Diary of a Racketaholic

Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Ross K, Sep 11, 2010.

  1. JGads

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    Exciting times, fellow holics. Avenged a straight-set loss to a league opponent with a 6-4, 6-1 win, courtesy of the BC20. Was doing anything I wanted and the problem area of late, first serve consistency, shot way up in the other direction with a few adjustments to what I was doing. Only got broken once, and it was at 5-0 in the second when I was going for too much to finish the bagel. One day soon I think I'm going to give one last frame a chance, that new Donnay Platinum (94, and maybe 99), to fully, finally quench my thirst in a final Battle Royale, but after that I'm probably done. All signs are pointing to the 20.

    Meanwhile, the PC600 I traded for arrives tomorrow. It'll be for kicks, surely, rather than match play, but am nonetheless excited about its arrival and to finally see what this goat is all about.

    And I wonder: was Ross serious about lining up for the royal wedding? If so, can you imagine? "Spectator: Wow, doesn't she look gorgeous?" Ross: "Ah yes, yes indeed. I wonder what racquet she plays."
     
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    JGads: Why would Ross ask such a silly question? She would be 'playing a Prince!':oops:
     
  3. JGads

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    You just took my joke and crushed it. Well done. I can't believe I didn't think of that.
     
  4. Ross K

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    Ahem...

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    I thank you one and all.:lol:


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    That's exactly what i've discovered recently.... not that the PresMids don't serve great.... but i just don't play as often as i would like due to work schedule (not 20y.o. anymore)... so i've been tinkering around with the microgel radical OS.... have 1 and waiting for 3more.

    Still trying to get my modifications cemented... once i get my specs just right, i'll post some pics.
     
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    The people's princess
     
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    Looks like the Black Ace has definitely made it into my play test! This is shaping up to be a lot of fun.

    I have to admit, I wish that Vantage had made an 18x20 Bast Core model. Sounds like a total love fest for everyone that is hitting with those frames and I would love to see what they are all about.
     
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    Black Ace..nice..this is good stuff, you are full on back in..lol.

    Just got some Solinco TB in..yes, I am fired up about it.
     
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    This really is shaping up to be epic. The X-black came in today and the other two should be in over the weekend. Hitting will commence as soon as they are all restrung.
     
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    oh no you got the black already? Nice! Epic weekend for you. Best PJ ever - donnay black.
     
  11. JGads

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    PC 600 just arrived. Absolutely stellar condition. I'd say 9.0, conservatively speaking.

    Exciting times ahead for all of us, boys. Exciting times!

    PP, I will be eagerly awaiting your Platinum feedback. Will try to hit with the PC600 this weekend. Will tell Seabiscuit the truth, though, that I'm only meeting up for coffee. And she's even free to come along.
     
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    Nice score JGads. I'm beyond jealous. You get my email?
     
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    Yep, Black Ace will be en route later today. Was hoping for a nice, convenient re-box after getting the PC600 in, but it was kind of beat up in the shipping process (thankfully, the PC was just fine) so I have to do some arts and crafts work securing it, or I might just have to go to the post and start with some new boxes. Anyway, I'll email you when I've shipped.
     
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    Gads, welcome to the club. It is an elite racquet. I love mine, it also reminds me how people romanticize old sticks too much. As amazing as the feel is, and the incredible solidity on contact, it is a racquet you needed to grow up using to still compete with. sticks are so much more powered up now, it's crazy.
     
  15. JGads

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    Indeed, I think there's about a 5 percent chance I'd ever use this thing in competition, it was strictly a move to feed my love of tennis frames old and new. I quenched my thirst once with the Pro Staff 85, then the PT280 and now, finally, the PC600. The other frames were eventually sold but this one might be a different story. The rich red paintjob is so beautiful it may actually have to be a wall decoration.

    By the way, Ross, that Kate Middleton, quite striking I have to admit. And the sister? "HELL-o," as Patrick McEnroe likes to spout.
     
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    ry, Gads,

    Post up your thoughts on your new racks ASAP... I'm feeling like a lightweight here still checking out the APD and TF 320... I need to get out more and get 'circulating' - LOL!


    cheers,

    Interesting re the TF earlier... I NEVER play without a dampener.. hmmm...


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    This Donnay just looks sick. The nice thin beam, simple paint job, classic design. Just beautiful.

