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Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Ross K, Sep 11, 2010.

  1. el sergento

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    Dude, in the long run, your cross fit training will have way more of an impact than the stick you choose.

    I will say this though, I tried, for years, lord knows I tried to make it work with The Prestige. Both in MP and Pro flavors. With lead and different strings and whatnot, and still I could never translate the magic from practice to match play.

    That tight pattern, even with the Pro, just doesn't provide any easy juice, or let you hit up long and deep and heavy without exerting too much energy.

    In match play, this is how it usually ended for me with The Prestige:

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    I'd hide from Gads if I were you, he's got a newly reconstructed bionic shoulder now too :)
     
  3. Rozroz

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    if this is generally true,
    i guess this stick ain't for me..
     
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    On return of serve, really the best thing to do is just get the ball back in. Hit it deep and at the opponent's feet. If they come in to S&V, then you need to have the timing to put the ball in an open window down the line. Usually S&V's happen once the opponent is warmed up later in the set. So if you come out with the mindset of just using a compact, relaxed swing and getting the ball back and deep, you will be in much better shape than trying to hit drop shots or hard returns.

    I was going for screaming winners off serve a lot because I can hit those, but it's not worth it. You give away too many free points. I have fixed that a lot and by just focusing on where I stand for each serve, and getting the ball back over and deep, I actually find myself breaking people's serve more often.

    It has a more open pattern for sure. The XI is really one of the most balanced frames I have used.

    The graphene is so impressive especially for my timing. I am able to hit running wide forehands deep into the corner crosscourt, without going wide or long rather often. That tells me it's weighted pretty nicely for my game. The only issue is the tight pattern trajectory, but it's not so bad, I'd just prefer more easy net clearance in a perfect world.
     
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    I agree completely. Its more about the training and fitness than the frame. The Graphene is a much more match friendly Prestige though. I will say that.
     
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    The old IG prestige S is $70 new. That's pretty insane. Looks like a real open pattern with 6 throat mains compared to the newer one.

    Really good deal. Maybe the frame is just not that great and I am missing something.
     
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    They've been selling it like this for a year now I think
     
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    I've been tempted by this one, but some armchair modding lead me to realize that to get to my preferred balance and SW, we'd be back to Vanilla Prestige Pro specs.
     
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    Yeah thats what I was thinking. too much work.

    I'd rather just buy a Graphene prestige Pro if I wanted a more open pattern.
     
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    ROS is really one stroke where the type of racquet dictates what you do. When I used a lighter 102sq.in. 16x19 Yonex, I was returning all serves back deep loopy, a bit like Nadal. Now, with Prestige and the ridiculously dense pattern, I cannot come up with those loopy returns, so I slice return all 1st serves, like Federer. I'd really like a middle ground racquet, one that has both good touch for slices, and that has enough of that modern easy access to spin. Maybe that IG Prestige S, leaded up close to my current specs would be such?
     
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    Honestly, I return the same way with every single frame I have. It just boils down to the weight for me. The Graphene is point and shoot on returns. I will post impressions again on the xi for ROS later tonight.
     
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    Did anyone try the new Radicals. Wasn't a 16X19 Radical considered the holy grail a while back, with peeps shelling out $$ for pro stocks?

    So who went down that rabbit hole. I must sat the Pro looks mighty tempting.
     
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    The new Radical feels like cement to me. Not at all like the Radicals of old. The specs are really nice, but the feel can be rather harsh.
     
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    I own both the Graphene Prestige Pro and the Graphene Radical MP. I really enjoy both for different reasons.
     
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    Personally I didn't really like the Prestige S until the 1st Graphene model.
     
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    The pro is a crowbar, I've literally got less pain in my arm from hitting with a lead pipe. Thing is stiff as heck. That's been the general feedback from everyone in my shop so far.

    The MP his a dope ball, super easy spin with a nice high launch angle, but it's so numb. Plus, it feels like it is a full oz underspec. I know a couple of top guys who switched to the MP, but they note the same thing.

    -Fuji
     
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    So did they just beef it up?
     
