Did Tony Roche go too far with courtside abuse of Tomic?

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  1. RAFA2005RG

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    In my opinion Tony Roche should have faced disciplinary action for his absurd courtside display. Behavior like that doesn't help the player. Tomic is a future world number one, and maybe he should teach those Davis Cup hotheads (including Rafter) a lesson by refusing to play when they come begging in a couple of years time.
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  2. joeri888

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    Some more info would be welcome. What happened??

    Also, I think he's no longer with that girlfriend?
     
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  3. Great Uncle Bulgaria

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    Tony Roche abusive? I don't believe it.
     
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  4. HughJars

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    Terrible, terrible call mate, Tomic's antics were woeful. He gave up trying in several Davis Cups matches, coinciding with running away from the police and getting in a gifht in his own home spa. When Rafter (national legend) and Roche (national legend) told him to pack up and get his head sorted the nation applauded it. Has it had a bad effect? - I dont think so, look at his current form. And Tomic has stated he wants to play for Australia again.
     
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  5. adil1972

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    pls shed some light on what happened

    dont blame someone wihtout explaining the incident in detail
     
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  6. egn

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    Getting a bit ahead of ourselves here..
     
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    Roche berates Tomic as Australia crashes out of Davis Cup contention

    Pat Rafter gave Bernard Tomic a rocket last week, and insisted it had been a positive experience for the enigmatic Aussie tennis youngster. But veteran Davis Cup coach Tony Roche upped the ante overnight during Tomic's lacklustre loss to Florian Mayer.

    Roche berated Tomic during his 91-minute, 6-4 6-2 6-3 straight sets loss, a capitulation which meant Lleyton Hewitt had to win the fifth rubber to keep Australia in the World Group. For once, the patriotic veteran was unable to deliver, his error-riddled 6-4 6-1 6-4 defeat by world No.127 Cedrik-Marcel Stebe seeing Australia consigned to the sport's second tier for the sixth year in succession.

    SEN commentator Brett Phillips said Roche, sitting just behind Tomic, tore into the 19-year-old as he spoke to team captain Pat Rafter between games.

    An animated Tony Roche (centre) talks to Bernard Tomic (right) as Australia's Davis Cup captain Pat Rafter looks on.

    "We don't know what was said, but it was animated," Phillips said.

    Phillips guessed that the usually mild-mannered Roche was saying something along the lines of "It's on the line here … can you get some intensity about you?"

    Phillips described Tomic's performance as a "really disappointing effort", and "lackadaisical".



    Answer to OP's question: Tomic the Tank Engine likely deserved every word directed at him.


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  8. ramos77

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    this happened ages ago
     
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  9. tennisfan2010

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    Tomic spoke about DC after his win today:

    http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/-/tennis/15796273/tomic-in-no-rush-to-play-davis-cup/
     
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    Wait is NSK now Tomic Slam King?
     
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  11. Tafmatch

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    Tomic took a set of Novak at Wimbledon if I remember correctly. In a stat-obsessed mind this is of the greatest importance and a strong indicator of future greatness.
     
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  12. sbengte

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    tsk tsk....
     
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  13. Kilco

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    Love it!!Cant wait to hear more from you about Tomic!!! Quite Hilarious indeed!
     
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  14. Oz_Rocket

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    Assuming that Tomic and his intentions have been quoted correctly by the press, that is one sure way to destroy any respect he may have won from the Australian public in the last few weeks.

    Was even thinking about catching a match of Tomic's while at the AO next week but might give it a miss now.
     
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    the nadal, tomipunk... i'm amazed by your good taste. :rolleyes:
     
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    First your delusional if you really believe Tomic will be a world no.1......top 10 maybe but he doesn't have goods to be top dog.

    Second With the Tomic way was playing and his attitude Roche was totally right trying to get him to play with some heart. It's Davis Cup and for many still means something getting fired up and in someone's face not a bad thing.
     
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  17. heninfan99

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    I really don't know what to make of Tomic. I do like the orange sports car but I don't like the slice fests or his forehand. They are effective just not enjoyable to watch for me.

    I do like how they didn't baby him on the Davis Cup team. He's very young and they know that so I'm sure he'll get his act together soon.
     
