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Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Ross K, Sep 11, 2010.

  1. el sergento

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    It also eats through a multi faster than Nalbandian powering through a steak!

    What's your preferred tension Gads? Does it get too harsh above 55?
     
  2. Power Player

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    The 7g on serve gives me an issue where the carpal area feels stretched out and strained..but I am not sure if is all on the 7g..may have been serve technique. I fixed that issue..but I need forgiveness on serve in case I have a bad toss or make a mistake.

    I still have 2 and really like them, so I have a plan for them as well. Doubt they will go anywhere.

    The wrist thing is classified as a disease because it will always be there..I can take care of it though..flexy racquets probably really help. I had zero pain with the EXO Tour..it just feels unreal on my joints. One of those sticks that I did not want to put down due to it's feel. It makes sense to me that possibly donald young uses the same stick because the pt57a is also a very flexible racquet and that feel is rather addictive. The EXO definitely has nice power to it...a surprising amount for the specs...but again...the Donnays did as well. I think the EXO beats the Donnay Black though in terms of power to be honest.

    My whole apd thing started because I want a spin stick to use and see if I can win more with it..it definitely worked, but I may not be able to use stiff racquets anymore if I want to play w/out aggravating anything.

    I feel like if I needed more plow..4grams at 12 would raise the SW to 335 and keep the weight at around 11.6...so the racquet will work in those terms.

    My main concern is how much of a PITA it may be to string the darn thing.
     
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    Depends on the stick. I had one of my Aces at 52, the other at 56 (rec. tension range on the Ace goes all the way up to 68, oddly enough). 56 was nicer for me.

    58 in my 7G is money, and I had that same tension in my BC20 when I was mostly playing with that.

    I don't seem to find that it gets overly harsh at the higher tensions -- but then, I haven't tried at very low tensions, either, 52 in the Ace being my lowest, and I don't think I'll go lower since that's when my control seems to wane.
     
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    As a past owner of an O3 White, I can confirm that without the special tool stringing port racquets is the biggest of pains in the ass.

    Here's a thread I started on a little trick I came up with to string them:

     
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    Dude that's awesome. My stringer locks, so I may be ok..but the flying clamp makes total sense.

    I just don't have any :(. My machine is fixed clamps...I need one though asap regardless...good tool to have.
     
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    RossK, I'm back on the bandwagon - or is it off of it?!! Been playing more regularly these days and can't help but be tempted to demo new stuff again. you can't get it out of your bloodstream once it enters!
     
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    Haha as much as you might not want to hear it, I changed from the PD for similar reasons. Yes with the stiff frame and wide body you can get away with a lighter weight racquet. But it slowly started tearing my arm apart. The PB10 Mid I switched for these reasons is way flexier, heavier with more plow and my arm has never felt better. So I think you’d be happy with the Exo Tour, a soft poly and maybe a little extra weight on the racquet like a leather grip. Let me know how it works out for you. PS I was having both wrist and elbow issues with the PD
     
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    Yeah, that method saved me countless hours of frustration. A good flying clamp is a must, not just for this but for countless other stringing situations.

    If you go with the EXO, try to get the special tool, if not, a flying clamp is really recommended because even if your stringer locks, think about the PITA of having to lock and unlock for every cross.
     
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    Yeah and it looks like you are just using the unlocked flying clamp to hold the strings together and that's it. So that takes 2 seconds of time...no brainer.

    Is stringing the mains the exact same as a normal stick?

    Devil..yeah I went up against a massive hitter with the apdgt..probably one the biggest I ever have hit against..dude was crushing it with insane topspin and unless I timed it perfect, the apdgt was starting to feel like a tuning fork. I ended up slicing the crap out of him to set up my own screamers, but this guy was nasty...we will have to play a match, but I would estimate minimum 5.0...5.5-6.0 if he can hit like that under pressure.

