Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Ross K, Sep 11, 2010.
Gads are you full-time in NYC or back in LA? I can not keep up with your jet setting lifestyle.
NYC for the foreseeable future.
I traded one of my racquets for a Blx Pro Staff 95 (damn you PP ;-)). First of all, I much prefer the 2012 cosmetic, really classy, although the 100 anniversary edition is goatish looking.
This is probably one of the best feeling frames there is, something you can expect from a 18mm box beam. The dwell time is simply fantastic, gives me the impression that I can manipulate the ball trajectory at will.
The power is low, especially in the upper hoop, but the spin excellent, you can swing out confidently, I think it's even recommendable, the spin window is pretty good for a 95 frame. The power level only bothers me a little bit on passing shots when stretched. I've only played it in stock form, I'll put some lead in the hoop to bring the Sw to 325.
I think it's a mistake that Wilson stops producing this model honestly, the new PS97 seem interesting but the beam is too thick and quite stiff.
Next week I'll try the Graphene Extreme pro, it's high time they put the tk82s pallets in this line, makes a lot more sense to me in a modern racquet.
I've been playing on indoor carpet a couple of times in the last few weeks. Damn, I totally forgot what a fun surface this is! Super fast, super low bounce. Old school - serve, return, boom. Will most probably book a spot for the winter.
Sticking with the Ai98 for now. Kinda want to try out a Rev Pro.
edit: Of course the new Pure Drive will be a must buy for me for sure. Always keep a PD in the bag.
Awesome Gads. I email with JoelDali, pickle and Jo11y. Those guys would be perfect for you to hit with. I wish I could myself.
Awesome. I really like the lead on the sides more than the tip. It makes a big difference where you place the lead on this frame so experiment a little with it.
Yeah I'm going to give them a shout. Just hope I can give them a decent enough hit given my layoff.
So still loving the staff 95? What's it weighted at ?
Yes I am. A lot. It's leaded to 345 grams 322 swing weight , balance of 6 pts.
Amazing frame. I may get a PS97 to see how I play with the extra pop,but I am not sure if my arm would dig it.
The thing about the Pro Staff is you have ultimate control over the ball. It's not powerful, but I can still hit the snot out of the ball. It just doesn't have that weight of shot that the Tour G has. But what I have realized is that is way overrated for anything under pro level.
The drawback of the lower power is you can hit short replies. But those have gone down because I have the confidence to lean into my shots. On balls to the corners that are tough to get, I just lift them like mini lobs, nice and deep into the court and reset.
The feel is so, so good and it is so customizable that I think it would be a great option for you to return to the game and keep things nice and easy while you build your strength up.
Racquet bros - I did not like the RF97 really at all. There's nothing about it that wowed me. Maybe you need gut mains for it..who knows. But its not a comfortable frame, and it does not come close to the sweet feel of the PS95, Tfight 315 or Yonex Tour G. In fact, if you want a goat frame at that weight, get the Yonex. It is a better frame IMO.
^ my demo was strung very tight and felt quite harsh to me. I put it down after a short while. Not for me. My PS95s feels much nicer
100 % agree.
Chris has declared a potential switch to the Volkl 295 Super g. Says it feels like a Prestige MP. Woah.
I think the PJ is awesome. Very connors-esque. Thats the best PJ ever.
Following up on this, I am rather stunned to read that Chris is playing this Volkl in stock form and experiencing basically Holic bliss.
Does this intrigue me? Indeed it does.
EDIT : Demo acquired. Impressions to come.
Interested to see what you think. I saw a guy at my club yesterday swinging the frame as well.
Yeah, I am blown away that Chris is using it stock and thinks it is fine. Curiosity aroused, especially since my serve is so spin oriented.
I have not gotten on well with light frames, but it's worth a shot. If I love it and it's too light, there is always lead.
I also strung up Cyclone Tour mains in the Pro Staff. Really intrigued by how this string plays in low powered frames. Could be a great match. So far going between polybreak and Snakebite.
Snakebite and Cyclone Tour are fairly similar so you should like it.
PP what's your racquet situation currently? Is you main stick still the TourG?
I am still doing well with the Speed MP (revisted) and have no complaints...only curiousities I am interested in testing the PS97 LS. I would also love to retest a (lighter than spec) PS97 with full multi. I got a demo freshly and tightly strung with Lux 4G and it wrecked my shoulder. I was probably overswinging with it though. I think I can acclimate to the PS97 if I take is slow...maybe add a little more weight to my Speed first, so it's not a big jump from 300 grams to 315.
