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Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Ross K, Sep 11, 2010.

  1. Power Player

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    Awesome, you have the 310 Tour G? Tour G is the GOAT yonex frame. The Ti80 is really, really good too, I know a top national junior from overseas who used it, but he said he was having more and more trouble finding grommets and backups so he moved to the Tour G.
     
  2. mad dog1

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    corners, have you had a chance to try the bc20 yet?
     
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    I wasn't a big fan of the VCore Tour 89 when I demoed. Admittedly, it is too demanding for me (like all mids), but of the ones I tried it was my least favorite. To me, it was sluggish to maneuver and swing and I didn't feel like it was much different in terms of power and forgiveness.

    It was more powerful than the Prestige Mid, but not as comfortable or maneuverable.

    I liked the Pro Staff 90 better. I'm not one who experienced the magic of the VCore 89.
     
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    for me, the vcore 89 was a magic log. too sluggish most of the time, but magic when the ball was struck right which unfortunately wasn't often enough. :lol:

    the best mid for me is the latest TW release of the bro staff 85. works better than any other mid for me.
     
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    I only tried the three I mentioned. Didn't see the need to try any others as I am pretty sure they are beyond my ability.

    The Prestige was probably the most demanding to me. Even if I connected I struggled to get any depth. 89 in head, 18x20, sub-320 SW...can't figure why I would struggle.

    At least with the other two, I felt like it was possible to hit a winner.
     
  6. mad dog1

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    could be tension was too high in the prestige?
     
  7. mad dog1

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    random rackaholic ramblings for a sunday

    just practicing some "R" alliteration ;)

    just say no: to kirschbaum pro line x in the rdti 80 @ 47/44#. while the orange color string looks like a million bucks coordinating well with the black/orange pj, unfortunately it plays like dookie in this stick. iontec salmon 1.25 going in next for sure.

    latest MD discovery: Pure Drive w/ Iontec salmon 1.25 @ 40#...performance is OUTTA this world good! :shock: as good as APD with Iontec salmon 1.25 at 43#. seem to have found a correlation...

    PD stiffness: 73RA Tension: 40#
    APD 2013 stiffness: 69RA Tension: 43#

    the stiffer the stick, the lower the tension needed.

    how good is the PD @ 40#s? GOAT good w/ excellent comfort.

    cats are curious: and so is the mad dog...Pro Supex Dynamic Energy...YIKES! this stick is PHENOMENAL! it's a softer, more substantial feeling APD.

    md1's updated list of GROAT in no particular order:

    note: all the below sticks have been modded w/ lead to achieve my desired balance, static and swingweight

    Babolat Pure Drive (poly @ 40#)
    Babolat APDO (poly @ 43#)
    Babolat APD 2013 (poly @ 41#)
    Babolat Pure Storm GT (poly at 46-48#)
    Pro Supex Dynamic Energy (still experimenting w/ strings)
    Yonex RD Ti 80 Lite (iontec 1.25 @ 47/44)
    Angell TC95 (poly @ 48#)
    Vantage BC20 (poly @ 48#)
    Prince Graphite 100 (iontec 1.30 @ 50#)
    Wilson Pro Staff 6.0 85 (latest TW reissue, iontec 1.25 @ 46#)

    ramble off. happy hitting! :)
     
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    but i thought Stan DOESN'T use this racquet!!! ;)
     
  11. JackB1

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    he doesn't.

    it's a paintjob only.
     
  12. Rozroz

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    so only we at TT know the truth?? :mad:
     
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    No kidding, but I must say they did a nice job out of the gate. Have played with both the 310 and the 330 I have to completely concur with the commentary. So dialed into the 310 right now. Perfectly suits my game by letting me take big topspin swings on my forehand side, while very much enjoying the larger sweet spot and solid feel on volleys (as compared to my prior YT Prestige MP). Even the comment about pronation on the serve is spot on as this past weekend I was able to effectively incorporate heavy spin into my first serve for the first time in years (fun, but maybe not great for the elbow). As well, they rightly point out that aothough the 310 is the light version of the racquet, that doesn't necessarily mean it is light. The specs are pretty much dead on as compared to my YT Prestige MP.

    For the most part my frame is stock, with the exception of overgrip, a dampener, and about 4 grams total of lead at 10 and 2, which largley offsets the overgrip. Was considering a leather grip, but honestly I was having so much fun with it last night that I really don't want to mess with it at all.
     
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    good to hear about the arm. no more 1 armed fish taco action any longer. :lol:

    missing my 'holic buddy so all is not well until you recover.
     
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    Maybe off topic and probably covered in this thread elsewhere...But what happened to Ross K?
     
  17. mad dog1

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    hasn't had much time for tennis these days. he's busy w/ work, life and other stuff.
     
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    How did it pan out for you guys who went after the prince tour pro 100...aimr, boricua, gads etc???
     