    Anyway, the stick did not get "pushed around" as people like to say (I believe that is poor timing and not on the racquet), but I have to have a plush stick against guys like this just to preserve my arm. I wish I had the 7g, it would have been better for this guy, but they need a string job real bad. I actually felt some vibrations make it to my elbow and for me that is a super rare experience.

    Seriously, I commend companies like PK, volkl and Prince for making such amazing feeling sticks that protect the arm and allow you to still play a modern style of tennis.
     
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    So do I. Mostly I commend any company that will make a soft, low powered racquet that will allow you to play with a quality poly string without blowing your arm out.

    I seriously can't believe how much power tourbite gives me on my Microgels. Everyone remembers Granvilles famous "wow factor but no plow factor" quip from the TW MG Prestige review. Well, add a measly 2.5 grams at 12 and put in some tourbite and those soft, plush Microgels turn into some very plowerful (trademark pending :)) sticks indeed.
     
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    Microgels and Tour Bite sounds like an awesome, awesome combo (always loved the microgel feel in both the Prestiges and Radicals; hated the paintjobs, though)...

    In other news, Donald Young apparently popped a 124-hour serve before the rain delay today that made Pat Mac and Gilbert look at each other in the booth with a "Where did that come from?" ... So maybe that service power potential is in that stick after all, and maybe Donald's ceiling - if he can learn to hit those more often - is a little higher than we might think. Hmm...
     
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    So far I've only tried EXO3 Glory 1.25 (splendid string with a killer look btw), Beast XP 1.25, VS Touch BT7 1.30 and VS Team 1.25, strung full bed in each case. I preferred the thinner VS Team over the Touch, and likewise Beast over the Glory. The poly strings do provide a bit more spin and a bit more control at the expense of some touch, but it's nothing earth shattering, for me at least. Since the EXO3 Tour is such a soft frame I think one can easily get away with using full poly.

    Right now I'm sticking with Beast 17 strung at 22kg (~48.5lbs) as I feel it nicely crispens up the stringbed while still providing adequate touch. Slices are also a bit deadlier than with full gut. Plus I happen to play in damp, wet conditions more often than not this time of year and already had to cut out two sets of VS Team which were pretty much killed by the moisture. Maybe I'll switch back when indoor season starts in a couple of weeks.

    In related news, this being the racketaholic thread and all, I managed to procure a shiny, err matte, new Tecnifibre TFlash 300 yesterday that I'm looking forward to hit with soon, time and weather permitting. On a scale from 0 to 11 I'd rate its paintjob a "very nice".
     
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    Its so much about the player. I mean it is fun to try different sitcks, and you really have to figure what weight and string pattern works for your game..but after that..it's all about the player and their strokes since all racquets have weaknesses.

    Just from watching how much massive top DY uses, I would not be stunned if he was using the retail version..I am sure there are pro layups..etc, but if I handed him one off the shelf, I know he could hit the same with it set up for him.

    I should add that the EXO tour swings a lot faster than the APD, so adding 4 grams at 12 on the demo will be my next experiment.

    Am I tempted to revisit tour bite and try it out in the EXO if I buy one? Yes..yes I am. It is so soft that the TB may be a wonderful thing..I have to tread carefully there though..dead poly is no good.
     
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    I added 2.5g at 12. I have been using these frames since last November and haven't yet felt the need to add more. But as you said, it's so much about the player. Glad you enjoy that racquet!
     
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    I do..and hey 2.5 grams sounds pretty nice as well..what difference did you notice from that...and what style of game do you play?

    I may just do 2 grams at first to be conservative. I'd like a little more plow and to rebalance the stick closer to 6pts HL.
     
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    The additional weight gives me more plowthrough and overall a little bit more power to my shots. Helps with serving, too. I also added a leather grip but may change back to the standard synthetic one with a touch of lead beneath, right at the buttcap to keep the little bit more HL balance I have since accustomed to.

    I play an all court game, trying to keep the rallies short.
     
