Diary of a Racketaholic

Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Ross K, Sep 11, 2010.

  1. Meaghan

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    Just had a hit at club. I've never had lead almost all the way round the hoop but I gotta say it felt great. Super stable, volleys were solid and penetrating. Groundstrokes felt like my normal set up but without the weight in the racket. Its really whippy and just getting it in motion and letting the stability of the head sort you out. I can see this suiting extreme grips. Serves were the same. As I said it feels much lighter than my previous set up. But by removing weight in the handle and at 12 and adding it around the hoop keeps your SW more or less the same but dropped my staic 10g. Gonna adjust my other bc20 tonight........
     
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    That is def worth waiting for. The Youtek Radical Pro was a 58 and the feel was sublime. Great feel and produced a massive ball. I eagerly await the IG version and hot they go back to a more HL balance.
     
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    I don't know if I can handle the high swingweights being discussed but I may give it a try but it will take a while to get stuff to play around with. In the meantime, if I run into anything I like, I will probably stick with it.
     
  4. movdqa

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    > the bc20 has a flex of 49 ra but it is made of certain materials
    > that make it recoil to its original position faster than anything
    > else. This is not company spin it actually works. I think Paul has
    > been working on it since he was making good dunlop rackets before
    > they were taken over. What you have is a soft plush racket and the
    > benefits that go with that and a recoil that makes its power
    > comparitive to a stiffer stick.

    I finally found where you can order the thing. Perhaps noone posted
    a link as TW doesn't like links to competitors' sites. I'm not sure
    that this is a competitor-site, though, as TW doesn't offer the same
    products. At any rate, it is interesting that they offer some very
    flexible racquets.

    > The great thing is it comes pretTy light at 335 strung. I have 20g
    > top of handle and bout 10g in the hoop. The weight in the handle
    > possibly stiffens the rack up a little. If you can handle the 360-70
    > mark and high SW I've felt nothing better in a MP. I can make the
    > spec match Nole's stick 360g 5pts HL and prob 360-370SW. This Will
    > be my next fiddle.....my set up is close at the mo just needs a
    > little weight out of the handle and placed low in the hoop. I used
    > to play the rad twin tube which is the same mold as djoks and its
    > not too dissimilar a racket. Prob the only rack you can get close to
    > a flex of 51...

    The TW Customization tool does show that it can be fairly easily
    customized to Djokovic's specs. I played around with lower static
    weight numbers and find that it can be customized down to a static
    weight of 353 grams. I like to add an overgrip which would bring it
    right back to 360 grams and make it a bit more headlight but I add the
    overgrip to all of my racquets. It would certainly make for an
    interesting experiement. Not something that I'm planning to do in
    the near-term but I'm certainly interested in your experiments. The
    nice thing about this solution is that it would be easy to make
    additional frames.

    > Got my kps88 arriving today I hope. I used to play this racket and am
    > really looking forward to matching them to my 20s. It was the best
    > serving rack I've used and I'm excited to see what I can do with it
    > now.

    I like serving with the KPS but there are limits to generating head
    speed with the high static weight. My feeling is that you could do
    a better job with mods on your BC20. I actually find more power with
    the tgk238.4 XL on the serve than the KPS88. The frame came in at
    337 grams. I added six grams at 12:00 - it resulted in a tremendous
    increase in power on groundstrokes and serves at a total static weight
    of 12.1 ounces (before overgrip).

    > Will post some pics of my bc20 mods soon and my comparison with the 88
    > and how I turned my bc20 into Noles stick.....my computer has just
    > taken the knock tho!

    Looking forward to your results.

    BTW, all of this tinkering is fun and I'm spending a decent chunk of
    change to do it but the biggest improvement in my game this year is in
    going from a 40 inch waist to a 34 inch waist. I run regularly,
    sometimes as much as 8 miles, and do regular strength
    training. Fiddling with tennis racquets is an easy treat compared to
    all of the other stuff that I do to support my game.
     
  5. Meaghan

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    ^^^totally agree it doesn't matter about mods if you Cant get your arse around the court. I'm lucky I've been around the 170-80 lbs since a teenager. Tbh id like to put on an extra few pounds!