  19. aimr75

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    Its a very nice frame.. I have an additional 18grams added, swings easy, is nice and soft without feeling too flexy. Solid frame. Off centre shots are still nice and sweet spot is quite generous. You just have to be careful to not put a string in thats too powerful and/or string too low, control can be an issue. Not sure why but I put mosquito bite in it which ive never used before and strung at 52lbs. Feels a bit too powerful with this string. Will try a different string and see how it fairs.
     
  20. Boricua

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    I like the racket. Still adjusting to it but I like it and will stick with this one. I have to find the right poly for it. I prefer strings with edges. Tried Cyclone and it felt pretty good. Tried the round Pro Line X and liked the feel but not enough bite. Could try YTex Quadro Twist next.

    The Tour is great on the arm. Good spin. Very stable. Very dampened feel. Not overly flexible. I play with it in stock form.
     
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    Agree with the dampened feel. You don't need a dampener with this frame I've found
     
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  22. Boricua

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    I personally use the dampener with this and any racket. I don't like the ping sound.
     
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    I typically use a dampener too, rubber band. Somehow it came loose so just tried hitting without it and found it didn't ping much at all
     
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    Totally agree here. Added another to the collection today. Tour bite 16L @ 55lbs plays fantastic in this frame.
     
  25. Fed Kennedy

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    You customizing? Was thinking about adding about 15g total. I need a liiiitle more plow theu on the 1hbh...
     
  26. JGads

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    When you guys say dampened, you don't mean mushy, right?
     
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    Just a little. 3 grams at 3,9 & 12
     
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    Not mushy at all. Very similar feel to the Tfight 315. Plush but with plenty of feedback.
     
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    Groovy. The Tec 315 feel comparison is tantalizing.
     
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    It has really good feel, just a teeny bit light. I thibk i would go 3 g at 12 and the rest on the handle
     
  31. aimr75

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    Agree, not mushy. With the tec, they are more similar than different, just easier to use with a larger sweet spot and power
     
  32. corners

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    I didn't have lots of time to hit with it but I was generally impressed with the Tour Pro 100 and agree with what the others are saying about it. Crisp and flexible at the same time (with Beast XP at 52 pounds actual) for me. This is the first Prince stick I've hit that has good feel since before the holes, portholes, etc. I could, however, see where the TW reviewers were coming from with the low marks given for control. The stringbed seemed a little jumpy compared to the players' frames I was hitting alongside this one. But I think with some tweaking that depth control could be dialed in (although the frame might never be a standout in control.)

    I wish Prince would have spent more than twenty minutes on the paintjob, though. Would respond well to being blacked out.
     
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  33. JGads

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    That's a big red flag for me.
     
  34. Fed Kennedy

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    The tension range on the frame has 58lbs mid... A little higher than most
     
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    String pattern is pretty open on this stick so i could see where it might have some hot spots. I tend to drive more than hit loopy spin and have not had any issues.
     
  36. Boricua

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    A low power polyester string fixes the situation.But I personally dont find the stringbed jumpy. Not low powered either.
     
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  37. Boricua

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    I like the paint job. You dont?
     
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    I hit with the new Tour 100 (16x18) yesterday. It is definitely an improvement on the Exo3. The extra stiffness gives it more of a consistent feel but it is still very soft on the arm. Had these come out before "spinny goodness", aka the Tour 100T ESP I probably would have ditched the Exos for these.

    As for string, I like Cyclone Tour best in the ESPs. I do have a set of Ytex Quadro Twist on the shelf for future play testing.
     
  39. corners

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    Gads, I wouldn't let my comments scare you off. All the other frames I was hitting that day were very similar (Tour G 310, Rdti 80 Lite, HPS 6.0 95, etc. - basically all the same specs) but the Prince was the odd one out. So of course it was going to feel a bit jumpy and "powerful" in comparison. I don't see any reason why such liveliness can't be adjusted or controlled, though. If guys are controlling 16x16 Princes, a 16x18 Prince should be no problem, right? :)

    The good news for me with the Prince was that it was not a step down in feel compared to all the thinner-beamed "feel sticks" I'm comparing it to.
     
  40. Power Player

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    Control is why I love the yonex. The Prince sounded interesting, but yonex sticks are so well made when you find a frame you really like it is hard to go back to Prince, which have pretty weak PJs and the quality is a little below. That being said, I am really happy to see that there is another Tfight alternative out there and it sounds a little easier to tweak as well. Knowing how good the POG felt, I don't doubt this racquet is probably their best offering.

    For me, the YY is continuing to deliver. I am able to loop or drive the ball equally well, which is rare. For one guy I play I like to loop a little more because he can't deal with the spin on the ball, and then when I get a sitter I have that perfect line drive trajectory that makes hitting winners a lot easier.

