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    If you can let go of having the "heavy ball", light sticks can really be beneficial. Now the PSTeam stock is just too light for me. I know this because I was early on a lot of groundies. But, I didnt see it and say "I need to add gobs of lead immediately". In fact, I have added less than 10 grams and I have a feeling it could play incredibly well like this.

    The weird thing is even with the stick being 314, I hit a few forehands that were still really heavy. The flat serves I hit best were just as hard as with anything else. When you keep your stick lighter, your kick serves will be sick as well.

    The tough part about is that you can give an equally convincing argument for the benefit of heavy specs. That is why I think many of us have gone back and forth.
     
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    Why not just get the the regular Pure Storm instead of the team? It's a little over 11 oz. stock and plays great with just a little lead in the handle.
     
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    ross and fellow RHs, with all this talk about the pure storm team and extended sticks, the new yonex vcore xi team plus is intriguing...
     
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    Good question because I thought about this. The Team is a different mold and is a little easier to mod since the SW is lower. It also sticks out to me among the Pure Storm line because it feels a little softer and doesnt vibrate on a mishit like other Pure Storms do. Its a pretty unique racquet - real tight pattern, 100 size, thin beam. Hits really solid for it's weight like the Blade does, but it is a platform stick.
     
  13. Ross K

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    Yes, I was on/off using APD Originals for 2 years. Haven't checked the latest APD, but I can never rule the Aeropro D out simply as I'm so familiar with it and it suits my playing tendencies. However, I've always had slight issues with it, which is why I moved on to the Juice 100, and now 99s.

    Re the Pure Control, it's a frame I've also long had 'a bit of thing' for (LOVED the Swirly + but too much stick for me.) Just something about the boxy solid hoop and baseline control and responsiveness. It's like I so remember years back getting the original Pure Storm Tour (carbon Extreme version) having before that been a PD+ user, and just thinking 'wow, this is MUCH more like it.' They all (PCs, PSTs) have a certain slight clunkiness, which can be off-putting. But I know when you're attuned to them swing-wise, these are richly rewarding racs IMO.

    Anyhow, I recently acquired a PC Swirly standard that's giving me plenty to think about. And what's noteworthy here is I also have a PC Team (2003 version, 10g lighter than Swirly), I thankfully never sold off, so I'm in process of comparing the 2 and determining if one suits me better than the other... but I haven't given up on the 99s. Still finding my feet here, S. A pretty unique frame experience altogether.

    ... or wear dark sunglasses. :)

    I'll read up on it, arrow.:wink:
     
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    My feeling is that the APD will still be top of the heap when the Juice and the Steam are distant memories. It is just a much better racket. It doesn't do everything better than anything else, but it does most things better. And it gets better the better player you are. Reading these posts I see that lots of people resist it -- it doesnt do things they like to do as well as something else. I can see that. And it is stiff. But if your elbow can handle it most people who have good modern strokes will play better with it. I can also see that there are people who prefer not to play the modern game. There is even a thread in another forum about whether the modern game exists. This seems to be based on a misconception about the nature of the term "modern". Nonetheless I can't see why you would, in the long term and leaving aside the need for experimentation, prefer the Juice or Steam to the APD.
     
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    Not sure I agree with that, the apd is a world beater sales wise and for some people it's a great stick, but I've owned six of them over the years and the woofers combined with that flimsy feeling handle just don't work for me:)

    I got sucked back in For a week after that play test in December but came to my senses quickly.
     
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    I'll have to keep an eye out for the Prince bag. Was it around 6 PM? I think I may know who you are talking about.
     
  17. Ross K

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    Much better out there today with the 99s. And I must say suddenly I'm getting weary of the frame swapping and mental torture.

    Time to buy no.2 and just focus on the Steam? Hmm, I've had worse ideas.:)
     
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    Let me know if you find out. She was really cute. It was actually closer to 7. there is a women's league that plays then I think.