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    Ok cool...I am the same type of player, but probably more of a baseline finisher. Do you have any issues painting lines or hitting big winners? In my mind that should come come with practice.
     
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    No issues that I'm aware of ;)

    As I said, I play on red clay basically all the time – in fact I have never played on harcourt ever, I think – so I'm relying on shot placement rather than overpowering my opponent. Keeping the rallies short with angled play and coming to the net to finish the point when necessary. Oh, and I really like returning serves with the EXO Tour.
     
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    Angles....yes :)

    My favorite thing besides cracking a winner.
     
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    i think Ferrero, Ferrer and Young at this years US Open gave a pretty strong endorsement to that frame and that style of play. I see a lot of potential in it especially with it's flex, weight and the 16x18 string pattern
     
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    I am pretty much Ferrer's size and I know he used the Prince Shark before. A tennis coach said I reminded him of Ferrer, but I am not nearly as efficient at net. I am just smaller at 5'8, athletic, fast and hit with big spin.

    Not sure how such an open pattern stick slices so well, but I could probably slice for a whole match against some players and easily set up my forehand with it.
     
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    Just to add to what lots of you 'holics (that's stringaholics as well as racketaholics) have said already.. man, I love this stuff!:)

    [​IMG]


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    The power on this stuff is, in the words of the immortal Chazz Micheal Michaels, "Mind bottling" :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWkNPrXkvRA

    [​IMG]
     
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    vkarticv,

    Hey VKV, Good to hear from you again on the boards. It's been a while, no? I well recall my early racketaholic years on TT and harassing you about that great frame, the 200G MW, haha. Anyhow, if you're tempted to look at new demos and seek out people's opinions, er, you've come to the right place! :) BTW, what were you last hitting with? What interests you now?


    PP,

    That post on one of the Exo Tour threads from Anton earlier today re Exo VS APD (especially re serve, and I like his 'gas pedal' reference) makes for highly interesting reading!.. yes, I've just got to get my hands on one of these very soon. Actually, as a kind of empathetic act, I may well bring my 03 Tour (closest frame I've got to the Exo Tour) along with my APD on Friday and see how I find them side by side. Previously I found the Bab to just have the extra oomph that I like. As well as serve though, I think I'd like to pay closer attention though to 2 aspects I've been reading about today: swing speed - which swings quicker, and groundstroke control (I can be a bit hit and miss with the Bab.)


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    The Exo swings quicker at stock weight..maybe a little too fast to be honest. I could easily add some grams to the tip and be fine.

    Also, even with lead in the buttcap of the APDC, the EXO is still 1 pt more HL (both had tourna and a damp on when I compared). So you won't need to counterweight the buttcap.

    The Bab does have extra oomph..but it is closer than I thought..I need more time with it to tell you more about that.

    The EXO has that whippiness going on, and it is truly excellent for controlled groundies as well. My 2 hander was dialing in fast, and that usually takes me 1 week or so with a new stick,
     
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    el serge,

    Gotta tell you, it's freakin' phenomenal... you just put this TB stuff in and wooow... we have lift off!... el, swear to I'm not exagerating... there's nothing you can't do! :cool:

    [​IMG]

    :)

    (Haha, great link and pic you posted!)

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    You better stop. I'm starting to drool now in anticipation.:)

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    Guys, I'm very happy.

    [​IMG]

    This one is giving me that elusive FEDerfeel without bringing my game down. It is the K90 for the common man.
     
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    Fed,

    Total non tennis question from your fellow holic: SF vs. NYC? I believe you've lived in both? I have a potential - not definite - job offer in the Bay Area (actually in the East Bay, so I'd probably live on that side). Was likely headed back to NYC, as it's always had more of a tug on my heart than anywhere else, but the Bay Area has always been amazing to me in my brief weekends there and such, so I wonder. Let me know if one is way over the other for you. ...

    I know tennis wise, it's Bay Area for the win.
     
