Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Ross K, Sep 11, 2010.
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No-one aside from Meags ever played Organix X 10? Okay, heavier, but seems like a ball-park similar frame to Blade. Would be interested to hear any impressions.
Hit the mid for about a minute at Indian wells but was so enamored by the Tec that I put it down.
Hit the MP for about 45 minutes several months ago and it wasn't bad, wasn't great, just kind of down the middle. Nothing that left me wanting more.
Guys! I´m VERY sorry to tell you, but what it feels like now, I am temporarly cured from my holism :/
The cure is called Babolat Aero Pro Drive original and it´s a medicine made back in 2005. It comes in a mostly black color with some yellow trims and has a very cool look.
The crisp, sweet responce this babe produce is just magic. I´m in love. It will be extremely interesting to take her for a drive on the clay next week
Now what?? If i dont have/need/must change frames every practice,, what shall i do then? New strings? Yep! New shoes!? Yes!
Weight distribution is very different than the Blades:
335 grams / 32 cm / 315 sW vs. 315 grams / 33.5 cm / 335 SW
One interesting thing about the X10 is the way it flexes. A company called FlexInfinity from Australia makes a pretty boss machine that tests flex at many points along the frame. Their analysis showed that the X10 is very similar to the C10 Pro in terms of flex, but with two differences:
1) It's stiffer at 3&9, which is what Volkl has been doing since the DNX line - using very stiff nanocarbons to stiffen the frame right there. (Which makes me wonder what the hell Head's Flexpoint was all about, LOL.)
2) The X10 has very high radial stiffness, which means the hoop is very resistant to being squashed. This probably accounts for all the reports that this stick strings up "crazy tight." Normally, when the ball hits the strings the hoop collapses somewhat from side to side - the 3&9 positions squeeze towards the center of the strings and forward towards the line of the shot. But the X10 would do this much less, accounting for Meaghs "hoop of steel." The upside of this would be that you could string much looser or use a very soft string and still maintain control. The X10 would seem ideal for natural gut.
I've bought 30 frames since Nov 2012 - do I qualify?
Awaiting 3 Pro Staff St Vincents...
You're in! Here's your badge...
Great frame . I have one . But then again I think I have almost every frame ...lol
So you like it better than the Steam 99S and the Speed Pro? In what way?
Just savour the moment (for however long it may last -lol)...
Seems like a few ppl are coming around now to how great this frame was/is.
Yep, you're in. :wink:
Cheers, great post re X 325.
Thanks, although I realize now that you were probably talking about the lighter X10, which is pretty similar to the Blades but a bit lighter. (I wish they would have made that one black too.)
Played a practice match against one of the world's most offending pushers today. Agreed to do so just to get some work in against this type of player. After a barrage of the pusher practice that I'd expected - moonballs and dinks galore, him bleeding the pace out of every shot and me working on refusing to fall into the same pattern, as I'm often too guilty of - and a 6-0, 6-1 defeat of said pusher, he makes a comment about the 'dinking' happening in the women's doubles match on the next court, and then makes a comment about being frustrated with some recent matches in which 'everyone was just pushing the ball.' I didn't know what to say, so I said nothing.
16x19 'dark destroyer' Blade set up now like my gold/black with VS/CoF. Battle commences tomorrow AM. Gentlemen, it is thus primed and ready...
Did you see "The Trip"? "Gentlemen, we ride at dawn..."
Classic stuff, Simon. I love Steve Coogan, so funny...
Getting really comfortable now with my Blade 104. Seems to fit my style of play perfectly. Also I restrung with NXT Tour 17 mains and Zo Verve crosses and its very nice. I went with 56/52 and its not too powerful at all. I believe the 104 is less powerful than the 98 and you can get away with lower tensions. The softer string bed really gives me nicer feel and is great for touch shots. I have come to realize I don't need poly mains unless I'm playing a high powered tweener.
Haven't tested the Steam 99 and Vcore Xi 98 yet, but I almost don't want to . I will be surprised if either can yank me away from the 104, but I will try them just to see what they have to offer.
I actually really liked Zo Verve in my Radical Pro's last winter. It's a nice hitting string, with a surprising amount of pop for a poly.
How does the Wilson 104 compare to the IG Radical oversize?
One of my favorite films of the last couple years. Simple. So funny.
Well Fuji, now I know what you mean when you say that these heavy sticks bug your shoulder! this stick is too much for me...I can see now that my preferred swing weight is about 325-330. As far as static weight, I'm not really sure. I think I'm gonna take a look at the APDGT since its on sale..and also the radical pro if I can find a used one...what a bummer.
