Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Ross K, Sep 11, 2010.
Ross, are you playing outdoors or indoors? Isn't it freezing cold over there right now?
Missed this earlier somehow, 'combining tennis and rollerblading?'... 'combining tennis and boozing' - the coach who has that card I want to give me lessons.
I have the 18 and gads has the 16.
Honestly, i dont think this stick would play better than the blade at that light weight and balance. I cant match another racquet to the blade and have it play the same without adding more lead. It needs lead to get cranking, and most likely the base weightfor the tec is 340. You could do 340-345 and be fine, but its not as powerful as the blade and it needs a little weight to dial it in.
That being said it is not super demanding, but it is a little more than the blade.
Your austrian head sounds incredible. Definitley at least an ounce past what i would want as well, but what a cool stick to have.
Unfortunately mainly outdoors, MD. It's pretty cold ATM but London (unlike further North) has been without snow for a month or so, for now at any rate.
I know you're really into your mods these days, but what's your take on Blades stock?
Its best stock for me. I could see adding 5 grams to the tail, but besides that i feel like it plays incredible out of the box.
Incredibly solid for the weight. I am not sure how wilson did it because the other sticks that are similar need to weigh more to play the same.
Agree. Just don't know how they did it. Swinging sweeter and feeling nicer for me for me all the time. Honestly, 16x19, gold/black, K Blade even - such great sticks. And you know what? I've tried a few different string jobs and every single one feels superb, no gripes... Cyclone, TB, Tb/Ion Hexa, Vs/Cofocus... seems like a very 'string-friendly' frame, if you know I mean?
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They need to be careful. Yann Auzoux will patent their feet and trademark the phrase "The Most Revolutionary Tennis Device Since Your Own Feet™"
Yeah I have been tempted by this stick from its inception. I will let you guys figure out the perfect mods and I may dive in at a later date. As you guys know, the Prestige is my measuring stick so what I am looking for similar slightly more forgiving alternatives (if it exists). That being said the Vcore is the closest thing I have found to date that adds some of the occasional needed forgiveness. Similar balance, head size, beam width and stiffness but comes in a little lighter so I can keep it at my desired weight threshold of 12 ounces (strung, over grip, dampener). I can see why the TW team really likes this stick.
Murray, have you tried tour bite soft in the IG prestige pro? If so how did it compare to regular tour bite?
Yes tried this string in the Prestige. Decent bite and definately softer than regular TB but came at a price in terms of feel and control. I guess you could jack the tension up to try and counteract this but seems kind of pointless as I got better feel and control with regular TB at 52 lbs with similar comfort.
Looking forward to further thoughts from you on this one. The TW guys really did like it. Interesting that Chris said he would only add weight to the handle and leave the hoop alone. That's saying a lot about a 314 SW stick. I've got thin-beamed Yonex 98s on the brain for some reason. Thinking of acquiring an RDS 002 Tour UL, a Ti80 UL and a VTour 97 UL and pitting them ruthlessly against each other. Then again, I've also got a big string tourney planned also, and these two plans aren't very compatible. Have you ever hit either of those previous YYs?
I started hitting with the Rdis 200 just before winter shut me down and liked it quite a lot but found it a bit too muted for me. I guess that's where the YY obsession is coming from.
You will want to demo the 315 based on this.
It can definitely play at 340.
The YY would be a great comparison stick. They have a really nice feel as well.
I have a demo of the Vcore Tour 97 coming, so I will be able to compare it to the TF315. My guess if I will prefer the YY since it appears to be more powerful.
I just acquired a new Vcore Xi 98. VERY NICE! Similar to the 98D but more stability, and better plow. Maybe a little stiff for some, but it's not harsh at all. It's got a great feel and as the TW review said, it does everything very well - great mix of power and control. Mine is 11.5, 326 grams (strung and with a modified/larger butt under grip), 6 PTs HL. SW probably around 315.
Have just tried the Becker London, heavily modded (10g @10,12,2, 7g top of handle, leather, og, babO damp), strung with Pacific Poly Force/Pacific Powerline and I was surprised to find it was everything the BB Legend was but with more hoop stability, superb, close to perfection....
Hey! Don't talk about the Legend like that!
Yeah, the Legend is wonky without proper customization... The Melbourne was an update to the Legend but it's just too darn heavy when playing against tougher player and longer matches. :|
I honestly want a "Delta Core Legend 2" or something. Because if all of the Melbourne's specs were placed on the Legend (except the excessive weight) , it would be one of the best racquets on the market.
the Melbourne is the legend updated in an easier to use form....the legend imo was close to perfection, only problem for me was at net, slightly twisty and this also didn't help my 1hbh. In the London, I've effectively turned it into the legend 2 but it has more hoop stability, at least it certainly volleys better. Mods on my legend were the same as the London, around 365g/6 or 7pts hl/ 360SW....
