Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Ross K, Sep 11, 2010.
Just get ahold of the previous VCore 98d. It's the same exact frame with more flexiness (65 vs 69).
It is very odd the way he just disappeared, but PP says he's OK, so I hope that's true.
Cheers to Ross for starting this monster of a thread that has become our virtual "racquet/tennis water cooler".
The JaGWiTCH Effect.
Yessss. Gads I think it works. The reason is if I show up with another frame I know I am going to get grief and hear "it's not the racquet!"
Also when you see someone wrecking everyone in open tournaments with the exact same frame it tends to put things in perspective. Let's see how it goes, but I am having blast with it and just working on my technique.
LM Radical MP? Great racket, have one myself. No mods required except for a leather grip to give a more hl balance. Goes about its business with quiet authority. Just a solid, dependable frame.
I just don't know about this, not necessarily from the specs - which obviously prove you're technically correct - but just from my own memory. I think I got to swing the VCore 98 D two different times before, and both times it felt like an uncomfy, pingy frying pan that was extraordinarily rigid in the throat. This VXi98, while still undoubtedly firm, hasn't seemed nearly as pingy, wiry, rigid, whatever you want to call it. To me it actually reminds a bit more of the RDiS 100 - but with a more closed pattern - than the VCore 98D.
And I know TW reviews are to be taken with certain grains of salt, but Chris seemed to indicate the same 'this version is softer than the last' feeling when he wrote:
Chris found the Xi 98 to be a very forgiving, comfortable and easy racquet to use, but didn't enjoy the dampened feel. He said, "The sweetspot felt very generous and I was able to rally with effortless depth, pace and spin. Even with a stiff poly string, I found the racquet to be very, very comfortable. However, the racquet felt overly dampened to me. I thought the previous version felt a tad too dampened, but this one is dampened further still. While it made the comfort great, it left me feeling too disconnected from where the ball was going.
Ha. Precisely how I would describe my Polish coach who wields it.
Did anyone here ever try this frame?
Just noticing it now. Specs are lovely.
98 sq. in. / 632.26 sq. cm.
Length: 27in / 68.58cm
Strung Weight: 11.4oz / 323.18g
Balance: 13.05in / 33.15cm / 4 pts HL
Beam Width: 21.5mm / 21.5mm / 21.5mm /
Think there is a thread running extolling it's virtues on the main page.
Gotcha, just read through it. It starts out extolling the virtues, then loses momentum, much like the shots that apparently come off the bed.
Mmm the TW review seems a lot more positive than the people who have actually hit with it. Funny how that happens!
So, I finally say 'goodbye' to demo'ng. So long 'woofer-settlers' and Japanese katanas. Hit the POG 100 for an hour and fell in love with it, now they can't be had anywhere!? Sold-out until late Jan. 2015!
The irony of it all.
Sent some feelers out, made a call. 2 in 3/8's grip to be had, sitting behind a wall of watered-down graphene slappers, ageing like wine.
'Put 'em on hold til tomorrow, would you?'.
'No problem, what tension you want the champions choice at?'.
I am only going by my own comparison between the Si98 and the VC98d.
The Si felt and played almost identically to the Si98, but with a touch more flex and softness. I didn't have any of the "pingy frying pan" feelings you had, but these things are very subjective.
Yonex frame names are weird and confusing.
The Xi98 was pingy for me at first. Now it isn't. I'd suggest medium - soft polys.
Actually Gads - what strings are you currently able to use? Can you go with poly yet or no?
Yeah, I can. Been hitting a Champions Choice hybrid in the PS95 but both of the demos I have are poly-ied up, not sure which. (a blue one of some kind is in the Yonex)...
I'm hitting one last time with the Yonex tomorrow, then going to the shop to drop off the sticks. If I choose to buy the Yonex, I'd just ask them for the absolute most comfy full poly bed that they'd recommend (they don't have Solinco strings, so my go-to TB Soft is out) at a low tension, probably somewhere in the 40s. But I may also just pass and wait to make a frame move when I get back to the States next week. We'll see where the day takes me.
Are you gonna be in Polska much longer?
I would just wait to get back state-side and do it proper.
Coming from America, when I was living overseas, I realized how good it was out here Tennis-wise. Demos,sales on everything, shoes, strings, frames, etc. The lack of choices and price at times, is outrageous in Europe, compared to the US.
Yep, you got it good. Playing on a cold, rainy Tuesday night takes motivation. We got POG 100's though
Leaving next Wednesday. Reasons for buying here would be a) demo fee would go toward the purchase, which would make the frame cost around $100, I think, for a new one. And b) my coach wants me to play in a pseudo round robin 'tournament' on Friday night.
But the way I'm playing (and most especially serving), I don't think the PS95-to-the-Yonex switch would necessarily propel me from gimpy American to evening champion.