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    One did, the others didn't. Dudes are playing and winning open matches and tournaments with it stock hahaha. The one thing they all said is that shaped poly did not work for whatever reason. The most popular string in them so far is: Ripspin, Tourna Big Hitter Blue, ALU Power, and RPM. (RPM is shaped I think, but it's nothing like a true twisted or edged poly.)

    -Fuji
     
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    Summed up what my issue was with the Prestiges when I was not completely on my game in matches.
     
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    Problem is that the Pro has a denser string pattern (the new Prestige S too by the way).

    If they could just produce a Prestige with a truly open string pattern I'd be all in.
     
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    It really does play great stock. The only time I am left wanting a bit more weight is on volleys. I have tried to add weight several times and I just don't like it as much... it quickly turns into a unwieldy, powerful beast if you overdo the lead.
     
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    IG Prestige S has six throat mains. What's wrong with it, if leaded up?
     
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    I was going to say the same thing.

    I mean, it's $70.
     
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    For some reason I could never make that racquet work, even though I really wanted to like it. Perhaps it's the mold or the shared holes? I don't know…
     
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    I really need to try this IG Prestige S, or then PS95, leaded up to my specs. IG Prestige MP limits my game too much. The launch angle is so low that I'm too often forced to slice, to keep the rally going. It's too hard to create topspin if I'm even slightly off balance. And I've totally lost my ability to create those loopy heavy topspins (to BH :)). I need just a bit higher launch angle, and slightly easier access to topspin. Everything else is perfect.

    Just wonder which would be better, for topspin/slice/volleys?
     
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    I have 2 PS95s lead up still.

    God I wonder if I should bust those things out again..lol.

    I was winning a lot with them.

    I may bring one tonight - I'm going insane.
     
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    In my experience the PS 95 was/is better, but give both a try yourself if you can, as my experience mustn't coincide with yours.
     
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    Just too bad that there's not good demo program back here. I should basically order blindly, or if I'm lucky, I could find a prestrung racquet with loose and dead poly in my pro shop.
     
  30. torpantennis

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    LOL, ain't the only one.
     
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    Aren't we all? I keep eyeing that new Prince Tex 95 :lol:

    Oh well, the joy lies in the journey :)
     
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    The Prestige was p---ed. Fed up. Over it. Had had enough of the new neighbor in the bag, the ugly old Grandpa who was always complaining when the music got too loud. When the old man started taking away his playtime, too, that was it.

    First bagel not enough?

    Here's another. On the slower surface, against a lesser opponent. What was that you were saying about lighter frames against the lessers?

    Grandpa struggled, Graphene crushed. Again.

    The Prestige, clearly back to No. 1 starter status.
     
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    Good specs, unbelievably sexi paint job. Racquethead curiosity piqued here as well.
     
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    Did you try the Graphene? I do think it's a much friendlier match stick than the IG/Youtek. ... I had one of the Prestige S versions in a demo box ages ago and remember feeling really blah about it. Wasn't 'prestige-y' to me, just felt like an ordinary tweener from any brand.
     
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    Im going to start out with the Yonex tonight and if I suck go back to the Prestige. The Prestige is a very honest frame so it's very safe for me to pull out at anytime.

    I have another match later this week, I may entertain the thought of the PS95. Why not. Every frame I own is really good. It's a tough life.
     
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    So Gadsian. Good luck. Just play loose, turn those shoulders and goat.
     
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    I Gads'd and I enjoyed it tonight, but not for the first set.

    Funny thing - I come out in set 1 with the yonex. It feels great. Just a great frame..easy pop. My serves are going in..life is good, but I keep missing shots. I am missing winners right and left, doing my typical collapse. The guy I am playing has no weapons except speed and consistency (as usual). All I have to do is hit to his backhand with medium pace and I'm blowing it. It's such an easy task that it becomes a pysche out and I drop the set in glorious fashion 6-1.

    At this point, all I can do is laugh. Same story - handing over games, missing multiple break points, missing winners...but it felt fixable. Like I was overhitting and not feeling the ball well enough.