    My friend was unleashing some serious bombs with the Juice Pro last night. I was amazed on the ones I could get back because the Team didn't get "pushed around".
     
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    Also have to say I disagree with the Babolat being the racquet for people who play "the modern game". You can play the modern game with any stick besides wood really.

    The APD is best for players who like to brush the ball. That's really it. That is why it has so much power and is so stiff. I play open stance with lots of top, and that's pretty much all the modern game is. In fact to me, the modern game is simply taking the Agassi style of hardhitting baseline play and adding more spin to it so your balls stay in.

    I have been playing that style of tennis since I was a junior, the only thing that has changed is the strings are a lot better for higher level players. That is why for me, the closed pattern is so good. If you know what you are doing, you can lift the ball as high as you want over the net and hit deep topspin balls. But you can also hit through the court and finish off points with laser flat balls. It's the best of both worlds for me.

    But anyway I preferred the steam 99s to the APD because it has a better feel to it and is weighted better for me. I think they are both very similar though.
     
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    That's an interesting point of closed vs open patterns. BTW, I agree with you re the apd and the steam, prefer the feel and balance of the Steam.

    Other than Novak and Delpo, I think the rest are all using open patterns. Not totally sure re Ferrer and Gasquet but I think both are open as well. **Is Tipsey's T fibre an 18X20 or open?

    Either way, it's interesting to watch the evolution happen. I wonder what the top guys will be using in 10 years as the current crop of juniors comes up with Bab's and what not.



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    Yeah many pros use open patterns it seems like, but there is a nice balance. And then you have the current king - Joker, using a tight pattern with a very soft flex, and he looks unbeatable hitting line drives with that western grip.

    Open patterns help you get net clearance so I think that is the main reason a lot of pros use them. Hitting the net is the worst error in tennis.
     
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    Anyone tried the Volkl C10 Pro? Impressions?
     
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    I could feel the racket flex...a lot. Not a sensation I enjoyed.
     
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    For the PP and other closed pattern fans-just saw that TW posted their written review of the Head Graphene Speed Pro-really high marks. Interesting that Andy said he got as much spin with this as the APD. May need to give it a demo.
     
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    Agree. Nice frame, easy pop, but some Volkls are just too noodley for my taste.
     
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    Yep, glad I can't feel that same sensation with the Exo Tours.
     
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    Yep, nice mix of closed patterns vs open patterns on tour. 6 top10er's are swinging open patterns and 4 closed patterns. That seems like a good indication for the rest of the field as well, probably close to 60% open and 40% closed.

    It would depend on what you like to do with the ball and from where, but more important for me, and why I go 18x20 usually is 1.) don't have to string as often and 2.) String choices open up. I can go full multi/gut if any part of my body is bugging me.

    It's interesting though. Both patterns perform better in different situations/shots but I never leave 16x19's and go back to 18x20's thinkin'..'this is terrible, I can't play'. It's more along the lines of... 'shoot, there goes another string job or I want a full bed of gut/multi'.
     
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    Hi B.

    You're talking about one of my all time fav frames actually.

    As referred to by others, it's chief trait for many is the soft flex. "Think" deep pillowy pocketing. FWIW, this can be addressed to some degree, if you so desire, by using full poly.

    For me though, it's just the fantastic way it swings, the balance and weighting. There's something about it in this respect that makes it stand out. The sense of timing the ball, rhythm, being in sync, fluidity of swinging, whatever, is what I always get with this rac. I always compare it it to a very high end, high performance racing car going through the gears. It just swings so beautifully IMO.

    Other aspects I'd cite is the excellent 'old school' quality build composition. It's solid. There's great feel and touch. Serve-wise I think it's quite a kick serve frame. It's low-medium power. And, unlike some, I always thought it was pretty whippy.

    Anyhow, it's a special frame in my book, and if you think it might be something you need to investigate, I'd highly recommend checking it out.