Very similar in that they are both oversize versions of players racquets. The Rad has a more flexy feel is the biggest difference
It is a nice poly, but its a pain to string. Very wirey and coily.
I wont be vetting it again for that reason.
Jack, what's your favorite poly?
Gads, dog, Meags, others,
Here's one I've meaning to ask for a while...
Seems like a number of ppl REALLY rate this frame, so what exactly is wrong with it?!
Also, just what are it's general pro's and cons, stand out traits~?
Hands down one of the greatest baseline frames of all time. Great controlled spinny power. But flat serves are inconsistent, as are volleys, which tend to pop up rather than stick. Kickers are superb. Still one of my favorite frames of all time and ones I can't let go of, but no longer play meaningful matches with because of the serving trouble. Super comfy feeling frame, but would occasionally give me (and some others, but not all) tennis elbow.
Thanks Fuji - I'll treasure it:twisted::twisted::twisted:
No, I've been meaning to ask you and MD, as you both have mentioned previously how highly you regard it. Meaghan had a lengthy time with it too of course. Just a bit of racketaholic curiosity now my frame tastes have changed a little from a few years back when it came out. Anyhow, just to follow up...
Any thoughts on how it might suit a 2hbh?
Did the QC, speccing, build quality, etc, all live up to expectation?
Inconsistent volleys not such a massive deal for me, but can you say more re 1st serves... how bad was the problem here?
If you could compare it with any other frames, what comes to mind?
Cheers JG or anybody else
I was kinda the opposite, Was really good on groundies but I have used better for just baseline bashing, but was one of the best serving sticks I have used!
gads nailed it. brilliant stick from the baseline. i've swapped the grip for a leather one and added a bit of lead at 3 and 9. one of the best stick EVER from the baseline in terms of feel and control. great touch on half volleys at the net due the great feel. i have trouble sticking volleys with it though. on serves, due to the soft, flexy nature of the stick, i found that i had to move the toss farther into the court which helped.
works just fine for a 2hbh. doesn't feel like any other frame i own. it's pretty unique.
The key I found with serves with this frame was to use an abbreviated slap, sort of a Roddick-esque slap. I've actually gravitated toward this motion more and more here lately anyway, but when I was waist deep in bc20ville I was used to a much longer, traditional, Sampras-esque sort of wind-up/take back. Frame really doesn't feel like anything else, as md said.. It has this 'recoil' effect, sort of a way of snapping forward at the ball after the frame flexes. Noticed that the timing of this snap/recoil was extremely easy to nail and immediately get comfy with on groundies, but on serve it was almost as if with a longer motion the fra,e had already performed this snap/recoil BEFORE point of contact and so frame came through more dead at contact. When I went with the abbreviated motion and kind of slapped at the ball, the recoil was timed much better to actually come through and rip that serve as the 'recoil' effect intends to.
I think that's why many volleys sit up here as well. The frame is best and kind of snaps forward just after you swing the frame forward (say, a forehand). On volleys when the frame is more still as you're just looking to catch/punch the ball back, there's less forward momentum, which means less 'recoil' effect, so all you get is the ball finding the flex pocket of the frame and runs off/pops up before the snap forward recoil thing can really go into effect.
I don't know if any of that makes sense, but it's my best guess as to why the frame tends to shine so much on groundies but can be a but unpredictable on serve and volley. Don't get me wrong, I can hit some of the most blasting serves that I'm capable of doing with the 20, it's just not as consistent as with other frames with a more traditional flex/firmness. Because of this, when crucial points arrived, I remember going with a first-serve kicker more often than I normally would just because I didn't fully trust that first serve to go in under pressure, and also just because the kicker really really shined with this frame.
Anyone who kicks more than hits flat in first serve, this frame is just about as perfect as you can get in my opinion.
Still have an overwhelming affection for this though. A joy to hit groundies with.
Monte Carlo Masters officially on the bucket list. Good lord the place looks like paradise.
What an eye opening final. So impressive.
Cheers v/much Moz, Mad and Josh ^
None of you tempted to give it a relook? Sounds mighty impressive. :wink:
BTW, I do have experience of the BC30 actually. Really bugged my arm. Not quite sure what that was all about (could've been string related?) Nice frame though, just preferred my APD at the time. Different frame of course to the bC20. Also played older custom VT frames some years back. Superb quality.
Buoyed by this discussion I'll pick it from the frame corner and give it a few swings during my hit with MD later today, but I've given it enough looks in match play to where i know my others are just more trustworthy in those certain key moments. Such love for it I'll always keep it around though since groundies are so fun.