    Well done Mov all that running will shift the weight....40 inch waist is not good. Bet you can feel a huge difference on court.

    Having trouble matching my second racket. Its the prototype and already has more weight in the head. I can match them it just loses the benefit of the extra added weight in the hoop. Atm its about 10 SW points heavier so I will check that out today see how it plays.
     
  6. Ross K

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    Meags,

    What's the biggest assets and any negatives of 'the Nole set up'?

    Others trying it - post up your findings, I know there's a few interested in doing so!:wink:



    Fed,

    Loving that new sig of yours.:cool:



    All debating the Redondo MP and PT630,

    Just a thought... As a past lover of the PT630, I always thought some similarish rackets (no, not the same but in that ball park with general traits and soft, low RA), were the C10 Pro and the Rad Tour Twin Tube. The former is definitely an option for those wanting the elusive, even mythical "PT630 in an open pattern." And the latter, what with it being the same mold as the PT, is obviously alike, albeit a bit more "raw" and "rough and ready." These are 2 GROATS, in my book anyway. I'd also mention the older Vantage rackets (I tried the 320g and 330g code 221s, I think they were called.) Excellent quality. Crisper than the 2 mentioned before. Big spin and serve. Solid and well-made. Then there's the obvious choice: the YTPP, which is stiffer, and not quite as sublime perhaps, but generally is maybe easier to use. And although a little less in the the ball park, I also was also a big fan of the DNX 10 mid. A very under-rated, lovely balanced/weighted, very smooth, slick, spinny, punchy frame... imo.


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  7. JGads

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    What's the Nole setup exactly? Let me know which thread to look up..
     
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    Ross

    Nole set up of 360g and 5 pts HL. SW we still unsure as Fabfed hasn't measured it yet yetbut with the amount of lead in the hoop its well up there. Anyways I had two SW....the first 365 and the second racket 380. I'm guessing its somewhere between. Knowing his old racks start with little SW I suspect its similar to my first spec of 365.
    I started wih the heavier one and with time etc I could crunch the ball effectively problem was I couldn't get it into position after id hit my shot fast enough as I was playing a div1 player who was getting it back very fast.....
    I soon changed to the lower SW and that felt great I was back on it and played pretty well to win a tie break.
    I like the set up but my main problem was groundstrokes. I found the heavy head balance not quite in tune with my swing.
    I've reverted back to the not dissimilar set up I had before. Heavier 370g but with weight above my hand so 8pts HL. SW is still pretty much the same. Its difficult as if you get the weight wrong top of handle it can feel like a complete log. My 20g there is spaced out a little and not tightly woven round. Makes a huge difference. My touch and groundstrokes the other day where just off their head super duper!!
    That's why mods are a pain as it can be such a small thing. My set up feels less good dry swinging than noles but more effective when im actually playing.

    JG
    Fabfed thread in pro rackets "No1e's racket".....

    Just got my kps88 and added an extra cm to its length and a bit of weight in handle its now 377g 8pts HL with a SW around 360. Very similar to my bc20s and that also feels great. S&V like a dream.....big match tmoro, exciting times....:)
     
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    It used to be said, perhaps anecdotally, that Djokovic had a massive swingweight -- upwards of 380 I thought. Do we now think it is less?

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  10. movdqa

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    We're all waiting for fabfed to measure it. He needs to get hold of an RDC machine to do the measurement.
     
  11. Power Player

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    Ill guess 370.

    Real high unless you play all the time. I still may lead up 12 on the 7g just for fun to see how it plays. I could get it up to 12.5 and the SW would probably be in the 350s with about the same balance as the Nole setup.
     
  12. Ross K

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    Interesting to hear of these experiments... I note also the KPS88 love is once again growing around this thread anyhow... and...


    All,

    BTW, I've been a made a decent offer to buy a frame I've always been interested to check - a PSC 6.1 in the open pattern... hmmm.

    R
     
  13. Meaghan

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    Open pattern classic Rossy sounds lovely but it is still a heavy stiff frame.........