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  18. TheNatural

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    Rafter and Roche didn't say much during the 5th rubber, they should have sent a huge rocket up Hewitt for his dismal 5th rubber effort vs the lowly Stebe.
     
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  19. Bartelby

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    Tomic was dumped by the Davis cup captain for the first tie and now he's dumped the captain for the second in April.
     
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  20. RAFA2005RG

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    Tomic will never be as great as Nadal, but he will win a lot of slams. Tomic will never win Roland Garros (as long as Nadal is playing), but he has a great shot at every other slam.

    Roche looked like a thug, I saw it. That was never going to aid the player.
     
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    Tony Roche isn't capable of being a thugs in this situation. He's a 65 year old confronting a 20 year old 6 inches taller than him. For the 6 months prior to that confrontation everything Tomic did was going in the wrong direction. Now everything is going in the right direction for him. At the worst Roches actions did Tomic no harm. Aggressively publicly exposing his half hearted performances might have done him the world of good.
     
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    OH MY GOD... I forgot to read what you wrote. She is HOT
     
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  23. nadal_GOAT_king

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    So it's Tomic now? Your Nadal withdrawal syndrome is that bad, huh?
     
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    LOLOLOLOLOLOL
     
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  25. RAFA2005RG

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    I'm close withTomic's sister so its not like I have a choice. But as you can see he's not my favorite player-

    But was always my favorite junior and 2nd favorite pro.
     
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  26. monfed

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    Ralph2005RG is hating on Roche cause Roche is Fed's ex-coach,say it isn't so. :lol: ;)
     
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  28. heninfan99

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    On second thought he should have sent him to his room, no allowance and taken away his Vegemite privileges.
     
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  29. gregor.b

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    Having seen the match, I don't think Rafter or Rochey could possibly have been too hard on him. Maybe if they had him knobbled or something like that they would be crossing the line but otherwise,no.

    He didn't try, he looked disinterested, and it was a disgraceful effort from someone representing his country.

    A month or two later he comes out and beats Mayer on hardcourt, so that tells me something right there.

    He may have finally pulled his head out of his own ***, and be listening to those that HAVE been there and done that.
     
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  30. Kilco

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    Haahaah soooo funny!!! Really enjoying your posts now! How close may I ask?
     
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    Yeah, especially not when your life revolves around posting with multiple accounts on the internet.
     
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    Well its obvious that Rafter and Roche have finally gone to far. Its not suprising considering there reputations. Everyone in the industry knows of Rafters and Roches temperment problems from the days on the tour. Its been well documented how the hot headed Rafter and Roche would routinley degrade opponents and fans after losses (and even wins) when on the tour. Nobody liked either one of those guys. Its part of the reason only second rate hack players like Lendle, Hewitt, and Federer would even hire Roche as a coach.

    I think tennis Australia needs to do something about this before they damage the sport in OZ. Obvioussly Tomic needs better treatment than this. I would suggest they hire Bernards Mommy or Girlfriend to coach the Davis Cup team. Rafter and Roche are obvioussly not professional enough to handle the responsability of coaching a Tennis Legend like Tomic!
     
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    someone needs to stay off the crack pipe. :mrgreen:
     
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    You must be joking. Hewitt was helped Australia win two Davis Cups and is a shadow of the player he was prior to numerous hip injuries/surgeries. No one is going to (nor should) yell at him.
     
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    Just had a listen to the press conference. This is the Poo Kiddie all over again.
     
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  37. RAFA2005RG

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    Remember that Davis Cup final in France where Hewitt lost both of his singles matches but Australia still won! The Great Mark Philippoussis.

    They better hope it is, if they want a Davis Cup.
     
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  38. Bartelby

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    Tomic wants to be a star of the ATP, not a star of a losing Davis Cup team, and given the choices that the modern tennis player has then you have to treat the talent a bit differently from the old era.
     
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  39. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    Umm, no, Hewitt failed in his singles in those finals.
    Much as he did against Stebe in 2012 and Warinka in 2011, both opponents Tomic had already beaten in both ties..

    All Hewitt had to do was win either of those matches and the Aussies were back in teh world group..