365g?... and there I was this morning getting worried as I was getting busy with the grips and lead about going over my 325g threshold.
Haha Ross very funny, 325g threshold, bloody hell, an overgrip could take you over the edge....
Yeah, I think the Melbourne is the "Noob Friendly Version" of the Legend. :lol:
Hm, I can't agree with on on the volleys because me and you have different playstyles (baseline grinder) and I assume different mass. I'm teaching myself to be an all-court player, but I just don't have any proper hitting partners around here...
I have a 1HBH as well. What I did is to start my stroke early (anticipate the ball) and bend my knees. Then follow through as soon as you hit the ball. I believe that the Legend is also best used for "Longer Strokes". You have to generate your own power to use it (unless if you mod it). 360 Swing weight? You are pretty strong to have the racquet set at that.
I'm trying to get around 8-10 of the same frames so I can be comfortable to mod of them. However, I have only found 4 and TW just sold all of their racquets a while ago.. :cry:
The legend is a great grinder stick, its not bad at the net infact its pretty good, just not as good as other volkl sticks for instance. As for strokes and your explanation, that is pretty much a prerequisite for a stick like the legend.....also I think 4 racks is well enough to pay around with mods and strings, 9 is a little ott if you ask me
Yeah, Volkl makes good stuff. Did you know that you can replace your buttcap? I didn't know that until last week!
What strings did you set up your Legend? I'm using stock at the moment. It's not bad but it can be better. I'm used to it because I generate my own power. When I get a Klippermate and purchase a reel of BB Bomber 17G, it'll be amazing.
I'm not trying to get in a rush to get the 10 racquets, I'm just picking them up along the way.
My mentor actually sent me a brand new 10 Pack BB bag with backpack straps. It looks awesome.
I have another bag that can fit up to 5 racquets, but I'm going to put 8 of the racquets in my new bag, then put the other 2 in my other bag. My clothes and accessories can fit in my 5 pack as well.
Hey there BC. That does look like a nice frame indeed, but I can't get passed the squarish frame shape of those Xi racquets. The Vcores were almost oval, but the Xi's are just too weird feeling to me. I know its just a visual thing, but it bugs me every time I try one. Good luck with it!
Yeah butt caps and pallets are replaceable, I like volkl and Becker bags also. Having loads if rackets cos you are gonna stick with the same stick is a good way to go. Strings, I tried a lot, I really liked poly hybrids in it, bhb7/Timo worked really well but now in general I play PP blackout around 47lbs and string weekly for consistency.
Yeah, you literally can't find any BB bags in brand new condition anymore.. unless if you knew someone who worked for Volkl/BB or is a VIP for them.
Hybrids? I'm not a fan honestly. BB Bomber 17G is basically unofficial natural gut. It plays like it, has the durability of it, yet it's a co-poly (a really good one).
I recently saw a TW Professor thread about tension loss. Is it true that a high-tension co-poly keeps tension maintenance longer than a lower-tension?
How does low tensions play? Do balls fly over the place? :|
I'm trying to sell my DC London Tour and a Melbourne (near mint condition), but I've received nothing but low-ball offers. As great as Boris Becker frames are, it's frustrating trying to sell them for the price you want it for. If I had two Babolat APDs, they would sell in less than 6 hours..
Bought another Tec 315 today. Took a practice set off a 5.0 with it. In love.
Oh that's money! I'm glad I'm staying away from Tec since it's not available locally otherwise I would have to holic with it!
Any of you ever seen this dude much in action? Any observations? How exactly would you describe his playing style or whatever? Think he'll progress all the way? Just curious as THB I've seen very little of him but was checking out some vids such as this one...
BTW, just how tall is he? Looks gigantic. Seems very 'rangey' in his strokes. Kind of reminds me of a 6-ft 8" puppy! Not quite as 'mechanical' looking like Delpo though, another big guy, for example.
^ I've seen him training with Ferru, and Robredo, his legs are too long for his upper body, a bit of a handicap when moving or changing directions.
He hits cleanly, his inside out Fh is a weapon, his backhand is weaker, has difficulty hitting while running. Defense should improve, that racket doesn't help here. But boy, what a serve, simply the world's best, were those flaws to improve a little, bit he'd be a major threat, top ten potential for sure.