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    Woot Woot Go Bay Area! I say bay area, but that's cause I'm a hippy native that takes life slow. If you miss the hustle and bustle of the big city, go back.

    Pros of staying in the Bay:
    Nice weather year round.
    Generally nice people.
    Chill atmosphere.
    Great Tennis

    Cons:
    Many Californians can't take a joke.
    No good Deli's and European eats.
    Pizza :cry:
    Whatever else you don't like lol
     
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    Good to see this thread has been going on for so long! Hit with the Youtek Prestige pro and liked it. Got a chance to try the biomimetic 200 and wasn't too happy with the feel (nothing compares to the MW200). So I went back to the trusted 6.1 classic :)
     
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    If you make less than 160k per year and/or are in a committed relationship I would stay in Cali. You can go to the beach, ski, have a dog, etc. Also the tennis is better.

    However, if you want to have an exciting life and GOAT beautiful girls in bars while seeing all the good movies two weeks before they come out it's NYC all the way.
     
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    Well to be honest, I can tell you this stick is not for everyone. Remember, I really like flexy plush feeling sticks. I know others do not.

    Of course you did use the Rebel for quite a while, and I personally like this racquet far better. I demoed the Rebel and hit with my friends, and I just could not get into it, whereas the EXO100 instantly grabbed my attention.

    Looking up the specs for the Rebel, I can't believe it was over 12ozs..I think the Oports really do help with weight because the 100 swings very quickly..very Donnay-esque.

    Klem, I know you wrote somewhere how you leaded yours up but I am not sure I get it..it appears that the 1/4 lead tape may be a close call to squeeze on to the frame in the traditional way, but I could be wrong there.

    I got another demo..it is slightly heavier by a couple grams, but still weighs in at 11.7 with OG, Damp and 4 strips of lead laying on it.
     
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    i guess it's better weather than NY, but i lived in berkeley for 1 yr and it rained what seemed like every other week. in fact, it rained so much and so often that i thought i had moved to oregon.

    don't forget to add earthquakes to the list of Cons. :)
     
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    that was God telling you to ski Squaw :)
     
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    Serge, dream with me here:


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    You have an open pattern 95...

    TB or B5E?
     
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    I played around with my lead setup this am. I kept my 4g at the tip but also added 2g total towards the bottom of the hoop Nole style. As opposed to 3/9, it was more like 4/8.

    Pros were a little more oomph on my groundies with slightly better pocketing. A big uptick in the slice which is not the best stroke for the apd, in fact the slice was biting hard and staying low.

    The only con was that it slowed down my stick speed incrementally and my stroke is totally grooved to lead at 12-I like the violent explosion that lead at the tip provides.

    The 4/8 setup is worth experimenting with.
     
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    PEd that is very interesting about the slice...I tamed the floaters after a while..it just took practice, but the APD is not the best stick for slicing.

    Fed, I forgot to tell you this..but the best string I ever used in the 320 was Cyberflash..my god what a combo. It just is pretty stiff so make sure you restring often..but yeah..Cyberflash is still one of my fav polys ever and really shines in the tfight.
     
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    what tension? i found it very stiff and for some reason strung up my BC20 lower than usual at 47/42 really like it at the lower tension. i understand many are stringing TB in the 55-60 range. i think that'd be too stiff and tight for me.
     
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    If you have arm issues, and don't mind low low (>50) tensions in order to get any decent power, B5E.

    If you want to take over the world, TB.

    TB is a court-devouring sex tornado.

    [​IMG]
     
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    So went to my shop today to look for shoes... and get some overgrips.... and got kind of lucky.


    A kid was trying to sell off a YouTek PrestigeMid+ to the owner (whose become a friend of mine).. he wanted to trade the stick in for an APDGT.

    The owner told him he'd give him $60 towards the trade-in... I joked around and said 'I'll give you $62'.

    The kid ( I only say kid 'cause he was younger than me ).. said deal.