    Given the team could have either

    a) called on Matosovic or Ebden for singles (both higher ranked than Hewitt at the time) or

    b) used Paul Hanley with Guccione in the doubles to keep Hewitt fresh,

    maybe someone should be yelling at Pat Rafter instead?
     
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    Dunno why the Australian media is hyping it up so much that he was dropped. Hell Fed's skipping a couple of ties this year yet no one besides a clingy Stan had anything to say bout it. I think Rafter and Roche despite good intentions have their priorities wrong. They should be trying to get Tomic in a couple of quaters or 4th Rounds not flog the Davis Cup horse.
     
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  41. Moose Malloy

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    who did he lose to in the '03 DC Final?
     
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    And? He still got Australia to the finals in 1999, beating the USA and #8 ranked Todd Martin in the QFs, and both the Russians (#2 Kafelnikov, Safin) in the SFs.

    And no, he didn't lose a singles match in the 2003 DC finals.
     
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  43. RAFA2005RG

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    2003 Davis Cup final:
    Hewitt beat Ferrero 6-2 in 5th set.
    Moya beat Philippoussis 7-6 in 4th set.
    Woodies beat Lopez/Corretja in straights.
    Philippoussis beat Ferrero 6-0 in 5th set.

    1999 Davis Cup Final:
    Philippoussis beat Grosjean in straights.
    Pioline beat Hewitt in straights.
    Woodies beat Santoro/Delaitre 6-2 in 4th set.
    Philippoussis beat Pioline 6-2 in 4th set.
    Grosjean beat Hewitt in straights.
     
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  44. magnut

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    I think there are some good points here reguarding Hewitt. As nice as a guy he is ......he has always been one of the weaker competitors on tour. Nowhere near the level of Bernard Tomic. Rafter and Roche would do better to focus there attention to Lazy Leyton then dare question the greatness of Tomic. Once again it shows how Roche and Rafter have no clue as to how a Davis Cup team should function. Just a couple of hacks looking for fame and glory. Tony Roche has always been a bit of an attention hound so its not a supprise. Probably one of the reasons Federer fired Roche.
     
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  45. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    oh, yes, that makes so much sense..

    fact, Lleyton has failed to beat opponents Tomic has already beaten in critical ties in successive years. (Warinka, Stebe)

    Rafter allows Lleyton to dictate his own DC schedule, it seems likely he is no longer capable of playing three straight matches over three days like that.

    Making snide remarks about how great Lleyton might once have been is kind of pointless, or do you think maybe Rafter should play himself, what with him having once been a great player and all?

    this is about right here and right now, and Lleyton isn't cutting it in the singles when it matters at DC.
     
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  46. hoosierbr

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    Tomic is a spoiled brat who is only getting so many free passes because Australia doesn't have a lot of young prospects.

    Hewitt was no angel at Tomic's age but no one ever questioned his intensity and will to win which is why, thankfully, he's been so much appreciated and embraced these last years as he's mellowed and fought back from injury.

    Defend Tomic all you want but he could learn something from Hewitt, Rafter and Roche who've earned the right to be hard on him.
     
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  47. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    erm, Tomic has been winning his DC matches...

    he has only lost in DC twice, once to Federer (in 4 on grass) and once to Mayer.

    free passes? all he seems to get is tall poppy style put downs from people who have no idea..

    youngest player in the top 100, highest ranked Australian, (after Monday, even if he doesn't win another match in Sydney), 8-2 DC record after playing for Australia fro years in Junior DC.

    At the same age, Rafter (of whom I am a huge fan) had done precisely nothing, was ranked outside the top 200 and had not won an ATP match..
     
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    I don't understand "scolding" a player during a match anyway. How is any kind of negativity gonna improve the outcome? Motivating yes but in a positive manner would seem more effective.
     
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  49. magnut

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    It just depends on the player. Hewitt would probably feed off it. Him and Rasheed where known to get pretty intense towards each other. Leyton loved it. Tomic just has a different personality.

    Personally I think its hilarious. Roche is probably one of the most low key coaches in tennis history. Rafter probably doesnt have a clue how to deal with Tomic so he just goes along with Tony. It must blow Rafters mind seeing Tomic casual demeanor on court. Patrick was pretty intense ala Leyton. Tomic makes Philippousis look like Nadal out there.
     
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    Sometimes you have tried everything else.
     
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