    BTW, I'm talking about the older Bumblebee version (pre-Fishscale, about 2008, I think), but I hear the more recent iterations are just a tad stiffer but barely any different.
     
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    PP, others,

    Just thinking about the Blade here (open pattern), one spec that stands out for me (as in an alarm bell starts ringing), is the 1pt head-light balance. What's the story with that? How does it swing for you guys?

    Given how I'm liking the Pure Control so much latterly (BTW, I'm talking more now not of the heftier Swirly but of the later and lighter PC Team (W: 335, SW: 327, B: 7 pts h/light, RA: late 60's (or so), S/P: 16X20, H/S: 98" )... I suppose I'm wondering how it might compare.

    Suspect it would be a tad too demanding. Maybe like the Prestige Pro was - a frame I really liked and slightly toiled with until admitting defeat. You never know though.:wink:
     
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    I picked up some new "light" frames from a girl that trained at the IMG Academy. She plays unreal Div 1 tennis, (and she even asked me to hit with her once my injuries are healed up! ;) )

    Anywho, codename "Light" is in full effect starting Monday to test the waters! Hopefully I get some enlightenment with these frames!

    -Fuji
     
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    It swings through great as long as you are around 335 weight range or less. Just more weight going into the head so you can really hit a big ball and still have a lighter racquet. Honestly think you will dig it.
     
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    I don't agree. The modern game isn't about the angle you attack the ball at. It is about how you win points. What you can do with the APD is very different to what you could do with most rackets even ten years ago -- there may have been exceptions like the RD7. High level tennis is now played with lighter rackets that can do far more than the heavier rackets we used to play with. And the rackets that look like the ones we used to play with now perform completely differently. The current Head Prestige mid is, superficially, similar to older versions. But in reality it is a different stick altogether. To me this is all to the good. The professional game is much better than it was in the 90s and early 2000s. And amateurs from serious players to weekend warriors now have for more solutions to their game based problems than they did 15 years ago.
     
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    It's really not that different man. It's not a magic racquet. It's a power stick for people that brush the ball. So in that aspect it's more modern, but pretty much every top player is using a 10 year old frame and they are doing things to the ball that defy logic because they are the best in the world. It's more about the poly strings than racquets becoming lighter and stiffer. Poly changed the game more than any racquet.
     
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    Forgot to add that the Team plays pretty well with lead at 12. It is 325. I think the way to go though is to add 6 grams in the head at 3 and 9 and 7 in the tail. At that point it will be a little closer to the blade's power.

    Currently is not as powerful or solid as the blade, but it has that "extension of the arm" feel to it. The multi in it really does not do the racquet much justice as it's probably low tension by now and is a little launchy.

    Such a cool stick really. I definitely may put one in the bag next to the blades. I switched back and forth today and since they are so close in weight and balance, I had no issues.
     
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    You know, it seems to me that maybe YOU should be playing with the new APD?!

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    Fancy it?

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    Ha. One of my all time favorite Rafa pics.
     
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    Lol..you can just hear him saying..."no?".
     
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    I would love to. Every so often I buy a Babolat - either the APD or the PDR -- and play with it for a while. Unfortunately my elbow and wrist find both rackets difficult to play with. Ever since I played the Tour 90 and then the Diablo mid for a while five years or so ago I have had elbow and wrist problems. But while I play the Babs I love what they do for my game. Granted the feel isn't the same as a Pestige and you don't get lovely things like "ball pocketing" from them. On the other hand the power and spin, and the way that you control power with spin, and the type of shots that you can hit, are of a different order. What they give you more than anything is a better ability to turn defence into attack which is what so much of the game is about as you get better. But of course I can see that for most older plays - and I am one - they are a shock and a challenge at a number of levels. A guy I play with regularly was one of the best juniors in Europe twenty something years ago. When he plays with the PDR his game is amazing. But he doesn't like the feel - what he calls loss of control - and so most of the time he plays with a Volkl Organix 10 light. At which point he is easy to play against. And the idea that he loses control is nonsense. What he means is that the racket doesn't give him the feel of being in control in the same way. I am not knocking him for his choice - he knows what he feels comfortable playing with and that is an important factor. But he is looking for reasons to play with a racket that gives him less game.

