Did Laver dope?

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  1. YouCantBeSerious

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    Just wondering if he had a little help from the medicine cabinet.

    What is the conventional wisdom about tennis players from the past? Did they dope? And if not, when did this start? Did Borg dope? Connors?

    McEnroe just indulged in recreational drugs but I really doubt he doped. He could have gotten a nice stamina boost from simply quitting his drinking and hard partying though, so the doping claim for McEnroe doesn't make sense.
     
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  2. billnepill

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    What drugs did McEnroe use - is it cocaine as I read somewhere?
     
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    It's widely believed booze and cocaine. Like about 90% Americans of the time.
     
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    :) funny. old guys used to drink between points, so I heard. imagine top players having some beer instead of Gatorade today :).
    like Nadal talking to a ball boy 'boy I'll have a double vodka on the rocks and make sure it is perfectly aligned with my water bottles'
    Fed 'boy I'll have another Cosmo'
    Novak 'boy I'll have another scotch'
     
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    LOL. Well done!

    However, I think you got Fed and Novak's drinks mixed up. :)

    Got it? :twisted:
     
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    Yes Laver doped in 1969.....an old aged Laver beating younger guys and surviving numerous 5 setters against Roche. jk
     
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    well, Fed is more metro/classy than Novak, so I think Cosmo is a perfect drink for him :).
     
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    Dude, I meant it because of the "Scotch" thing. Murray is from Scotland, ain't he?
     
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    shoot, missed it, ... I had too much beer today after work, feel kinda slow :)
    good one tho
     
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    Laver had weekly vegemite injections into his left arm. Did you see the size of that thing? :)
     
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    I don't get it, Murray isn't from Scotchland.












    (joking ;) )
     
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    It had not been invented.
     
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    What hadn't been invented? Isn't cocaine considered a doping substance, for example?
     
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    I'll have my beer tomorrow. Drinking rules. Whoo hoo! :)
     
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    Anabolic steroid extracts preceded Laver's era, going back to Tilden's era and perhaps before, in the form of crude testicular extracts. However, the means to DETECT use was not available until perhaps late in Laver's career, perhaps later. Radioimmunoassay was initially developed in the late 1950s (by my old Mt. Sinai Med School faculty mate, Rosalyn Yalow, who received the Nobel Prize for this in 1977) but assays for most types of molecules did not become available until the late 60s or sometime in the 70s.
     
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    Thank you for the excellent background from a very informed source.

    I guess the question remains: Did they use these substances back then?
     
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    Laver was clearly doped... on success and winning.
     
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    If you couldn't test for them, the only way you'd know that they used them was through confession or admission by others.

    Not likely to happen if it hasn't already.
     
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    Well, the fact that Laver isnt dead yet, pretty much convinces me he was clean !
     
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    or he's still doping now!
     
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    Stallone and Schwarzenegger are close to Rod Laver in age and are still doing alright. :)
     
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    :lol::lol: what about Chuck Norris? He is > Bruce Lee btw :)
    didn't want to derail this thread, but Chuck is God.
     
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    Not bad, friend, but not exactly obvious. :)
     
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  24. tom_asdelonge182

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    Doped...nah Laver was doping genetically!
     
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    Something that could keep him going would be amphetamines, it wasn't hard to get it in those days.
     
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    Just about every athlete was using testosterone back then.
     
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    Some even produced their own. That requires some courage though (or is it balls)? :)
     
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    Maybe. The problem of being clinically insane is that people usually don't get your jokes. :)

    That, and the grotesque clowns with blood shot eyes in your head telling you to kill people and burn buildings. But that I can live with. LOL
     
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  29. nereis

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    Either of the dutch variety or from the testicles of bulls. ;)
     
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  30. ViscaB

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    Most products were not considered doping back then so even if he used doping he was not really doping;).
     
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    Diazepam... That's why he always look so sleepy and sluggish on the court...
     
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    IDK bout Laver but to hit them 100mph slice backhands Rosewall surely must have been on something
     
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    I see what you did there. Well done.
     
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    McEnroe himself *admitted* he doped at the end of his career to be able to keep on physically against guys like Becker, we're not talking about "claims", here... ;)
     
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  35. Russeljones

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    Korda doped (nandrolone).
     
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    You bet.
    He's actually a drug kingpin.
    What a load of tosh, as usual.
     
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    He was doped to the gills with talent. Outrageous.
     
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    I read somewhere that there was a tennis player who would drink champagne during changeovers. :) I hope the only drugs Laver did (if any) were caffiene, alcohol, and tobacco.
     
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    Lol Evan77, why would Fed specifically have a cosmo? :D Isn't that a woman's drink? What are you insinuating? :D
     
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