I am pretty much off poly now and have a few packs of Cyclone Tour. Let me know if you want them for cheap or want to swap something. I also have some regular Cyclone too and maybe some Psycho.
mr mikeler, i've tried cyclone tour in 3 different sticks (16x19 and 18x20) at different tensions (btwn 45 and 55#) and just don't get the same type of control i get from regular cyclone or iontec. do you have a similar experience?
Cyclone Tour definitely has more pop and elasticity than the regular version.
But its also more comfortable.
I would go a few pounds higher when stringing it for sure.
regular Cyclone is good stuff!
already tried higher...i normally string regular cyclone ~45-50#s. ~45# in tighter patterns and closer to 50# in open patterns so 55#s is a few # higher already for cyclone tour. at that tension, it's even less comfy than cyclone at my preferred tensions.
No I have been using the PS95 for 2 months or so and of course have the Tec as well. I have them all set up to the same 345/320 SW spec.
I am intrigued by the 295 Super G. Always have been since prior versions because people seem to swear that you can play it in stock form at that weight. I just never really was a huge Volkl fan, but after reading Chris's review, I figured it was worth a demo. He really sold me on trying it, especially since he loves heavier frames.
It is also one of those rare moments that I love the PJ so much I need to see it in person. I have said before, when I was a kid I had to have the connors USO estusa. It was the first PJ besides the Agassi Donnay that grabbed my eye and made me want to try a racquet.
Also have a Ps95S demo coming with poly in it since Aimr75 seems to dig it.
After those demos I will either buy a 3rd PS95 or one of these demos if I like them more.
Yeah I will let you know on that. My guess is this could be a great match for lower powered frames, but I will find out when I hit.
I went 58#s over 56. Crossed with Forten Sweet. I have been looking for more pocketing and less boardiness lately, so I think this could be an ideal main string. If not, I will continue with polybreak.
I also threw 2 packs of Prince tournament Nylon 15 gauge to put in my backup frames - (tec 315 and a PS95). I have never used it and like full syn gut beds, so I figured why not.
Regular cyclone only lasted me 4 sets the one time I tried it. Iontec kept breaking on shanks, so I did not get a ton of time with either of those strings. I don't have any control issues with Cyclone Tour. It lasts awhile even in a 16x16 and I play well with it. I'm going to try out Typhoon 1.30 and then settle on that or Cyclone Tour for a little while.
Price is good..feel is soft, durability should be good.
I am hoping it is a winner as poly break is getting tough to find.
thanks for that update PP.
I cannot even look at that 20mm Volkl 295. It does sound good though for someone looking for a light players stick. My Speed is 22.5mm and that's about as thin as I will go.
The Cyclone tour is a nice fit for the PS95 on day 1. I don't really judge a poly off the bat because things can go south in a hurry. But I will say that the power level was definitely higher and it was clearly easier to hit a heavy shot with this string.
This string appears to potentially be a great match for control frames. The feel is very nice and plush in a hybrid.
How does it compare to Snakebite? I've read a couple people compare the two as being in the same realm?
Snakebite is not as soft and has less power and pocketing. It is more of a control focused poly and is good in the PS95, but probably even better in frames with more power.
The Cyclone Tour clearly gave me a heavier ball with more pace when I went back and forth with it and polybreak.
Makes sense! Pretty much all the guys using Black Drives (plus) are using snakebite. It's honestly one of the BEST combos I've ever had the chance to use, they just compliment each other so well.
Cyclone Tour doesn't change much after the initial tension drop. It may lose more tension as it ages but not enough for me to tell a difference. I might switch back to it if Typhoon 1.30 doesn't give me similar durability.
Well this could be a winner then for me. I will continue to play with it and see how it goes but it appears to be a great match for the PS95.
Fellow Holics, I believe we have hit a crossroads.
Perusing through frames at my local store, I started to realize - nothing really intrigues me anymore because so many frames are copycats.
The Pro Staff 95 and 90 are no mas. Only thing close is the 95S, so that means you have to use full poly. The new Pro Staff is a totally different experience, focused on skull numbing power.
The Prestige as we know it - done. Now a polarized frame with the feel of a tin can.
Dunlop - They have gone from lizard skin to screw on handles. Head scratching, depressing.
The Tec Yoko - Eradicated and replaced with a stiff imposter.
Sure, we can stock up on discontinued frames and sit around touching our POGs, or we can accept that up and coming players are going with new tech, new strings, and as a result these soft, sweet feeling frame releases will not be as plentiful anymore.
