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Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Ross K, Sep 11, 2010.

  1. Hewex

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    Funny story about the POG. I just ordered one through my pro who has a Prince account. He said the rep told him that POG's are flying out by the hundreds. I have no reason to doubt him since he wouldn't be pushing people to buy POG's.
     
  2. Ross K

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    Morning guys,

    Talking of Prince frames, any of you played these newish Exo racks?... Pro, Tour, Light, Team (something like that)? I was big into the Reb 95 a few years back, and just wonder if there's something similarly solid, powerful yet control orientated, but also in an open pattern... anyone hit with these and care to share a thought or two?

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    EXO3 Tour 18x20 is so much fun on groundstrokes. Does everything so easily. But serving, the frame just died on me. IG Speed 16x19 was like having the EXO in hand again, only with better feel and a MUCH easier time of it on serve.

    (yes, I'm going to keep complimenting the IG until you demo it) (BUT, I'm also with the others in thinking that maybe you should just stick with the AeroPro, as you always fall back to it and enjoy what you get)
     
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    I tried the exo3 tours, they are really nice. Little bit nicer feel and pj than the older models. They're super easy to use. Struggle a little bit to get that raw power from them. They have excellent control once you get used to the super cush feel. Really fast through the air. Tons of spin.
    I'm playing too much dubs, it's messing with my head, I would really like to play this in dubs, but in singles I miss the BCF (ball crush factor) of a heavy rac.
     
  5. Ross K

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    JG,

    Just done some post/thread reading and it seems the Exo Tour 100 16x19 might be of potential interest to me. Hard to be sure, of course. One post likened it to a softer feeling PD and said it was very spinny and powerful. Maybe a bit like the TF 320 in performance?... (BTW, on a side-note here, funnilly enough, though I've played it a few times now and with different set ups etc, I've yet to quite find the desired heaviness of ball with the TF 320, though leaded right, I'd quite possibly find it. But for me the TF, though very spinny, which I like, it sometimes lacks a bit of depth and penetration, and coughs up a bit shy. Think YT Rad Pro - but a Rad Pro that's been been busted for illegal steroid use and now plays 'unassisted' and therefore weaker.:roll: Whatever. For some reason I appear to be able to access the type of penetrating, bullying b-line ball better with the APD than the TF, though they do share a fair few similarities. Mind you, for bullying b-line kaboom balls, that PC+ Swirly is an absolute military weapon.:cool:)

    Re the IG 16x19, I'm trying to get hold of one in a trade or some such, but demoing in the UK is pretty much a rarity. I also don't feel so compelled to just pull the trigger and take a chance (though I may have done with the Donnay X Blue, er, until I heard you can't get them at all in England :( .) So, I usually get around to hitting with these frames, but it could be a while.:wink:

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  6. Fed Kennedy

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    I am seeing this trend of thin beam 100 si sticks (prince, donnay, speeds). Is this the future of racquet design?
     
  7. Ross K

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    Interesting. As I think I've learnt with the Pres Pro though, I personally need a bit of power assistance.:wink:

    Think I know what you mean re dubs/singles/liking different kinds of frames for both. TBH, my dubs play can be woeful, and I've long noticed it's an area where the worst aspects of being a racketaholic are graphically and even embarrassingly revealed.:oops:

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    I think it may be. The flexible sticks feel a lot better, and the thin beam gives you a feeling of being able to do anything you want.

    The Black continues to deliver on both sides for me. Really enjoyable control..in a different way then the prestige..the Black you can control with spin because it reacts so well to it..very forgiving. The Prestige is more of a point and click racquet. The Black is more of a touch racquet (perfect for lobs and dropshots), and is even better the PSTGT by a small margin for that. I think with the pure storm and now the black, you should be able to hit about any shot you want for any style. Really good if you hit deep looping defensive shots on the run sometimes because they will drop in more often and in better positions due to the extra touch. I am hitting real deep crosscourt backhands better if pulled wide, I think that is because I can feel the shot more. If I wanted, I can hit moonballs that will bounce in and then very high off the back fence. I know because I had to try a few throughout the day..lol.

    The black is real quiet when you brush the ball or hit touch shots, but it has a nice deep crack when you rip it. It is very dynamic.

    So these are my ongoing thoughts as I play the stick for anyone wondering. I am real happy with it. It is like driving a sports car. The flex of the stick seems to improve consistency, but it also hits with power. Just do not think the flexy feel is for everyone, but the sweetspot is extremely satisfying.
     