    As for patterns and head size...overlapping my 88 and bc20. The string patterns are bang on or at least very close. The 88 headsize is ever so slightly narrower on the inside of the frame and the 20 slightly longer. There is a lot of faff talked about headsize and small being shank material. Also the 88 stiffness never felt 67 with its soft hoop and mass you can really feel it flex.....
     
  14. movdqa

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    It doesn't feel 67 but it's at least around 63/64. That's a far cry from PT57A/Redondo and your BC20. I really should take my aluminum stuff out for a hit.

    Did you consider the BC30? 100 sq in + 45 RA?
     
  15. Meaghan

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    The bc20 doesn't feel 49 its a crisp feel and because of the recoil it serms about high 50's.

    The 30 yes really good solid racket. Needs a bit of modding imo heavy leather grip is a must. Volkeys really well. Easy from baseline. I had trouble serving. About the most consistent stick on the market with the prince tour mp.

    45ra is softer but it has shorter throat and feels just as crisp as the bc20
     
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    Interesting - despite the low RA number, it seems like the best flexible deal around is the Redondo - that is if you don't mind starting out with something relatively heavy. Would you say that the Redondo is softer than the BC20/BC30 - that is if you've tried it?
     
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    Haven't tried it.....the bast cores are soft but not noodles they just have a feel of being crisper.
     
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    I have a slight problem which is familiar to many Wilson users, basically I have one 88 that plays like the savior of humanity. I'm not tripping but I wish I could find this racquets mother and father and copy their DNA.
    Basically what I have is a tour blx 90 spec with 88 construction.
    I compared both racs today blx (90 and jesus 88). Identical 12.5 strung and same balance point (crude screwdriver method). I have no idea about the sw of the 88 but I swear on my mothers eyes it swings easier than the BLX, it is dangerously close to ps85 whip factor.
    The 88 has a synthetic grip on it (hence the 12.5), but it balances the same as a stock BLX 90. This racquet is friggin sweet! I rescued it from a used bin and it has been sitting dormant for months. Little did I know...I matched up my other 88 weight wise, but I can feel the SW much more on that one, plus it is a tad less HL. Close enough for rock and roll, but not as insanely perfect as The CHOSEN ONE!

    I hope the new Sampras 97 is along these lines...
     
  19. Power Player

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    The sampras 97 may change the game as we know it.
     
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    Yeah, I'll be backing away, I think. I'm still hurting after getting not 1 but 2 03 Tours, only to find I was actually a little better suited to the APD all along. :oops: Plus I'm also going to relook at that TGKPP once the new caps, mods are done.

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    Sampras 97, what!? Where? Who? I can't find the thread where this is discussed.

    Fed, that sounds like a Holy stick you have there. God I love bashing the ball around with the 88, at least for about 30 minutes or so. The usual one is definitely too much for me, though, after that. Paintjob on that thing is absolutely ridiculous.
     
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    The Sampras 97 is a frame shrouded in mystery and its secrets are closely guarded. If pictures leak the TW server could crash. Rumors of Wilsonian-woofers, kevlar braids, retro paint, etc...abound. I am convinced the re-release of the basalt85 was counter-intel designed to throw us off the scent.

    The only thing in the tennis universe that compares to this upcoming release is the equally inscrutable Federpro Drive 95 (FPD 95 non-cortex)
     
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    regardless, I am liquefying assets and stock piling canned food in anticipation of these frames.
     
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    I have already begun the process of replacing my wrist tendons with titanium flexors that will absorb all shock from the full ALU poly job I use in the Sampras 97 at a tension of 73#s.
     
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    Sounds like my stock 12.6 oz K88.

    I've never really used it - I prefer them at 12.9 to 13.1.
     
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    This 88 was dipped in holy water and cleansed of all basalt fibres
     
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    I have also texturized the racquet at the throat to increase the feel when prepping. It's awesome.
     
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    Hey Gads,

    Picked up my BA mid on Sunday and I gotta say I love the look of this frame.
    Just wondering if you have settled on a tension in the mid. I know Tour bite is your gsoat but at what tension? I went ahead and strung mine up with some B5E at 52 but I am thinking that may be slightly low. Any suggestions?
     