    I inspected the stick. It looked brand new... not even a scratch, ding, chip or scuff.

    The owner didn't mind.

    The kid got his APDGT... and I got a mint YtPresMid+ for $62.

    I'm gonna play around with this thing... maybe trim the CAPs from 4-5 and 8-7 o'clock.. try and redistribute that weight around.

    First though... I'm gonna go out and hit it!! I remember hating the MG version.
     
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    that's kinda shocking you'd think to even do that in your friend's store
     
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    ^ huh?

    He was happy to sell a frame... and reluctant on taking the trade-in because he has used racquets piling up.

    I think the kid thought I worked there. I was standing behind the counter :smile:
     
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    NYC wins!:)


    el serge,

    Could be my new signature!


    mad dog,

    Low 50s for me with the TB.


    vkarticv,

    Oh yeeeah, I remember now... you were indeed wielding that GOAT ball-crushing felt ripping ultra-mega-super stable racket of the Gods - the PSC!


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    i think these dudes are using prostock 03 tours with stiffer layups
     
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    What I am saying is the 03 white (Isner) which is 4pts HL and 11.3 stock very similar APD ball but no harsh vibes. IMO this one has way more guts than the exo3 tour but the tour has better control and feel.
     
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    Oh ok, I was looking at the new one ..it has different specs. My shop didnt have the older model, just the new one.

    What a nice little APD alternative that could be. I am potentially hooked on the flexed out feel of the the EXO though..I think in the back of my mind, I keep the 7Gs and hunt for a comfy spin stick because I am afraid I could re injure myself. there is something to be said about confidence to swing freely..a guy hitting with me was saying that I just did not swing that freely with the APD compared to the EXO and that is definitely all mental. Once I warmed up for a bit, I started hitting out with the APD, but when you have the EXO in your hand and then go to a 69 RA racquet...well personally, it is a large leap. In my opinion, the feel of the EXO is absolutely awesome, but I am coming from a tendinitis standpoint.

    Interesting thing hitting with that guy I posted about earlier..just a complete beast..the heavy top we were firing at each other unfortunately kept getting into his strike zone since he is so tall. A couple of years ago, this drove me to the closed pattern sticks after playing a few guys like this, but what I did instead was slice and keep the ball low. I had to think more about when I was going to fire off a topspin stroke, but it really helped me out instead of just abandoning my game. His weakness was slice to his 1HBH since he could not come over it well at all.

    Anyway was wondering if you guys have dealt with this as well..especially using a Tfight, Bab or other open pattern stick.
     
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    Excellent point, I've got several guys I hit with that I run into this with.

    My response over the last few months has been to adapt and pressure the ball first before applying the spin (Tennis Mav style). The ball cuts through the court more.

    I'm hitting flatter(but not flat) and the other bene is that my strings are lasting alot longer then when I was just mashing the topspin.

    Of course, you still have the heavy topspin in your bag of tricks which is handy because alot of guys have trouble with that.

    I still wonder if the apd type stick is the best weapon for this type of play, it works for Tsonga, but he's Tsonga and his apd is 349g strung.
     
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    Okay guys, so "The Donald" got hammered (Q. So does that officially signal the close of the Exo Tour love fest?!)...

    Hey, but never mind gents, at least there's another "Donald" you can all root for...

    [​IMG]

    :)

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    My little love fest began more so because I knew my wrist was going to start acting up with the APD. Well it didn't really even begin until I felt how freaking soft this racquet hit..thats about when I got a little giddy.

    I did like seeing Dyoung's heavy strokes get him into week 2 though. You could tell he was hitting bigger with whatever Prince gave him, but today his mind collapsed.

    PED, I am going to try to flatten a little more with the EXO tonight to see how it goes. I also like that the massive spin helps me slice low and deep as well.

    In my experience the majority of players I face hate the spin and do not deal with it that well...but there are guys that can (especially taller ones), and you have to be able to mix it up a little with those type players.
     

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