    Applied my usual tournagrip and will be stringing as soon as the other 2 frames show up.
     
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    Couldn't wait for a real hit - and since I have courts at my apartment complex, I went with a bucket and cracked some serves and dry hits today. Obviously very little to go on, but the PC600 was serving those heavy Prestige serves and I can tell it's going to be a laser pointer on groundies. It did feel a bit heavier than I expected, though, which surprised me because I thought the Classic was lighter in weight than the YT Mid; my YT weighed in at about 12.4-12.5 (with full poly and dampener) and when I got home I put the Classic on the scale and it was at around 13. I then unwrapped the grips (this one did not come with the leather) and realized there was an overgrip over a very thick synthetic grip, and then when I unwrapped that, aha, there was a bunch of lead wrapped all around the handle, extending about two inches up from the buttcap. I'm wondering if I should keep some of that lead on to make up for the lack of the leather grip weight, or whether I should just strip it down and see how I like it sans lead and with just a synthetic. PP, your thoughts? How much does your Classic weigh in at and with what grip?

    And by the way, PP, remember your hypothesis that the Black Ace might be just like a PC600. Tough to say for sure because it wasn't against true fire and the string wasn't the same (but both synthetic gut), but just serving, ball bouncing and just hitting groundies off simple ball drops, I have to say that the ball feel, initially, is extremely similar. The head of the frame also matches up just about exactly. The Ace moved quicker through the air, though, but how much of that had to do with the added weight on this Prestige, I don't yet know. I also have to say that the Ace, on serve, makes a shotgun sound that cannot even be matched by the Classic. God I love to hear that crack.

    Anyway, should be an interesting week ahead. I have no league season going on, so I'm free to just mess around. Though the BC20 will continue to be my primary, as Seabiscuit is in full stride of late, galloping well past all else.

    A follow up edit I forgot to mention earlier: Don't know what it was, but when I was serving with the PC600, my kickers were just stupid good. I mean hilarious. I expected the heaters, but just like the Youtek but to an even bigger extent today, the Prestige Mid can really give you some surprise, exploding dance moves on the kicker that you'd never expect from such a small-patterned, heavier frame. Don't know how, but it's there.
     
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    Diary dudes,

    It seems to me that right now we are seeing some rather interesting (and by all accounts, top quality) frames out there ATM. What has taken my attention is the Exo Tour, the Donnay X series, and (and these are really getting me twitchy now), the Vantage Bast Core 20 and 30... having already played the older custom VT 221s, I know these are solid, crisp, great control, quality racks, for sure; but these Bast Cores are clearly something else... I might have to start saving up some pennies, boys (though I can't decide if I'd prefer the slightly more b-line orientated 30 or the recoil-meister and serve bomber 20.):)

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    I know what you are like with modifications bit the 20 and 30 imo just need a little help. Other then that Ross they do very similar things. Yeah the 20 is easier from the off on serve but hey pick up my old pt600 and its the best serving racket I've owned. The 20 has a lot of similarities. Notice its the pt and not the pc version cos o just loved the suspension grip which has a similar feel to the bc's. The 30 needs a bit more work here but it has this unassuming baseline ease i know you like. We are not talking major work here but ye know but 310 SW on the 20 says lead @12 :)
    The 30 sits well with your experimentation of the apd and teccy but with the feel and Thoroughbred seabiscuitness of your tgk's.
    Open patterned pt630 is what ur after then this is your red rum.
     
  21. JGads

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    PP, let me know on this if you get a chance. Was looking back at some of your old posts because I thought that maybe you'd mentioned doing something similar, and you said you put a Hydrosorb on your Classic but you never really said how it played with just that. I have a Hydrosorb and a Wilson Pro Hybrid grip, and I'm trying to figure out whether I should A) strip the lead and just play with Hydrosorb. B) Put the Hydrosorb over the lead for a more bottom heavy stick. or C) strip the lead and put the Pro Hybrid grip on there, which is a bit of an in-between as the part-leather of the grip makes it a slightly heavier grip than a normal synthetic. Let me know what your experiences were with just the Hydrosorb, vs. more weight at the bottom. I'm playing for the first time with it tomorrow, so hoping you see this, but no biggie if you don't.
     
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    Gads,

    I took off the leather and with hydrasorb, OG, and damp, my classic mid is just under 12 ozs. Balance is still around 7 points. I really like it at this weight. Personally, I would pick leather or synthetic (whatever you prefer), and play the racquet in its natural state without lead. It should weigh around 12.2 with leather grip.