^Those reasons all make sense. Holic'approved
Ha! Love it. True too. You can find the best frames just sitting around in pro shops all over Europe and the UK. I remember in 2010, sifting through a shop in Italy, found an nBlade98 and Liquidmetal Instinct Tour XL, just sitting there, looking tempting with the plastic 'round the grip.
170euros a pop and the owner would not budge, he figured, he's had them this long. Should've got the Instinct looking back.
Was just looking to demo this one to try against the Si love the specs
Just looked up the specs of that Instinct XL. Wow, tasty.
Let me know if you ever get the chance. Seems like it might play like a more forgiving Prestige.
Alrighty then. Played. And ultimately did the very unGadsbian thing and decided to pass.
The Yonex is a great frame, does everything well, and I could play with it in matches and be fine. But ultimately, the more I played, the more I simply realized I just like what I like -- the softer sticks, especially right now, that have a bit more flex. And I think I'm inching closer, strength wise, to being able to reunite with some of my old frames, or flames, soon enough anyway.
And what really cemented this home for me today was that after playing with the Yonex for most of my session, I pulled from the bag the IG Prestige I have with me along with the Pro Staff but haven't really played with, and two aspects of the Prestige were like a 'coming home': 1, the softer feel, and 2, the grip shape. In fact the Prestige completely shined for me on serve today - compared to all other sticks lately - because I kind of just loosened up the grip completely, didn't go for much, just a nice, easy motion, letting the frame itself hit through the ball rather than arming it more so as I was doing with the lighter frames. And, the Head grip shape is just what I'm used to now on serve; seems to give me a better feel for pronating properly and such.
And so, just returned the frames to the shop and ate the demo fee, no biggie. Will be playing in some kind of round robin tourney tomorrow night, and will go into battle with the Prestige and the PS95. The coach wants me to play against the highest-level players that will be there (I'm not exactly sure how this thing works, or how many players, just that everyone plays three one-set matches off and on).
Please pray for my serve and my footwork in the clay. Should be fun, though.
We do tend to be a bit behind the times here in the good old UK. There are some modern on-line shops with current frames in stock but a lot of the regular sports shops carry old stock and try and pass it off as current models. Most of the public who have no clue about rackets therefore get duped into buying old frames at new prices. My local Sports shop had an RDX500 that they only sold (finally) about a year ago. They were asking £80 for it!
I often find myself shopping on TW Europe which, despite being located in Freiberg is often cheaper and quicker than buying from the UK! Looking at a Prince Response 97 for 70 Euros.
Gads that makes sense. And I share the passion for the soft, flexy stuff so making the transition was tough. At the end of the day I saw that it benefitted my game too much to not do it.
That being said, if you decide to revisit stiffer modern frames, you have now played one of the gold standards imo. So you know one that works.
It may very well be worth giving the Ai98 another ride as well if you go out there with the Prestige and PS95 and ever start to feel a little outgunned. That has to the be the frame of the year. That thread just keeps getting new owners in it.
Indeed. Definitely on the train of thought that people that like the stiffer Babs (PD and APD) but looking for an alternative should look Yonex.
^Gads? You hit the ai98? Fantastic frame. Completely understand the positive press on this one.
Never even thought of the possibility that the shop owner(s) are trying to pull one on somebody by offering older frames for current prices. Makes sense. The overall market is smaller in Europe and the UK, so those gems of old can be found if one looks.
On a side note, picking up the POG 100's after work today. Then last night, my wife asks me if I want some Wilson frames...... Free of charge! Yeah, I'll take 'em.
Her club is sponsored by Babolat, so she has to play and promote Babolats. But it used to be Wilson a year ago. So, sparing everyone the details of how she got these, I'll mention that they are the 95S. Don't know if it's the old pj or the new one, and apparently, they're coded, cannot sell them.
Whatever, I've spent enough $$$ on frames in the past 5 years or so that I'll take free. I like free. Should be an interesting holiday season of hitting coming up.
Nice catch on the 95s. Had a demo of one for a week. Nice frame but needs some lead for stability. Tooing and froing over the Prince Response 97 or POG 100. Do you have experience of both?
None whatsoever on that front. The prince response 97 also has some nice specs to it, seems like 'bulldog' specs. Beefy and solid.
I think FedK, who drops in every once in a while, has had a hit with this one and the POG100.
Don't really have expectations for the 95S. About 2 years ago, switched my forehand grip from western to eastern when on the base-line, which changes everything. After the change, the spin frames really didn't blow me away, just my pocket-book from stocking up on strings.
Funny how tennis mechanics work, I used to have a really flat back-hand side and more clearance on the forehand. Started experimenting with grip positions after rehab, and now my forehand is flatter and the back-hand has more loop on it!