Not sure when I will ever want a power frame, as I seem to do much better with the control frames, but how about a lighter control frame? Something the can be flicked around like a wand while stable and stiff enough to give back depth when stretched out on the run?
Well, that is appealing to me.
This reminds me a lot of cycling. Heavier steel, the flexy racquets of road cycling for so long have basically been eradicated by ultra light carbon. How does something so light handle the bumps of the road, purists screamed? But now all those purists are riding frames that weigh basically nothing and are raving to me about them, while I putz around on my fixed gear steel.
Well, it looks like slowly the tennis racquets are figuring out the same thing. Its just not there yet.
With the discontinuation of Yoko and the PS95, this lead me to wonder - whats next? What is the new Pro Staff? Is it the Yonex Tour G? Is the Wilson Blade actually morphing more into the ProStaff while the ProStaff has morphed into a 6.1Blade?
Who knows. Just interesting stuff. For me, I will be trying out a Volkl, which never happens. But it seems like this company and Pro Kennex are the 2 frame makers who figured out how to make stiffer frames that don't crank your arm.
I learned one thing back in the day - if you are going to go lighter, you need to go stiffer, and you need to somehow have comfort. If you can get all of those things, then you will need to pick between power and control. For me, I pick control every time.
Anyway, it's either stock up time or search for some newer frames. The Volk demo should answer some questions there.
and for this reason...i've stocked up on:
4 Bab Pure Storm GTs (regained the pole position; finding i'm really jiving with the 16x20 patterns; getting the ideal blend of power, spin and control)
4 Bab Pure Storm Team GTs (tied for 2nd place)
2 Fischer Mag Speed Pro No. 1s (tied for 2nd place)
4 Head MG Prestige MPs
2 Head IG YT Prestige MPs
guess if i run out of Storm GTs, i could always switch to the Pure Control Tour
Power Player. You mentioned Pro Kennex, next time you order some demos try the Q Tour 295. Believe me I have tried them all and have switched to these. I can't stand a "powerful" frame that I have to reign in and like you appreciate the control so I can swing out. I have these with lead @ 3-6 and 12 with a Wilson Shock Shield grip for more weight and am very happy. The 57 flex TW shows seems accurate which made me go "Wow" the first few volleys I hit and you can really feel the pocketing. Most will never try these cus they are not as popular but you seem to be willing to go with what works. The regular Q tour was too much work for me but these are great.
Have you played the Babolat PS LTD GT/Pure Control 95? I recently strung one of mine up with full poly and can't seem to put it back down. Wondering how it compares to the Wilson 95 and Tech 315 for you?
I'm thinking I should demo the Pure Control 95+ sometime soon. Anyone have a comparison between the plus and the standard length?
Its funny I was checking out the Qtour 295 as an option. My plan is to give the Volk 295 a real shot first. The reason is their frames are stiff, but don't hurt the arm, which enables me to go really light and see how it plays.
I have a fast aggressive swing, and I think that is why I have gotten on so well with the Tec 315 and the PS95. The only real drawback to them is they have to be heavy to enable depth of shot.
I tried a friends Graphene Radical MP, and this frame could really be special if they figure out how to protect the arm better. It has a ton of zip to it and is super light. My friend is a certified coach with very nice technique, but he says the frame is getting to his shoulder a bit. But it opened my eyes a little when I hit with it and was able to zip the ball to the same spots as with a heavier frame, except it got there a little faster.
My theory is if you hit with a more extreme grip and can generate your own power, a light control frame is a very nice option. But the only way to pull this off is you need some stiffness to make up for that weight, or the string bed needs to wide open. Perfect example is Mikeler who uses a light frame with a very low SW and he hasn't seemed to have a problem with the lack of weight.
Anyway, worth a shot. If It doesn't work out, I have some great frames in the bag in the PS95s.
I also got a PS95S demo just to see what the difference is. I am guessing I will get them sometime next week.
As for the the Pure Control. Almost positive I would like that frame a lot. But I can't see how it would be better than the PS95 for me, as I prefer the more open pattern. 18x20 is a blast and has very nice control, but I've been a 16 mains guy now for close to 2 years and I don't think Ill go back.
^^^ I do use full poly to counteract the softness of the frame combined with the open pattern.
And you don't mod the frame at all, correct?
I just think a frame that light can lend itself to nasty spin serves and consistent racquet head speed over the course of long matches as long as you have the technique.
How 'bout Pure Control Tour? Light-ish (ll.8 oz/317SW) and HL, 63 RA, and 16x20 pattern, so you still get those 16 mains. Tried this out on a whim a couple of months ago and have been really enjoying it; first Babolat I've ever used (also have an Ai98 which I also like). And no arm or shoulder problems to date.