    It is great for me with just the synthetic..nice and maneuverable, but still has the weight to crush the ball.
     
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    JG,

    Not quite the same, but I removed my leather grip from my Pres Pros purely due to not adjusting to the harsh leather feel. The Hydrasorbs that I then went to provided a nice cushioned gripping... On a side-note: PED recommended I try lead fishing weights for modding up in the butt. I now routinely use this method. It's ridiculously quick and easy, and I'd advise it to anyone.:)


    Meaghan,

    Ta for that ^. I have a few big expenses this month so can't really justify a new frame, however, I've sent out the 'bat signal', as it were!:wink:... BTW, Anyone (Gads?) actually hit with both a Bast Core 20 or 30 and a Pres Pro? How did they contrast?



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    Haven't played the 30 yet. Will forever be curious but no need to really make that leap just yet what with the 20 tickling my fancy just fine. And thanks all to the weight suggestions on the Classic. Last night I took most of the lead off except for just one ring of it at the base of the grip, slapped a Hydrosorb over top and she's ready to dance today. We'll see. Not sure how long I'll play her for before feeling the need to switch to my 20. Guess that'll depend on how I'm doing - though it's a friendly match, so nothing at stake, except maybe the 20's feelings. Speaking of which, off to meet up with the girlfriend for breakfast. It may be time to tell her there's someone else in my life. Her name is Seabiscuit and her head is 95 square inches.
     
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    JG what got me into looking for that special racket in the first place was playing your pc600's sister, the pt600. Funnily enough the bc20 is the closest in feel to that racket. Its suspension grip is a bit plusher than the pc version you've got. Enjoy tho as that is one super serving racket
     
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    I too have the Classic Mid and Donnay Black 94.. I would keep the Donnay, but I don't want to get used to it because the feel and weight of the Donnays are so much different from anything else. Also, moneys tight for me, I feel like I can only have 1 racquet. The Donnay is way more versatile but I'm just so much more accustomed to the Prestige. I'm actually trying to part with the Donnay to regain a piece of money that was spent on it
     
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    Sunday Funday report:

    First off, a question for anyone in the know: is there a definitive answer on the whole "Prestige Classic 600/Classic Mid" frame debate? The guy I swapped frames with had claimed it was a PC 600 and I didn't even know until looking up posts about the PC 600 today that there are two different names for the frame, depending on when it was made and during a certain 'naming rights' controversy. So frames sold here in the US were dubbed "Classic Mid" while elsewhere it was the Prestige Classic 600. Sure enough, I look at my frame and it's the Classic Mid, so I feel a little dumb right now. (I did receive full pics beforehand and unfortunately, it was my fault that I didn't look at the paintjob close enough and didn't do my proper research on what the frame actually looks like up close). However, many people do claim that the Classic Mid is in fact the same as the PC 600, but then some others say that they do in fact play slightly different. There didn't seem to be any definitive knowledge in my thread search, though, just he-said, she-said. ...

    That being said, the frame I do have did in fact crack some serious lasers today but perhaps now having gotten used to the weight and flex of the BC20, it just felt too much for me now even though the YT Mid never really did. (they weigh about the same, but I feel like my YT was a TAD more headlight). I rallied with both the Classic and the 20 today, and the 20 was just feeling too good by comparison as I've gotten totally used to its feel and capabilities, so when we started up sets I went ahead and played it until a 4-1 lead. Switched over to the Classic Mid for fun at that point, but fun wasn't so much fun when I started netting too many shots en route to him climbing back to within 4-3, so I promptly switched back over to the 20 and won the next two games to take the set, and then kept it in my hand for a 6-1 second set win. More of the same from the 20, just great feel and something about it that just frees me to go after the ball with no fear.

    Basically, I think my search has ended. Well, wait, ah yes, I am a true racquetholic, and so I will give one last curiosity frame a chance, the Donnay Platinum, probably a few weeks from now when I get back from a trip east (hopefully TW has the demos by then), but even the Prestige Classic I just picked up is probably going to end up in the FS section at some point soon. (Regarding the Classic, I think the Ace I have in the bag actually is the better stick for me to keep in terms of Mid frames; hits a similar ball (at least in the same neighborhood) but seems much easier to get around.