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    Yeah, that's a little low I think. The one i've been grooving with has always been set at 56 pounds and I've dabbled with other string in my spare frame at different tensions. Currently I have MSV at 53 in Frame 2 and it's a little too powerful for me, so I'm just going to stick with TB at 56 in one frame and may even try 58 in the other. With a softer poly like B5E you may be able to a little higher, even, and it would still probably work. Good luck, man.

    And yeah, I love the simple paintjob. I also like how it just says "Precision" at 6, to which I occasionally look down to after hitting a line and think, "Yeah, no xxxx."
     
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  30. Ross K

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    PP,

    A word of caution though, my friend. Although applied to a different region and not my wrists, some years back when I was wielding the very stiff PDR/C, I tried a similar experiment. The results (see below) certainly rendered my footwork somewhat clunky.


    [​IMG]

    :eek:

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    Ross, I have taken your advice into mass consideration.
    I have decided to stick with the Pro Kennex 7G. I like it too much, that even the mighty Sampras 97 will not sway me.

    I have decided that I want to have a little fun and lead up the 7G just to see what happens. I have done this before with the APDC but my strokes and footwork are more developed now.

    Maybe PED can help with this..he is the mod master.

    Current specs with OG and Damp - SW 330, Weight 11.9, Balance - 9pts HL.

    I want to go for the infamous SW2, Djoker, Nads, Fed..etc setup to see if I can handle it..the pros and cons..etc.

    I believe this would be best attained by adding lead to 12 until I bring the balance down to 4-5 pts HL.

    Question..how much lead at 12 would I need to get the SW to 350 + and have the prior mentioned balance?
     
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    0.27 oz at 12:00 to get to SW 355 at 6 pts HL, total weight 12.17 oz.
     
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    BTW, this is very close to what I have done on one of my TGK238.4s. It produces some heavy power on serves though it is a bit hard to get used to the higher SW (even higher than my K88s). I have a match today and am planning on dial it back about 2 grams.
     
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    Wow that's it? I'm kind of feeling that. That's not a lot of lead tape at all to bring the SW up so high. I can play the racquet at that weight rather easily I think...but we will see.

    BTW, thanks..how did you figure that out?
     
  35. Meaghan

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    Also pp adding a cm in length will roughly do the same which gives you a little leaway to also add a touch of lead. On the kps88 the extra half inch really helps...
     
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    My stick is 27.5 as it is, and I love the XL to be honest.
     
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    Ahh ok pp.....
     
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    Sometimes I wish the companies just sold hairpins - then you can pick whatever length you want.
     
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    Movdqa, I may go bigger and try to crack a SW of 360. Would that be around 10-12 grams at 12?
     
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    I think 1g @12 = 3pts SW...
     
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    Ok cool..this will be fun..if I can handle it of course..I am pretty strong for my size though so I have been curious to see how the 7g reacts.
     
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    > BTW, thanks..how did you figure that out?

    TW customization calculator.

    I didn't take into account that your racquet is 27.5 inches.

    You only need .14 oz at 12:00 if my calculations are correct. Fell free to check them at:

    http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/customization.php

    BTW, I have a similar setup though I think that it's not very headlight anymore. It's probably 12.1 oz at 350 SW. I do have problems on some shots because of the balance - I'm used to more headlight and the racquet isn't as stable as, say, the KPS88. I think that the classic headlight, heavy static weight has benefits for stability and shock. I might be better off adding some weight to the handle to balance the weight at 12:00.
     
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    Awesome..this is perfect..I actually planned this properly..I can get the SW up to 360 with .3 ozs of lead (which is roughly 8 grams).

    If this works, this racquet could become an absolute monster and still weigh a manageable static weight of 12.2.

    I am going to do this and then report how I hit with such a loaded up stick. I do feel like there is a huge advantage to having a high swingweight, but it really is going to boil down to how well I play with it. Regardless, the 7G is perfectly specced out to be a complete monster with this lead placement.

    This setup would be very similar to Roddick's setup, and I would basically be turning this stick into the ultimate PDR+.
     