Keep on 'holicing you Phearless Phreak
PP, you're not into extended length anymore, right? If you were I'd recommend the Pure Control Plus 95. It's casually a sweet frame for control seekers. Basically like an old PS Limited but the added length gives you some extra oomph that was always missing from the PSL. I'd send you mine if I could for a demo, but it's back in Cali at the moment.
Im not, but that is a nice option regardless, and I do remember you liking it. I have a feeling the Volkl may be exactly what I'm looking for, but if not, consider me in. Id get that and a Qtour 295 in a demo box. Adding to this Volklization is that I have wanted a highlighter glow stick PJ since I was a wee lad.
Also checked out the PCtour.
My only issue with these frames is I hate woofer grommets and I don't see what they would bring to the table that the PS95 does not.
I think the next wave is light, stiffer frames with tech that ensure they don't hurt the arm. Pk7g is a good example of this, I just can't get on with XLs.
Or Im totally off, and I will go back to my PS95's and Yoko.
Other thing I am noticing since going down to 1/4 grip on a wilson. I like it better, but I tend to go western after a few shots for some reason. Im going to hit with the Tec today and see if that happens with the more rectangular grip. It's not a huge thing, just something I have noticed since going down to 1/4.
Not ever having been a Babs user before, what is about woofer grommets that folks don't like?
Looking forward to your review on the Volkl. I was using the V1 Pro last year and enjoyed many things about it (except the head heavy feeling and a little bulky at times). Had the V1 Classic when I first started getting serious about tennis years ago.
Pure Control Tour is basically a slightly lighter Pure Storm Tour. In fact my modded Pure Storms are spec'd pretty much the same as the new Pure Control Tour. needless to say, i think they're awesome sticks!
To me the woofers feel spongey and take away from the ball feel. They are good on the stiffer Bab frames, but to me pointless on the Pure Control frames.
Hit with the PS95 and cyclone again tonight. This a really nice feeling setup and has plenty of springy power. I would not use it in a tweener, but in a control frame, it really delivers and feels nice and pockety. I may try the 17 gauge, as the 16 has a lot of power and 17 gauge seems to bring a little more control.
Also noticed the biggest challenge of the 345 gram frames is really just defending the contact point on the backhand. I am hitting rather clean shots right now, but it can be fatiguing at times. Still really love the feel and feedback this frame. Also am able to generate a heavy shot again, so a soft poly main is very beneficial. My footwork has improved a lot over the past year, and my prep is on time a lot more consistently so I will be interested seeing if a lighter frame makes things easier and a little less fatiguing. It is a lot of work to play technically sound tennis, but this will also help me get in even better shape.
Tried a Pure Strike 320 gram for a bit tonight as well. Was not feeling it, but the string job was not that great either, so I think that was definitely part of the problem.
i know what you're saying...i used to have some issues w/ woofer grommets but after going to a couple of futures events where so many of the players were playing with babolats and had no problems controlling the ball and playing at a high level...
dennis novikov: pure control tour
jarmere jenkins: pure storm tour gt
jason jung: pure drive gt
greg jones: babolat (can't remember what stick exactly)
...i decided it's just me and my technique. been working w/ a coach for the past 4 weeks and can confirm that it was my technique. but the TF315 ltd 16/19 is a super sweet stick as well. lower powered than my modded Storm GT, but has great feel. i brought it out a few days ago and the issues i had with it previously were all gone since the pro has fixed alot of technique issues. i enjoyed it so much, i'm considering adding a little more lead for some more power and trying it out for a longer trial period.
Yeah, its a feel thing for me, its not detrimental to my control or anything. I just don't like them on players frames basically.
The Tfight 315 is a wonderful feeling frame. Crisper and firmer than the Pro Staff 95, but still soft with that explosive and rich sweet spot. I really love it, and worst case can always go back and pull it out of the bag anytime I want.
i like my storms alot...think it has to do w/ the 16x20 pattern having a little more power and a slightly bigger sweetspot than the mg prestige mp 18x20 pattern yet more control than the vantage or APD 16x19. however, like you mention, the feel while good isn't great so i picked up a pair or Fischer Mag Speed Pro No. 1s. 16x20 patterns that are a little lower powered in stock form than the Storms, but offer better feel. i actually had one about 3 yrs ago and sold it. regret selling that one now. think i'll add some lead to the Fischer and see how that works out.
but the 315 ltd is gold.
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