You are kidding aren't you Ross....Milos Raonic.....huge serve, huge fh, goes for his shots so he's inconsistent, very exciting, beautiful rhythmic service action.....
Have I just fallen for some Blade joke meant for someone else?
In person its not near as squarish looking az some of the tw photos appear. Its more oval the the regular xis. However, I know what you mean. Bugs me a little too. I'm liking it, just not sold entirely on it yet. My regular hitting partner has one and is playing the best tennis ever with it.
I just demoed a blade 16x19 and loved it, except for the fact it was strung with old Wilson sensation at about. 45 lbs. Way too powerful. I had a hard time keeping balls on target. I'm thinking it had to be the strings. With a poly I imagine this stick could be great. I'm very tempted to get one but nor sure what string pattern. I haven't been able to demo the 18x20 blade. Are you still liking your blade?!what strings and tension did you like best?
Why didn't u wait? You could've had mine next week for over $50 less. I guess you really must be in love
I'll probably be taking that one off your hands, 18x20, correct?
Its definitely the strings BC. With a new poly/syngut setup at mid tension, you will have plenty of control. I would go for the 16x19. Its not as open in the middle as most other 16x19s. So what is it about the xi98 that u don't like? How does it compare to the Blade? Is it much stiffer feeling?
Did you already get the racquet?mAnyway, i use 1/4 grip size and 18 mains. Getting pallets..etc would negate any real savings.
Klem if you like lower sw, higher static weight like i believe you have posted - this could be a mind blower for you.
Ross, i have stood next to milos while he served.
Cheers Broly, Meags (sorry but I'm not that familiar with him - hence the query), and Power... nice vid.
I had forgotten all about the Legend. It was a great stick but needed extra weight and I never quite got that right for my 1hbh. Even so the dig I could get on the ball was amazing.
Your static and swing weights are too much for me. Still serving and volleying?
Wow, things change quickly in here, so much for the Team room!
I have a SW question. My 3 K104s are very different in weight/bal. In trying zero in on where I want them (using SW calc) I've noticed that you can have the same weight and SW with a different balance.
My question is, if you have two of the same frame, same weight and SW but different balance, what will the difference be in how they swing and perform?
(I ask because I don't have a sense of which parameters to keep and which to tweak to inch towards what I want. The heaviest/highest sw/least HL of the 3 feels the most solid and consistent, but a hair sluggish. Do I keep the SW and make it more HL or keep the bal and lower the SW? The idea being to keep the plow but get a little more RHS.)
Best way to do it is to pick the setup that allows you to hit the center of the bed as much as possible.
CC, sh1t Id completely forgotten about you sir, busy of late, will email you...
S&V....no, I throw the odd one in now and again but Ive learnt to wait for the opportunity and move in.
I may be picking another Legend up, probably my fave baseline stick.
Your right. I forgot about the gripsize. Mine is 3/8 and I should be getting it tomorrow.
I can't say I notice any difference in that btw the three. As you know, the center of the 104 is huge! What I notice is the heavy one has more plow and the lighter ones are whippier with less plow so I hit spinnier with them.
With the heavy one, the reduced whippiness really only comes to play on the run or really ripping passing shots which need more spin for dip. Still it would be nice to have a hair more whip without losing much plow which made me wonder which would better accomplish this: A) lowering the SW/same balance, or B) keeping SW/but making more HL. Thoughts?
I just brought the other two to the same SW but they are more HL so I'll see what that does next time out.
ok if you can hit clean with either setup, the next check box is which setup gives you more consistent depth.
I hoped you wouldn't object to a gentle reminder! Have you tried the new Blade Tour? I think you'd like it.
You're not familiar with Milos Raonic!! Do you watch any tennis, or do you just weigh and balance your sticks all weekend!
I watched him a bit on one of the outside courts at the AO. When he served, it was the loudest crack i have ever heard coming from a racquet.
When he served from the other end, my viewing position was on the deuce side, back corner and a couple meters from his opponent. I got a sense of what it would be like to receive one of his serves. Scary.
I actually like everything about the vcore xi 98, and I think most people on this thread would like it as well. Its not as powerful as the blade, but its a more traditional HL balance. I should be content with it, and I'm actually playing very good with it, but for some reason it doesn't excite me.
Pour yourself a celebratory whisky because the mule got through. And although you'll hear about the incident with the computer bag and the suspicious customs men later :shock: , all is well, package is here. Picking up the goods in next day or two hopefully. :lol:
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