    I have to play with something softer so the Mantis 315 or the latest Prestige mid are what I go to court with. The Head is a very interesting racket because it bears little relation to previous versions of the mid. It has been adapted for the modern game. If you hit the ball right you can get huge power and spin on it. And of course as PP points out the strings make a big difference.

    What I don't understand though is the view that the modern game is nothing more than about brushing up the ball - with the implication that there is something almost illusory about it or that it has always been there -- see John Yandell's posts on this forum -- when you look at the efforts that the racket industry has gone to to emulate the Babolats. The Wilson Steam and Juice are just two examples of how all the major manufacturers are trying to catch up. At present though they are miles behind.
     
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    I never said the modern game was nothing more than brushing up the ball. I said the APD is meant for that style.

    What I am saying is that the APD has not changed the game of tennis like you infer. The poly strings have. Poly plus good footwork and technique allows you to hit more aggressive on defensive balls and attack when you could not in the past.

    Honestly am not sure how the Steam and Juice are miles behind.

    My Dad's Wilson Hammer was out way before Babolat existed. So was the Spaulding Assault. The Pro Kennex Destiny, Jimmy Connor's Pro Estusa (had one) and many more. It's a Pro Kennex Mold basically with an aero neck.

    I do think the APD is a very modern racquet in terms of design, and I have used the heck out with good results. Just don't think of it on the level you are placing it on. I stood with Bad Call and Mikeler and watched 2 top 500 guys play. One with the Bab APD and one with the yy 95D. The APD guy came over the ball more and as a result did not have a ton of pace, but had high kicking balls.

    The 95D player had trained for those balls for years and would just get off the ground and hit line drives to take over the point. And this was on clay. The APD guy simply could not hit through the ball enough to do any damage, and this guy was really good at tennis, as in - he would bludgeon us all to death out there.
     
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    Yes, it's real shame that the comfort levels (or lack thereof) just makes these frames no-go areas for many.

    I actually liked and played pretty well with the PD 2012. It was too stiff though. Don't know what poly exactly would be soft enough to make it feel better whilst still maintaining spin, oomph, control, etc, but, yes... and to contradict that ridiculous thread about how can anyone play a PD, that I won't even lower myself to post on... the PD, the APD - these are great rackets.

    BTW, for me, the J100 and 99s both have better feel than APD and PD. Which along with a few other things is why I transitioned to them.
     
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    I don't think that the racket has changed the game. I think that the game has changed and the APD is the best thing for it. Of course, as you point out, it doesn't make you invincible. There are always better players than you. And other manufacturers have adapted some of their offerings well. Yonex is a good example. The 95D has a lot going for it.
     
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    Why do you think the APD is better than the Head Extreme, Wilson Pro Open/Juice/Steam, Pure Drive, Prince Warrior..etc? Just curious, because there are a ton of sticks in this category now and I was wondering what makes you think the APD is so much better. Honestly the Tec Tfight 320 to me was just as good if not better for that style of play.

    Small holic moment. I realize from using Babo 1/4 gripsize that I should buy all my racquets in that size. The Blade handle feels a little bigger than I prefer now, but it's not too bad. Just something I am realizing.

    The Pure Storm handle is super similar to the wilson. Which is interesting since the Pure Drive and APD are more rounded. Just another reason I like the Pure Storm series. Box beam, control, tight pattern..it does not surprise me that a hardcore Wilsonite in Sampras has dallied with the Tour version.
     
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    Ross, how's it going with the 99s. I am back and forth on it lately. It seems to be hard to control at times. I also like to drive the ball more than brush it so much, so I'm not sure now if its the best stick for me? I seem to play better and more consistent with my Dunlop 200g.
     