    So out comes the Graphene. I notice that I can immediately hit that sweet spot between power and pushing. I focus on brushing the ball, I don't over hit winners and Im pushing the guy around again. Im back in the match. He is yelling at himself, saying he is playing sloppy, saying he is giving away points..etc. Well it was not enough today. I couldn't find my groove long enough and lost 6-4. But if I had started with the graphene, or more importantly, just played the way I played that last set the whole match, my confidence would have been a lot higher and I would have beaten this guy.

    The amazing thing is this guy was a nice dude but he really had no weapons at all besides incredible retrieving skills. So when he was saying he was blowing it after I'd hit him corner to corner and then crush a winner it was a little insulting. But whatever. I realized how mental this is. It's harder to win when you are playing guys with crap technique who play at a decently high level. they just wait and wait and wait until you overhit and miss.There was literally nothing to this guys game past that, he just does it at a higher level than most guys. It takes serious confidence to crash net and hit swing volleys but I have to force myself to do it.

    So with the Prestige, I realized I just needed to brush more and angle this guy off the court and use precision. The power and depth was just easier to control and gain confidence with, as I was able to hit really big winners and feel the ball lot better on the strings.

    I just need to overcome this mental hurdle now which will probably result in more losses than I would like. But I definitely played much better in that second set, it was just too late to turn things around.

    This game is annoying me right now, but I did pick well with the Graphene. It has that perfect balance of power where you can hit out a little and be aggressive, while playing safe in the lines.
     
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    Sounds like you played against Tomic tonight.

    Is the 18x20 pattern that much more adept at brushing up on the ball than the Yonnie?

    I guess it's all about ball height. 18x20 frames still produce great spin, less height when brushing up. If you're not super deliberate with a more open frame brushing up, it could lead to sailers
     
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    I think the Graphene Prestige is just an amazing frame in terms of power level. It's not a low powered classic frame which makes me swing harder than I want, and it's not a high pop tweener which can get launchy on pressure or touch shots.

    Its just right in the middle so you can play real relaxed tennis.

    And yeah, I was working on brushing the ball a little more on my backhand and it just translates well to the FH and playing these athletic pushers. Just a safer play to hit an approach with heavy spin and have it kick off the court as opposed to hitting it flat. The extra spin makes it impossible for them to reach the ball in time.

    There is something about the frame that really works, especially against these low pace guys. We had a 19 shot rally where I just said screw it and rolled balls over the net over and over and refused to hit out. He did the same and I finally just flung one into the ad court, hit a drop shot to the same side that he had to run in and get and then hit a winner over to deuce. This little old lady playing next to me looked over and said "that was beautiful tennis". Thanks little old lady, I needed some kind of mental lift.
     
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    PP....sounds like you know what you need to do. Don't get to wrapped up in results, just focus on executing the game plan. If you win or lose, it doesn't matter. Play the way you want to plan and have fun. The results will come. Sounds like you are getting a little too mental out there and not trusting in yourself. Remember Agassi's motto...."see the ball...hit the ball". :)
     
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    I leave for a few months and you're all playing Prestiges? What the???! :)

    I tried a number of times to keep up the swinging holic lifestyle but I just kept coming back to the soft bosom of the Blade Team. The comfort, the endless sweetspot, and the all-court versatility. I tried a bunch of spinny, forehand crushing sticks which made my FH feel much more studly, but hated the feeling of giving up any of those three things. I mean I make volleys now! What? Half-volleys! Whoa!

    It did take a loooong time to tweak the weight and balance just so (I've been working on her almost 2 years now) but i've stuck with the same setup for about 4 months now and have never played better. Definitely enjoying that certain kind of improvement you get when you stick with one setup for a while. It is pretty sweet after being on the run for so long.

    Just thought I'd drop in to say hi and have a club soda. Keep up the quest!!
     
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    ^ Ah, the pillow! Great frame.

    PP, sounds like some match jitters too. I get those more than I'd like. You know how you should play and what you're capable of, so you start to push the issue at times.