    So, just more BC20 love. I can't get enough, and I'm one Platinum playtest away from likely getting at least one more and then putting my racquetholic card away.
     
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    I have the Classic Mid as well. It is the same stick as the PC600, and this was verified to me by VSBabolat.

    You have to give the stick more time then that. You are just setting your cash on fire if you barely hit with it. It takes a little time to dial in, and then it becomes lethal.

    I have spent a ton of time with mine and really like it. That being said, the resale value of this racquet on **** can be tempting..but definitely spend more time with it before you sell the thing.
     
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    Smart. Very smart. I guess I'm just blinded a bit by my BC20 crush right now. I'll play with it a bit longer, but the 20 is just so good it's hard to play with anything else right now.

    PP, when does the Platinum playtest begin? I'm excited for your observations, for sure. Also looking forward to Ryushen's interesting impending battle of those frames both old and new.

    And Fed, come on now, speak up. You appeared to be headed for K95/K88/kung fu madness.
     
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    I believe I receive the platinum wednesday, so I will hit with it this week.

    I am very interested in how it goes. I am missing the 18x20 pattern a little, but liking the spin from the Black. The Black makes it tough to hit long..real tough, but you can consistently hit nice and deep.

    I have a bad habit of sliding to a more western grip with the black sometimes, but when I stay SW, I hit very heavy shots.

    If the dual platinum does the same and keeps it under control, it may be unfair. I just hope I can get some of the same spin because the Black really rips the ball.

    I am glad that Vantage is more underground and tough to find.I dont want to demo different sticks anymore..lol..it sounds like a nice stick, but thankfully I am quite happy with these Donnays.
     
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    I'm staking everything on this 88 cagefight. Everything. It will be a watershed moment for me in my racaholism, my life and the american dream. Possibly a woodshed moment.

    It will be a learning experience, like the time I barfed on the subway. It will separate the 20 year olds from the 30 year olds. From the 30 plus year olds. From the guys that hang out at the laundromat all day.

    I have been binge drinking and partying in order to ensure the points are short.

    I have never won a set against this guy. I will not be bringing a bag to the court. Water bottle and an 88. I will be banging nothing but gangster rap in my Prius on the way to the court. I am aware that those two things don't match. I might win, I might lose, I might commit a felony out of sheer emotion.

    Everything I need to know will be sorted by this experience. If you see me next week wearing a gore-tex sombrero, with sunscreen all over my ears, clutching a 9oz chick stick you will know why.
     
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    I feel like I have an issue. I put up a new video on youtube hitting with my Prostaff 85 and my new one handed backhand (forced due to injury) and while I love hitting with the 85 I’m starting to feel like I want something bigger that will give me more of an edge in competition. Bigger room for error on returns or last second pick ups or high kicks to the backhand. I see guys like Ljubicic, Gasquet and Youzhny using large frames for their 1 handers and hit them really clean. Maybe try out a Head Extreme? Or a Prestige Pro like Wawrinka? The Extreme “looks” like it would be a big plush racquet but 75 stiffness? That sounds insane. I’m also looking at the new Volkl Organix 10 (325g) peaked my interest as well from the thread specifically discussing that racquet. I’d wonder if that would suit my game at all. TBH i LOVE the 85 but i feel like my unforced error count is skyrocketing with it for some reason (don't know if i should blame the headsize or not) (PS of course i should blame my game first but we're talking about racquets here)
     
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    The PresPro is a great feeling 1hbh rac, but I ultimately felt it was a gutless piece of red plastic. I like the extreme series but it is a feel that you have to get used to. You will probably hate it unless you give it a chance and really learn to exploit the design of the racquet (I believe it was designed for llubo). The yt extreme pro is the best return racquet I have ever used. However...the new one is just stupidly stiff. I thought maybe I was being a puss, but I glanced at the vibration ratings that TW puts out...it's like 20 pts higher than YT. It vibrates more than a PDR. There are some Princes that are probably better (tour, black, white), or search out the yello yt extreme pro. Those dudes are using pro stock TGK plush extremes that we can't get...
     
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    I have a 1hbh and have been playing the bc20 for a while, However recently Ive given extra time to the bc30 and i have to say for a 100" my backhand is just as good as with the smaller rackets Ive used. I have a full western 1hbh and the slightly bigger head does help. The racket is plush and a little firmer than the 20 and light enough to play with a bit. Worth a look imo and the headsize doesnt feel big and round like other rackets like the extremes and princes. Great control racket, lots of spin, loads of feel and power on tap.
     