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    T minus 27 days until new stick :p
     
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    I bet you will switch before me. Seriously...I like these sticks a lot.
     
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    haha yeah? maybe. Outdoor season is starting and today was my first day out. Indoor is so fast and precise and the 85 are ideal. Now the conditions feel so erratic with the sun and wind and considerably slower. Maybe time to pick up something more forgiving? lol
     
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    Devilito,
    Why not go back to TF320? Looked like you were crushing the ball with it. ;)

    Ross K,
    I think I know why you don't like the TF320's feel. The silicone in the handle takes away a bit of the feel you are accustomed to. I put some in the handle of my YTPP to compensate for removal of the leather grip (just 7-8g) and it got more tinny and muted. I took the bluetack (silicone alternative) out of the PSTGT handle and a bit of the feel came right back as well. So you may want to stay away from certain sticks that have silicone in the handle, or use bluetack (the effects are less severe than silicone IMO).

    Also, I must have spoken too soon with my love of the YTPP and ended up eating my words. Long story short, I sold them, went back to PSTGT until I figure out my next move and then ended up stringing up the Black Magic 17 at 51# in my TF320 and I'm back in the saddle with the TFights. Serves and spin are huge with that stick over the YTPP/PSTGT for me. I may go down to 48# since it seems to be ok with full poly and low tensions as in nothing's really flying on me.

    Anyone try low sub-50 tensions in the TF320's?
     
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    A PD and an EXO3 Tour feel nothing alike. Nothing. A stiff PD will launch the ball off the stringbed in an instant. Because there's little dwell time, there's little feel. The EXO3 Tour, OTOH, is so flexible that even with tight poly the ball stays on the string bed for what seems like an eternity. It's like the frame (not the strings) has a trampoline effect. The spin is good, but not Babolat good, and the power is there, but it's not tweener powerful. The flex is an acquired taste. If you hit with one, it'll feel unlike anything you've ever hit with. I prefer the older Ozone Tours--they're not quite as flexy. IMO, the Speeds would be less of a system shock if you're coming from APDs, YTPPs, and TFs.
     
  14. Ross K

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    ret,

    Hmm, maybe these newer Exo's wouldn't be my cup of tequilla then.:) I quite like stiff these days and am not into that very soft feel I've admittedly previously liked in various frames... never did hit with Ozones but know the Ozxone Tour was highly rated by some.


    cheers,

    Re TF V02 320, I'll probably give it one further string job, just because, in theory, it should be an excellent fit for me. As you refer to though, the feel hasn't been to my liking, plus I can't quite seem to get the kind of ball I like (has the spin factor but there's a slight lack of depth, unlike the APD, which has both.) Additionally, it isn't so 'addictive' a hit as something like the APD, or a PDR, or whatever, probably because I can't quite locate the same easy, deep groundie. All that said though, it's quite close to my APDs, and is the kind of frame that I'd use for doubles (though I'm not a regular dubs player), or if I was hitting with my old coach, or indeed playing/coaching with kids, which I do fairly frequently... I've alternated between a small amount of lead @ 12, and then also I've had lead @ 10 and 2. I think 50 is as low as I've gone (w/Black Code, if I'm not mistake.) Loads of power of course. Truthfully though, I have never been entirely happy with this frame with any string/set up (inc. my fave string, Tour Bite, and BHBR). I suspect for me, it could be more about modding it up somewhat more skillfully, as opposed to tension issues. Then again, maybe, like I seem to have discovered with the Pres Pros, it's just not right for me?

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    I'm collecting them and buy one more every time the TW price drops. :)
     
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    I'm still waiting to see if I'm going to luck my way into a X-Black 94. Trying to sweeten the deal a little for the posters here on the board. Will post more as my search continues.

    On another note, I've seen the light that the rest of you have seen re poly at low tensions. My BC has lost as much tension as it is going to (I reckon that it is around the low 50's upper 40's range presently) and I was hitting some of the heaviest and cleanest shots ever with it. It was just ridiculously easy. I am very much looking forward to a fresh stringing at 52 lbs and seeing how good that is.
     
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    Im going to put full poly in my PC600 at 46#s. You can really go low with the tension in a small head. I'd strongly suggest you don't go higher than 50#s..with low tensions you kind of want to dive in off the deep end instead of slowly inching into the water.
     
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    Going to 52 from having played at 60 for so long is a pretty big drop. I think it will also give me a really good idea of whether I want to go lower or stay at that level.
     
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    I went from 62#s to 43#s...seriously..it was wild..you can do it man..trust me.