The response is one of those frames that is inches away from GOAT hood. It's so close to being absolutely amazing but for me just missed the boat. I feel if I still was able to use full gut it would be a glorious frame, but poly just doesn't do the frame justice. And in a frame with that string pattern it just goes through multi/ non poly too quickly for me. Volleys are great, groundies are decent, but the frame is a bit too HH for serving for me. Just a bit too slow coming around on anything that isn't flat to produce a good enough ball. Im sure with a leather or some silicone in the handle it would be better, but the frame just didn't wow me enough to want to buy one to tinker long term. Also, the DB muted the frame too much for my taste. It really numbs up the bed considering the stiffness of the RA number. I was expecting a 6.1 Classic type stiffness, but instead I got a numb, rubbery 6.1 feeling. Combine that poly and it just wasn't for me. However, if you want something a bit more arm friendly than a 6.1, and you can afford to use gut or gut/poly and want to tinker a bit, it would be amazing I feel.
^ Makes sense, nice take. I agree that the DB's have a way of unnecessarily muting feedback that can sometimes take away from the feel of the frame.
Klem, I hit with MD's Ai98 a couple of times and it always felt like a nice frame, superb on the backhand, and like a controlled version of an AeroPro Drive but with better feel. Never wowed me enough to want to get one, but always had me nodding my head like De Niro, saying, "OK.. OK."
By the way, which 95S? Pro Staff or 6.1 series?
^Pro Staff 95S
Still don't know which PJ though, my guess is the white one of '13. The grip size is going to be 1/4.
BTW, what shoes is everyone rockin'? Always been an Adidas guy, just fit me better than Nike and Asics. The barricade 5's I've been switching out have seen the end of their life. The 8+ is absolutely terrible, don't know about the 15's yet, but I think I need a more comfortable toe box.
Someone mentioned to me the CC rally's, but I don't know if I wanna go that route of minimalism yet. Something in between would be great.
Asics Speed Solution 2s, shades of Seattle Seahawks, now smeared over by the red dust of European clay.
As a wide-footer, I've never been able to wear Adidas.
But Adidas did give me a great friendship and hitting partner in Mad Dog, when I had to put up my just-barely-too-narrow Barricade Vs up for sale a few years ago, and MD came calling.
Looking forward to seeing what new shoes hit the market come January. The new Wilson Speed Pro 2s could be interesting.
Oh nice, wasn't aware of that.
About the only thing I use the barricades for now is to blast out some double bass patterns on the drums, they're actually quite apt at that. The shoes are fantastic for me on court, maybe a smidgen too heavy, but that toe-box is harsh and never, ever, ever breaks in!
We gotta get together for a hit when you get back. Are you still on the east coast? Prolly be up north sometime in April for work.
I should PM McLovin' too. Feel bad, we were supposed to get together last year around this time for a hit, when I was picked for the pure control playtest. It was the holidays, work and family got in the way of tennis, this year it's much more laxed.
Have to, man. Yes, I'll be back to NY. Will also let you know if one of these days I hop a train to check out DC for a day or two, which is still on the list.
T-minus 2 1/2 hours until Polish goating commences.
Or something else entirely.
ps- a shame you're gonna be gone at christmas time. nothing like the tradition of a Polish christmas
The grandmother is pushing hard for such a further stay, although at some point I need to get back to my life. Contemplating it, though. It's very difficult to say no to an adorable 84-year-old woman who's constantly cooking your favorite dishes. I also met a Polish girl yesterday who's a young doctor and takes pole dancing classes. Another very big wrinkle.
Uhmm..yes it is. You may need to stay a little longer, or speed up close on this young lass. I like it.
sounds like Christmas came early this year! some of those european girls can be stunning! lucky you
Stay there Gads.
She takes 'pole dancing' classes, as in traditional Polish dance?
The kind were all thinking of?
I have to assume it's the latter.
Gadsy, stay put!
Tennis tournaments in Poland come with vodka and hangovers.
My serve continues to be a Sharapova-off-surgery nightmare.
I destroyed one fellow and then lost two close ones to players I could have beaten had I been able to find the service box once or twice. The champion's extremely attractive wife confessed to me later that the champion thought I was going to destroy him when we were in warmups, and the general consensus was that I displayed the best groundstroke form but "yeah, about that serve..."
The champion rocked either an Ai 98 or 100, along with a USA Soccer track jacket that really threw me off of my game.
After the tournament there was a jovial white-haired man who constantly poured vodka for everyone as he sung the lyrics to every American song that played on the iPod, from Sinatra to Johnny Cash to Bon Jovi to Michael Bolton to We Are The Champions.
I won a fourth-place medal that had a picture of a fish on it, and was also named Best American Player. There were one of us. Later in the evening, at one of Warsaw's fine evening establishments, a mischievous blonde fell in love with the medal and somehow persuaded me to give it to her. I hope she cherishes it forever.
You should write a book of your experiences some day, amazing stuff!
If the night ends at a fine establishment with a mischievous blonde and vodka.......
Victories, you say?
I was just invited to go watch a pole dancing competition. And I don't mean Polish traditional dancing.
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