    This thing is a home run for me and I'm definitely going to get a 310 since I know the frame so well now. I'd love to see how the stick reacts to a little more polarization plus the increased speed when it is a little bit lighter. Could be another level of control and feel if it still can deliver without the mass of the 330.
     
  41. corners

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    Yeah, PP, totally get a 310 and play around. I did not lead up the demo I had because I was comparing it primarily to three other YYs with nearly the same specs. But I can't think of any reasons why a leaded 310 couldn't match or better a 330.
     
  42. Fed Kennedy

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    Corners, who won that battle royale between all those yy for you? For me the 89 is still the champion.
     
  43. JGads

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    Stan??

    Weird.
     
  44. mad dog1

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    WOW weird, indeed!

    Nishikori? weird, too.
     
  45. corners

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    Well, my big plans kinda fell flat. I just don't have time for the type of systematic play testing I'd like to do. I did not hit the 89 at all. I decided that the head size is just too small - I need to move to a midplus - so didn't even want to be tempted. Pretty cowardly, I know, but...the time issue comes into play here as well.

    As far as the 98s and 97s, I didn't get a definitive result here because I wasn't able to carry out my plan of stringing them all identically. I had:

    Tour G 310 demo with YY Poly HS at 45
    Rdti 80 with Sidewinder at 36
    Tour 97 310 with Sidewinder at 40
    HPS 6.0 95 Tour with Sidewinder at 42

    (All tensions post-initial tension loss w/ RacquetTune). Strings were not homogeneous and neither were the tensions. Specs on these four frames were almost identical - 330 grams / 32 cm balance / 315 swingweight. If I were to stick with one of these I would add mass at 12 or 11 &1 but I played them stock to see what they were about. Because I didn't get them all apples to apples with the strings I don't want to draw firm conclusions, but in general I liked the Tour G the best, mainly because of the feel. It had a crispness on top of it's flex that I really liked. But obviously this could have been more than a little due to the strings. Otherwise, I thought they all played similarly that I could exchange one for the other without much trouble. Subtle differences. All the YYs felt livelier than the HPS 6.0 95, which is what I've been playing with primarily for the past two years, so they all are in line to replace it. I also thought all four were as good as the HPS in the feel department. So basically, I've now got a bunch of YYs that I like and will try to grab a Tour G 310 to add to the bag for extended demo. This is not a satisfactory result as I was hoping to find a clear winner that would move onto the next round. The only thing I did not like about the Tour G was that I felt the frame shudder several times when hitting off center. I didn't feel this with the other two YYs. The Tour 97 (red) felt more rigid in the hoop.

    One thing I noticed is that the Tour 97s are identical in hoop shape to the Rdti 80 from 3&9 and above. Below 3&9 the Rdti 80 is wider and longer - the bridge is almost a centimeter lower down on the Rdti 80 than on the Tour 97s. If the Rdti 80 is a true 98 then the Tour 97s are true 95s. Since I hit higher in the hoop I don't mind this and kind of favor the Tour 97s shape, particularly as it's very conducive to shortening. The Rdti 80 felt the liveliest of them all and this could be due to the longer mains or due to the lower tension I had this one at. Again, inconclusive and lame.

    The most definitive comparison I can make at this point is cosmetic:

    Tour G>Rdti 80 (blue/red version)> Tour 97

    But even here I think they are all beautiful racquets. The Tour 97 (red) bulbous throat is now starting to bug me when compared to the more classic shapes of the other two. Next stage is to play these two YYs side by side with Gadsy's BC20, get a Tour G into the mix and hopefully add the Fed Autograph 98 as well.

    So, in sum, I think my playtest adds next to nothing about what we know of these YY mid pluses.
     
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  46. Power Player

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    Love the Tour G, and it has surpassed yoko to me as my personal goat frame. I know the frame sizes really well and it plays like a 102 to me even though it's not.

    Agree with the description of the feel. It's real buttery but also crisp, which is the ultimate combo (very prestige like or pro staffian).

    I doubt that will change much with string setup as I use poly mains, syn gut cross and got the same vibe as you.
     
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    Stawp tempting me! Geez :)
     
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    Prostaffian...I like that. 95S is very much this way. It's almost like it starts soft, but firms up as the ball hangs on the strings. You can feel the racquet flex and release. Fantastic feel and it too plays much bigger than the 95 sq inch spec. The open pattern really opens up the sweet spot.

    The 95S with some lead in the hoop is quickly becoming my GOAT frame.
     
  49. corners

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    Yeah, there is a crispness on top that I really like. It reminds of how Kiteboard once described the H22 in comparison with the PT57. The PT57 was like a hard boiled egg and the H22 was the same but with the shell still on. Something like that, anyway:)

    With the 310 version of the G I didn't notice any sluggishness as compared to the other very similarly specced YYs.
     
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    Yeah, give it a go. :) I would be interested in hearing your thoughts in comparison to the PS 95 and IG Pro.
     

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