    48#s full poly in the prestige is a very sexy experience. The Donnays are meant for 50#s and under as well...keep that in mind if you get one and it is strung up tight.
     
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    ...Update on my Prestige grudge match...

    For about two months now I've been playing with both the YTK Prestige PMP and PPro and a very clear winner has emerged and it's the ...................

    ..........Drum roll.............

    The Prestige Pro hands down. Moving outdoors means harsher conditions and having to adapt to the elements and bad bounces.

    As such, spin and power come to the forefront and the Pro is just spinnier and more powerful and will get you out of tight spot with flying colors.

    Also, when the ball gets up high I can crush it down with ease, something the MP could not do. At the end of the day, there's just no substitute for twistweight and plow.

    I think I hit gold with my currents setup.

    With OG, 346 grams, 323 SW (3g's at 1.5&10.5), 7 pts hl

    I'm actually kind of disappointed because I love tinkering with my racquets and other than restringing, there's just nothing to do anymore on my PPro (for now:twisted:).

    Ross, did you ever lead up your PPro finally?

    Cheers
     
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    How is that 88 treating you serge?
     
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    Donnays at 50 and under? Man, the only way I could keep the easy power of the Dark Red at bay was to go high 50s. But I think the Black is less powerful.

    Have you played around at all with the buttcaps? The slides don't really do anything, in my opinion, but the buttcaps really can do funky things with the balance. I know you're probably doing the smart thing by keeping the Prestige-like weight and balance and probably not messing, but man, when I put the 10g cap into my dark red, it was BOMBS. AWAY. on serve. Still miss the ease of those aces and service winners with the DR in hand.
     
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    Hey el,

    Yes, I posted about this last week. To recap, I appreciated the way it kind of 'launched' and oomphed up the ball, especially with the 2hbh. However, I was left feeling I'm just quite not where I want to be with this frame, and actually fast tiring of the constant tinkering with mods/strings/tensions, etc.

    TBH, I sense I could be approaching the end of the road with the PP. It's probably a tad out of my league anyhow. Plus, for all it's touch, solidness, build quality, all court performance, etc, I'm now leaning back towards the other frame I've been kind of playing on/off with for over a year - the APD. Just a slightly better match up for me generally, I think.

    Thanks for your help though el (I thought those mods were pretty artful, if that's the word?)... and I absolutely do consider it a brilliant frame; I just think, as I said in that post last week... "the evidence is mounting" and the jury has kind of spoken.:wink:

    ATB

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    ^^^I think I was on that jury. I sentenced mine to hard labor somewhere in New England. Lol. I still have an mp that I need to get as far away from me as possible. Bleh.

    I won in straight sets with the 88 today. I'm going to kamikaze into the finals with a fresh stringjob and test the collective wisdom of TT.
     
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    Wait - this was a warmup, not the actual guy you were sweating/talking about having lost to previously, correct? In any event, give 'em hell.
     
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    Love it. Removed the leather (blasphemy I know) and replaced it with a synthetic and counterweighted in the bottom. Kept the same weight but went up a balance point hl.

    Its become my bully frame. I use it to beat up on weaker opponents who insist on feeding me backhands that I pancake dtl for winners all day long.

    Against tougher opposition that can get high on my BH, I need the bigger stick.

    Also, my usual poly setup goes dead in half the time in the 88.
     
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    Gads, what kind of string were you using? I have another Black coming with the buttcaps, so I know I will add the 5 gram for sure. This racquet swings so light that it kind of freaks me out sometimes. I have it at 12ozs and it feels like 13 when you pick it up, but it swings like it is 11.5. It is completely nuts how that works.

    It got so humid last night that my tourna was soaked within an hour, and I had to grab my PC600 for a bit (this is why I always buy 2 sticks..the FL humidity..you get one grip wet and grab another stick while the 1st dries, rinse and repeat). Seemless transition, went to it like there was nothing changed in terms of timing. As for more differences, here is what I noticed :

    1. the prestige does not allow me to hit certain shots as easily. Mainly, the "oh sh*t, I have to stay open stance and topspin the crap out of this shot to have a chance at getting it back in and not destroyed for a winner".

    2. The Pc600 has less power. Not a huge revelation, but the pc600 I have is in the mid 40s with a multi and is easily controallble without too much spin needed. You can still crush shots with the prestige, but I am more focused

    3. The Donnay is a drop shot machine. The touch I can put on this ball is what can give me a more dynamic game. I can bash people back off the baseline and then dropshot them. I like that combo. I have always used dropshots to draw in a player and set up a passing shot, and that is a pretty easy play to setup with this racquet. the Prestige is not as good for this, but it can be done..just not as easily.