I hit the 30 for such a brief time I can't even totally recall my impressions of it, other than the 20 feeling more tight/precise and more to my liking weight and swing wise.
Had a Vantage custom myself awhile back. Great, great quality sticks all of them in terms of build and feel and solidity.
Yes, let me know how you find it should you again give it a little look, doubtless just for a few minutes in between an intense session with that accursed Yoko Fibre that certain ppl around here seem so enamoured by. :evil:
I say, that new Pacific X Cite string together with an X Force Pro (leather grip, otherwise stock) is quite a tremendous combo. I've grown to like it so much that I'm going to keep one or two in my bag alongside my trusted Blades, replacing my "reality check" Pure Drive. Such a sublime frame, this Pacific. I'm really staring to wonder why they're not much more talked about here... perfect feel with ample power and nice heft, loads of spin and control from the r'holic favourite 16/20 pattern, and decent quality control, what with the "Zero Tolerance" tech.
Too bad I won't have much time for tennis in the next couple of weeks - going to renovate a new flat and move, my club's pretty much closed in preparation for a certain ATP tourney (probably won't make it due to #1 and work, sigh) and on top of it I've managed to catch (again) a rather bad cold. Nonetheless I'm itching to give the new BX2 X Force Pro a try - there should be one with me sometime soon.
It's funny, the Beatles tint, the Yoko Fibre name... Every time I think of Power Player and his retirement from this great thread I now immediately get 'Blackbird' stuck in my head.
Big fan here of the X Force Pro too. Marvellous quality rack IMO. Agree - lovely control, feel, solidness, and something altogether, er, 'Fischer-ish' about it. Also, I'm about to check out Xcite this week as well.
Thanks to Ped for recommending the Blade 16x19. However, I don't know if it was the adjustment period, rust or some combination of the two, but I didn't really get on with it. I actually found the IGRP to have a bigger sweet spot (i know the stats don't back me up). Maybe IGRP's is located a little higher in the hoop, where I'm used to hitting?
Or, maybe I just don't get on with stiffer frames.
The maneuverability is superb and the plow through belies it's static weight, it was quite a strange (good) feeling. Also, it didn't take me any time to find my serve with it. I thought it was a great serving racquet.
I'll give it another couple of dates, but if it doesn't put out soon, I'm on to the next one. There's a cute little Volkl C10 Pro and a Yonex 95D that look appealing, spec wise.
P.P. You don't know it becuase I don't post a lot so I seem new here. But I've learned a lot from you just by reading your posts around the board. Thanks very much.
the BC20 is always in my bag although both of them are overdue for some new strings.
Always wondered about this frame. How is the power level on this one? Low? The stiffness rating seems like it would be rather flexy/noodle as well?
This is it. I'm done searching for rackets. The 4D 200 tour is much too heavy and low powered and has a tiny sweet spot.
I demoed the APD a long time ago and loved it, but didn't want to conform. Well, I'm gonna conform. Especially since I just broke one of my pro opens on an overhead... Only have one pro open left and that's it. Sending the 200 tour back tomorrow and buying a APDGT with my store credit.
However beautiful it looks on TV its even more so when you are there. Stay in Nice and take the coastal train into Monte Carlo Country Club every day and you will pass through some of the most beautiful coastal scenery in the world.
I don't know what it is, but there's a certain quality to the light that just seems to bathe it all in a warm glow, and the clay framed by the blue sea just looks beautiful.
Sit on Court Des Princes, its so intimate, you feel like you can high five the players or alternatively dive into the sea from one end.
When you've had your fill take the train back to Nice and feel the heat leave the day as the sun goes down whilst you sit at an outside table at one of the restaurants in the square.
Don't just bucket list it, do it !!!
It's interesting you found it low powered, I thought it was quite powerful because of the high swingweight.
Ah well, the APD is a super nice hit!
What do you like about the APDGT over the Pro Open? Why not just get another one of those?
If you do like the Pro Open however, they have a few of them so stupidly cheap right now used...
After using a modern ww forehand for so long, I cannot acclimate to the full stroke that this stick requires. Know what I mean? I have definitely found my limit! My elbow is throbbing right now from all of the off-center hits and frame shots lol.....smdh.
The pro opens swing weight is too low. I've recently added 12 grams to the head of mine as well as two over grips. It's just right.
When I demoed the APD, I felt like the sweet spot was much bigger than the pro opens, an it was actually easier to hit with. I felt like I was cheating! I also like the cosmetics much more. Have you hit with either of them?
True, however my pro open busted on an overhead and it was in c condition.
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