    Agassi's 'see the ball.... hit the ball' seems like it would work in the calm department. It's different for everyone. I'm literally in full 'hum a happy song' in my head mode as of late and it seems to help keep me unfocused enough to stay focused.

    If that makes any sense at all..... It should though.
     
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    Its definitely mental at this point. Like a massive slump that I am climbing out of.

    I have made some strides but it takes a while in tennis. I have hit the motherland of advanced pushers who play all the time. To me, its a much tougher mental test than playing a player with good technique.

    Keith thats a really great frame. Nice to hear you are still rocking it. I could still rock out with that frame, I am quite sure of it. Very comfortable and easy on the arm too.
     
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    A trick I use when I'm a bit lost is to repeat the mantra "depth kills" in my head, but also sometimes under my breath. This keeps me focused on what really wins you points, consistent depth, and it also gets me into a sort of a trance.

    Here's how I do it: as soon as the opponent takes his back swing, I say "depth", and then I stay focused on the incoming ball, paying extra attention to my footwork, and then I say "kills" as soon as I hit it. I've gotten carried away doing this and caught myself yelling out "KILLS" when going for a winner or a power shot. It makes for a pretty awkward moment :)

    Keep rocking that Prestige PP, stick with it and do what so many of us 'holics have failed to do in the past.

    You'll get out of the funk soon enough. You lost, but it sounds like you learned some good lessons out there.
     
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    You know what's strange about leagues/ladders, I usually end up playing like doodoo against people I like.... As crazy as it sounds.

    If I develop a general disdain for a perfect stranger that has done or said something that I don't like, I tend to get into a kill-mode.

    Some guy I played a month or so ago, before play, during the insignificant pillow talk that takes place on the bench, after finding out my background and where my name comes from, etc., literally said that he enjoyed 'His Greek girlfriend thoroughly' a few years back. I'll spare the details, but the way he said it was very condescending, as if he wanted to prove to me that he's got me somehow.



    I quickly shut up. And tried to aim every ball at his head (either one). I was literally ripping them at his body. Even if they were going long, he had no choice but to stab at them with his racquet in a defensive move so they wouldn't nail him in the face.

    Of course, I would always apologize.

    Since then, with perfect strangers, I've opted to keep the talk to a minimal 'hello' before the match. Just stay focused. Afterwards, I can go and have a beer with the guy.
     
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    Hmm, that's the first Wilson that's caught my eye in a very long time. The Wilson grip shape is my all time favorite, but I've been staying away from them due to the classic Wilson harshness.

    How did you set it up finally? How's the power level on that thing? Are cheap points hard to come by??

    Thx
     
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    That is hilarious. Also kinda weird. Unless he knew your wife was also Greek, I think the dude was actually coming on to you :)
     
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    Serge, yeah its weird how a loss like this would usually get me mad, but this one felt like a step forward. Like I discovered a few key things that can get me out of this funk.

    Definitely something about playing soft against people you like too. This guy did a few things that annoyed me just enough to make me bring out my "make this guy pay" game. The way he would question calls aggressively and try and get a little more alpha than he should be. I am used to that stuff and know how to handle it. He also made me replay a point on a game point that he never would have gotten. It was just enough to get me out of the " i suck and am slumping yet again" mode and into the mindset of "wait a second, I need to show this guy a few things". I need to have that mindset right at the start of the match, but I think it is starting to come back.
     
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    ^ Definitely, if you start off slow, you're climbing up hill and it makes it difficult to get into a 2/3 set match.


    Ha, it's not what he said, it's how he said it and the look on his face. He wasn't even making an attempt to look me in the eyes, kind of talking past me, like, oh yeah, I just met you 5 seconds ago, you're Greek?, well check out what I did with this one girl who shares your culture.

    Dude? Really? Ok. Cool.

    Didn't say one word to him afterwards, just the score. 6-2, 6-1
     
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    Just want to add that Silverstring 1.20 and OGSM 1.21 is super awesome in the prestige. Spin and control and feel. Anyone prestiging should give this setup a run. Im about 6 hours in and it's playing great.
     

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