    4. The prestige prefers a flatter swing path. Hitting with aggressive low to high top is not a great idea with the prestige, while the donnay will not only give you pace and depth, but also allows you to hit a flat ball too if you want. I like to vary it up, and I just have to watch myself and not get too wristy with my shots.

    5. Both are awesome for full poly in the 40s. You can not go wrong with either if you like full poly and value your health in the process.

    6. The balance of the prestige is perfection. You can not mess with a good thing..I love the balance on the prestige so much. For some reason it just makes you swing properly. The great thing is that I can easily match the balance with the 5 gram buttcap on the donnay.

    7. Feel of the donnay is actually growing on me. A sweetspot flatter hit is pluuuush and loud. A topspin brush shot is disarmingly quiet but it comes off the stringbed hot and kicks hard and off into the side of a righty. I can't get that type of action with the prestige. trajectory of the prestige is lower, while the Donnay is higher but I can hit deep with both sticks. Deep with the Donnay is like I am wondering if the shots going to drop in for me, but hey almost always do. People who have never played me before have trouble adjusting to it unless they are stronger players who know how to deal with heavy spin, and then it becomes a pleasureable experience for both of us because the rallies are long and we are both hitting hard.

    Hopefully this detail helps people out who can not demo the donnays because they are so unique that it is real tough to compare them to anything. If I had a complaint, it is that the bumpers probably need head tape. I will most likely have to get some for the top..I don't think that really affects the weight or balance by much but I could be wrong.

    Besides that, I am pretty happy to be out of demoing racquets even though I really enjoyed my run with the prestige. I think you have to hit a competitive point where you realize that there is no perfect stick and it is time to pick what will win you matches. The most matches I won was with the Babolat apdc. I will never go back to that racquet because it had no feel, was super stiff, had a thick beam, everyone used it, and it was hard to string under 50#s, and was too powerful. It still was a beast stick and I appreciate what can be done with it, but I came up in the thin beam era and associate thick beams with the wilson hammer no matter how many times I try and get past it. The donnay hits like a lower powered apdc, but has touch and feel, serves better and is a solid racquet. I am not really honeymooning with this racquet after all the info I have shared. Honeymoning to me is where you can not wait to play with the stick, it feels perfect, your shotmaking is sex and you feel like a god. This is more of a nice relaxed feeling of where I made my decision and realize that nothing is perfect, but this racquet is best for my style of play.

    I have some solinco tourbite coming, and I think that, the b5e or the Black Magic will end up working for me just fine.

    This was my racqeutaholuic rambling. Hopefully it makes some kind of sense since I typed it on and off all morning.
     
  28. Ross K

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    ^ Perfect sense.:wink:
     
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    Fed, I'm almost out of my Tour bite reel and am "interviewing" new candidates.

    Could you compare Tour bite to Hyperion and also to Barb Wire if you've tried it as well.

    TB is still the one to beat for me. I tried Typhoon over the last 2 days and EPIC FAIL in the apd for me. Loved it in the YTPP but not up in here.

    thanks
     
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    wow..this tour bite sounds like the best string ever..lol..I hear it is like lux but lasts a lot longer. I wish I could rave about the Outlast, but it is just ok. Definitley a nice string for a racquet that you won't be stringing all the time. I plan to throw it in my PC600 because it will be great in that, but won't be my go to string in the Donnays.
     
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    Is TB really worth the $$$ ? A reel is like $150 when a reel of CF is $60. I have no doubt that TB is a great string, but is it really $90 better?

    Also, is TB harsh? I ask because I find Lux harsh so if it's similar that's a no no for me.
     
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    TB is not harsh IMO but I am surprised that you find Lux harsh but not CF.

    TBH, I find TB to def be worth 90 more over CF :) I was a former user of CF back in 07 and 08 and while I think CF was good for its time, I do feel that string tech has moved on.

    $150 is about the upper end of what I'll pay though. I got my last reel for $120 so that was nice and worked out to 7.50 a set and that's all good in my book.

    I think in the $7 to $10 range you get what you pay for but no string is worth $17 a set :)
     
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    Great post PED, I agree with you 100%. I loved the CF myself and flipped out the first time I used it. It was insane spin..unfair to me (coming from synth gut as all I knew about strings).

    But poly strings have changed. They are softer and last longer now. The cyberflash is not a string that you want much longer than 6-7 hours. From what I have heard, Solinco in the 40s could be good for a lot longer.
     