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    Devilito,

    As one who had a long sideways lurch (talking about the DNX 10 mid, AG100, PB10mid, and most of all, the Prestige mid), I've been there and am with you on the mid/need something more forgiving front. For me, rather like, I don't know, Glee, or the later Star Wars films, or Sex In The City, or whatever, mids are just plain wrong! :)


    JG,

    Really starting sound like you may have located... ahem... Excalibur!


    Fed,

    Ah, but did you ever barf on your girlfriend on the subway?!:eek:


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    Ross or Fed,

    What about barfing on your wife in the car while she's driving?
     
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    Devil, Thats why I had to go back to a little bigger as well, my backhand was getting attacked a lot with the mid. Some days, it did not matter and I could rip back, but the off days were tough on me.

    The donnays are the only 99s that feel smaller to me..I prefer 95s, but the thinner beam makes the larger head feel smaller somehow. It also makes the prestige seem like a thick beam when i pick it up..lol.
     
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    PP,

    I am very much looking forward to your review on the Platinum. I know that Donnay's specs are unstrung and that string will change the stiffness a bit. I'm just curious if it's going to play stiff, crisp or softer feeling.

    It's been raining the last few days here in North Texas so I haven't had a chance to hit with the Black yet. Supposedly we get a break in the weather tomorrow and I will take full advantage.
     
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    Yeah I can't wait to get it. UPS is such a garbage service or I would have the stick today. It will not come until Wednesday.

    Looks like Blake, the pickiest player on earth is now using a platinum.
     
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    Pics of this?
     
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    I live and die by my OHBH. The PPro is the best OHBH stick I've every used. My 6.1 was close, but the added whippiness of the PPro really helps when in a jam.

    The Extreme is a fantastic OHBH stick also. Get the MG version, stiffness is 68-70 I think. Didn't feel any stiffer than my 88, softer actually.

    That's why god invented lead tape. A mere 3 grams at 1.5 and 10.5 and the SW goes from ~315 to ~325. Not so gutless any more, plenty of pop, fantastic spin potential and great feel.
     
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    Whaaaaaaaa.............. That's a crazy grip man, even Guga didn't have a full western. I just tried holding the racquet that way and after one swing my wrist hurt. You must be uber flexible like Novak or something.
     
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    Fed experiemented a lot with lead tape on the prestige pro. He mentions it a few pages back.

    Blake rocking the donnay is in the pro gear section. I personally am not surprised at all by this. I think younger pros may start switching as well, but it will take some time. Donnay only expects to sell around 10,000 racquets to start with, so obviously they can not compete with the big guys yet in terms of paying pros to leave their current deals.
     
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    Yeah, I remember that. But he's loving the 88, and the 88 and the PPro are like apples and oranges. No amount of lead will ever make the PPro play like an 88.

    I'm actually so happy with my setup that I ordered some new bumper guards. I'm going to place the lead outside the frame, under the CAP, that way it's out of sight and hopefully I'll never think of trying new setups anymore.

    Man, I think I've kicked my racquetaholisim for good. Now I have to call up all my ex frames and apologize for everything I did to them, horrible unspeakable things that sometimes involved injecting strange substances into their holiest of hollies :oops:
     
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    There are also unconfirmed reports that Bin Laden may have actually been killed by a K88.
     
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    I heard that Pete just happened to be having serving practice nearby and one of the balls went astray and popped Bin Laden in the head....
     
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    Again proving his goatness.
     
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    suggest picking up a used MG Prestige Pro or Prestige Mid (amongst others).

    this player struggled finding a "modern" racquet when leaving the 85. liked the bigger sweetspots but not the "different" control of the larger head racquets. might take some work to adjust but it's all good especially as we age. :)
     
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    To stay in the same family, you could always experiment with a Pro Staff 95? Not the easiest to find, of course, but they're there if you look hard enough, and they're usually much more sensibly priced than the 85.
     
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    Bad idea, the PS 95 is a noodle. I grew up playing with one, and I love the feel and the control, but it's a powerless noodle. You can smack the ball as hard as you want, it will almost always come back.

    A better idea, if you want to keep it in the family, is to go with a 6.1, I like the ncodes the best myself.
     

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