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    You might want to try .2 ounces before .3. You can do some arm damage with really high swingweights. At least you can at my age. If the weight isn't an issue, then you may be quite surprised at the kind of monster serves that you can hit with the much higher swingweight.
     
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    Weight shouldn't be an issue..I lift weights 3 times a week and am strong for my size.

    That being said, I will know pretty soon into the experiment.

    I did use the Head Radical Pro with no huge problems..it was just 2 points HL and that bugged my shoulder...the SW of 345 was no real biggie...I need to just work my feet and see how it goes.

    Basically this thing will be setup at pro level spec, and it intrigues me to see if I can deal.
     
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    Holics,

    I went and did the deed. Take a look at this picture.

    [​IMG]

    Now tell me that white painted area at 12 is not a cry for lead. It is perfectly lined up, like a nice riddle. The racquet is 9 Pts HL..why? It plays fine, but it leaves so much space for a SW boost..I felt it must be done. So I put 3 strips of lead on each side..easily placed in the white area for a total of 8 grams.

    My racquet weighed 12.2, the balance was a very nice 6pts, the SW was a massive 360. I went to the courts to see if the mythical pro swing weight was doable for a mere mortal.

    It was..it is..wow..the racquet has somehow become even better and easier to use. I used far less energy and was annihilating the ball with little effort. The racquets already loud feedback was amplified to aggassian levels. The feel went from godlike to unfreaking real..solidity on contact that you get from the k90 and kps 88 was handed to me in spades. My timing was fine..the racquet did not become sluggish..I was literally hitting right through one guys 1hbh with massive pace. I now know why the pros do this setup. It is not because they are mythological creatures born from the loins of Zuess..it's because it makes the game freaking easier..you just have to move your feet as normal and probably be a 4.0 or up in experience.

    Apparently my stick is now exactly like roddicks in spec..I get it now too..trust me, it makes the PDR seem a little wimpy.

    Ross, owning the original APD puts you in prime position to do the Nadal setup..I feel like any mojo you have been looking for will be there after he mod. The feel improves 10fold, it just is incredibly solid.

    I believe in the jolly rig.

    I am traveler jamming

    I'm samprasing like fedk with an 88.

    It's on my friends .
     
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    PP,

    I imagine the frame is now a real serve bomber - and I'm guessing it was already pretty handy stock for booming it in (you know I like XL frames generally for the assistance on serve oomph and with a 2hbh.) Sounds promising.

    RE the APD, I've had long-running issues with the APD and mods/settling on a set up. 95% my fault, but I also think this rack has some unique quirky characteristics that can have an impact here. Anyhow, I'm presently liking the ease of swinging it minus all lead, but I'm sure I'll be adding on the silver stuff very soon once again.

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    Great stuff, PP. It really didn't feel noticeably more sluggish in a way that ever hindered you? Have you served yet?

    Just got back from UCLA where I saw some pros slap it around. Saw my future in James Blake's hands: that Dual Pro (or perhaps it's merely a Dunlop in black paint) ripped a 120-mph ace down the T to open the match and I said, "Yes! Yes that will be me!" His serve returns and overall game was totally on point tonight, like the good old days. Guy doesn't play the smartest tennis in that he just rips, but it's so freaking fun to watch, especially when he's making the rippers. Gonna go back for Blake-DelPo tomorrow night.
     
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    Very nice customization job. Minimal lead but a huge jump in sw while maintaining a good balance point. Hmmmmm....I like it. (Strokes beard), let me think about this.
     
  50. Murray_fan1

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    PP interesting set up!! I may have to give it a go!

    Scalpel Alert!!

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    As mentioned previously I picked up a BA Mid out of curiosity and I so glad I did. Such a hidden gem!! The feel that this stick has in the right hands is just unreal. Love this stick! I know it is early in the play test so I don't want to get too excited but I played some of the best tennis I have in real long time tonight and with very little, if any shoulder pain!!!. Serves, ground strokes you name it were all on point. In comparison to the 7g I would say the weight and balance feels very similar but feels a little easier to get around and comfort level is at the least on par. Effortless power is on tap for serve, laser like precision and the touch and feel at the net is unreal-Total Scalpel.
     

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