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    ^^I think you and I also agree that probably the best string for the price is Hexonic. For $75 a reel, it's impossible to beat.

    I've gotten totally hooked on the TB. Since, I've dropped my static weight, I've gone down to 51/49 with no control issues. I was surprised as it was 85 this am when I hit.
     
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    Okay... right... so the Typhoon (a string I also liked a lot in the Pres Pro BTW), doesn't do it for you in the APD then. Hmmm...

    Well, I'm also "interviewing new candidates" (phrase of the day :) ), in the form of B5E and Revolusion. Plus I have some Signum stuff (think its Hyperion and SPPP) to look at, though I lately seem to have slightly gone off Tornado, which makes me wonder if that may bode ill for those strings in the APD. Of course, it's all very frame-specific, but TB still sort of looks down from an almighty height upon the others I've tried.:cool: I do feel like checking out some alternatives though. I may trawl through the old threads to see what experienced APD users have liked in it.

    Side-note: I've still yet to find a single set up I particularly like in the TF V02 320! :roll: It's maybe a tension thing, I don't know? But I can't imagine going lower than 50 lbs in this very powerful frame - and I've played with some very decent polys in it (including TB, BHBR and Black Code.) You know what? I think it's probably has to be more about the frame's feel more than anything. Anyhow, unlike the PP, I feel I can restring this racket a time or two more.

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    Hexonic... tell me about it my fellow string-heads.:)

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    I havent tried barbwire. Tourbite seems tailormade for your apd. Hyperion is soft and powerful with excellent tension maint. Still gets great spin but not that hard digging in feeling like tour bite. Hyperion is slightly rubbery and forgiving. I like it because it has POWER almost like gut but grabs like a poly. But it doesnt grab like TB. TB feels like metal to me, hyperion feels like powerful black gummybears. I liked TB in a 100si prince. But I didnt like it in a smaller head. I like hyperion in everything.
     
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    Im lazy..but do a quick search for it in the strings section and you will see my thread about it. My impressions were from when I was using the Tfight.

    Short story :

    Feels great in the Tfight, very very good deal for the price.

    I don't need soft strings in my Donnay..i learned that one from the Outlast..TourBite sounds like an ideal match.
     
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    not the real match, I am going through a kung-fu training montage with the 88, I am a shadow on a bamboo screen. I have to kill bill, but I have to kill some other people first...
     
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    This is how I roll: 4g at the top of the grip, replace leather with synth, full poly. Checks in at 12.7 oz. Sweet.
     
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    ^^^

    Brilliant. May the force of Little Mac be with you.


    (and I wonder if anyone will get the reference)
     
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    Nice, mine's almost 12.8. Still feels nice and maneuverable. It's pretty much the best stick I've ever used at net. I love driving a fh volley cc, the racquet does all the work :)
     
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    Well, only ever tried BB original and Rough I think. At the same tension as CF, the Lux felt boardier.

    In my case it's not just how the string feels on impact, but how my shoulder feels the next day.

    I don't compete anymore so $ and durability are more important than performance these days. I'll pay $100 max for a reel. Any recommendations at that price range?
     
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    So what last significantly longer? I thought 6-7 hours was actually decent for a poly?
     
  45. Power Player

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    Polys now..like the new Weiscannon are engineered to give you much more playtime as long as you string lower. I finally got a high quality stringing machine and will give you guys my experiences since I have the exact equipment now for stringing poly racquets.
     
  46. Ross K

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    Agree with your description of Hyperion. Not quite so sure if it would suit the APD, but am tempted to try it too. As for TB, yes, it's metallic, or, from a previous post of mine...

    PP,

    Sounds like Hexonic in the TF 320 is the way to go... I might have to make a quick on-line buy!:wink:


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    Ross it is cheap, so if you hate it, no biggie.

    Disclaimer, I string my own. Highly reccomend it since it saves cash and no wait on sticks. It also makes me more open minded to trying string. That being said, I did not like a lot of full poly strings in the Tfight besides Hex.

    Surprisingly, hybrids felt fantastic. Synth gut crosses and poly mains.
     
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    Grrr....I am having no luck finding an X-Black or selling or trading my Prestige.....
     
  49. Power Player

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    I cant sell my prestige either. Just people lowballing the crap out of me for a racquet that I barely used. It is kind of incredible. Some guy offered to trade me string..lol..no thanks.
     
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    The TGK or the stock? I'm pretty sure if mine were the MP I would have sold them already.
     

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