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    I think you get incredible control, with tremendous shot making ability, with excellent power. I agree that the Tec 320 is a good racket. If you like to hit the ball hard and play on a hard court it is pretty good. But I don't think it, or the others that you mention, give a player such a variety of things to do with the ball. The Head Extreme for example is a powerful and forgiving hard court stick. That isn't a bad thing at all, but it doesnt enhance your options in anything like as many ways as the APD.
     
  45. Ross K

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    +2 here on this. Def my preferred grip size.

    Yes, up and down for me, though last outing saw things improve somewhat. Still a few things I need to iron out. I will be playing comparing it next week against the PC Team (both with TB in the late 40's) that I seem to like, but for rather different reasons.
     
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    I will be entering the Steam room very shortly. I have a Steam 99s on the way as a devout racketaholic it seemed wrong not to at least try it out. Quite honestly I probably wouldn't have pulled the trigger if I had known how well the Graphene Speed Pro was going to work out. Probably the best stick since the Prestige for me in terms of how it works for my game. Directional control, depth, weight of shot and spin are all there in spades on groundies and serving is very easy as it comes through the air incredibly quick. No matter whether you are going to hit a flat heater up the t or kick it out wide all is done with surgical like precision. I think what attracts me to it so much is that is not a great departure from my Prestige pro but comes in a more forgiving easier to use package. Fans of the Blade will no doubt like this stick as it offers a lot of the same traits.

    **Side note** Gads/Mad Dog's TB/Iontec Hexa Hybrid is a phenomenal combo. Never tried the poly/poly hybrid before but I am really impressed. The Hexa takes the harshness out of the TB without losing any of the spin/control. I think TB might pair well with Polybreak as a cross as well and will try this next.


    Gads,

    How did the Sonic Pro Edge play test turn out? Initial thoughts were positive just wondering if there are any updates on this?
     
  47. mad dog1

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    yep. glad someone finally decided to try my recommendation. it's a pretty awesome hybrid. :cool:

    just got back from hitting w/ Gads today. Gad's Sonic Pro Edge playtest lasted all of 5-6 hours before the strings died. played great initially but then just like regular Sonic Pro the tension started dropping and the string stiffened up and felt like it turned into steel wire. great string...for 5 hrs... :evil:
     
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  48. JGads

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    My man, so many goodies in that post.

    Speed Pro: nice. Sounds lovely. Would love to hit this stick to see what it's like. Epic specs, save for the stiffness? How's it feel? Like a 66? Hollow? Full?

    TB/hexa: NICE. Welcome. It's an incredible setup in the right frame. Credit goes to MD for the discovery. It's been my go-to in Zeus whilst I've tried out other setups in my other frames. Thus far, it's No. 1 in softer feeling frames for me. ...

    Sonic Pro Edge: nothing to see here, move along. Epic first hit, all downhill from there - it's a really powerful string but after the initial hit I lost more and more ball feel, the string got too powerful for me and by hour 4 it was a nightmare.

    The OTHER trial stringbed, Super Smash Orange - awesome. It's extremely 4G like but with slightly better feel (especially after break in period of an hour or two). Extremely controlled. And just like 4G, it's getting better by the hour , not worse. Very confidence inspiring string. And at the awesome price (four pack for 16 bucks!?) I just got a four pack to experiment with ogsm as a cross and maybe some other setups down the road.
     
  49. crosscourt

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    Just on the grip size the Bab grips always seem to come up slightly bigger than others. Is that the shape -- it isn't the Syntec grip because I change them -- or is there some variation in how you measure? This has always perplexed me. And I can see that the difference, if there is one, must be tiny. But it can feel like a real difference.
     
  50. Ross K

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    Not sure why. Maybe that's the answer? I do know years of playing Babs has got me grooved to liking their grips. Prince I like too. The newer slight flare thing going on with Wilson racs is also a nice new development IMO. Head, TF, Volkl, I always find require quite some adjusting to.
     

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