Difficult year end discussions

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  1. timnz

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    Djokovic is most likely to be number 1 at the end of the year (and I am a Federer fan saying this) - but what if he doesn't win the WTF and Federer or Murray does. In fact what if he gets to number one simply because he gets to finals at Shanghai and Paris and doesn't win them or the WTF and Murray wins.

    Then how many tournaments would Djokovic have won this year? 4? Would he deserve to be number 1 for the year?
     
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  2. Evan77

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    not sure why another thread on this topic. there are 2 of them already going.

    However, whoever wins more points is a deserving #1. Rankings are more about consistency than just pure winning. this is not WTA. so you need to focus on a big picture and look at all tournaments played during 52 weeks.
     
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  3. The-Champ

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    He won a major this year plus other big titles. He deserves it.
     
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  4. Gonzo_style

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    Yeah let's count points only for the win in finals, not for the loss in final or SF, QF :)
     
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  5. Gonzo_style

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    Yeah, he played 9 finals this year, most of all players i think....
     
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  6. Hood_Man

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    Murray won 6 ATP titles in 2009 and ended the year as #4.

    In fact Murray (6), Nadal (5) and Djokovic (5) each won more titles than Federer (4) that year.
     
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  7. kishnabe

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    Djokovic will deserve it regardless. 3 slam finals...and winning one of them.

    Roger has an outside chance to be World Number 1....and if he does take it then....well deserved.

    It won't be like Nadal in 2010 who takes the Number one Ranking with 1 slam....while Federer holds 2 Slams and 1 final.
     
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  8. Gonzo_style

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    Yeah but this years Djokovic holds 2 Slams and 1 final but Fed take nr1 with 1 Slam :)
     
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  9. Andres

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    Nadal won 3 slams in 2010. That's why he ended up as #1. I don't know where you were going with your comment. Typo, perhaps?
     
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  10. RogerFan1991

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    So wozniacki was a deserving #1 for two years, is that what you're saying? Im not comparing woz to nole, but a player doesnt just deserve the top spot for the points he/she gains, its more about where you gain them, and if you win majors.
     
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  11. Mainad

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    Djokovic has 1 Slam this year (AO) and 2 finals (FO and USO).
     
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  12. Gonzo_style

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    No i mean after Wimbledon, 52 weeks ranking system......
     
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  13. Evan77

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    you can not compare the ATP with the WTA at all. The WTA is just a big mess, so your Woz argument is very weak. I refuse to watch all of that screaming going on and the WTA is NOT tennis. Give me back Evert/Navratilova, Seles/Graf and we'll talk.

    We are talking about 4 top guys who managed to win slams, masters plus other big tournaments this year. Not even close to Princess Serena or Clijsters who hardly play any other tournaments except slams. I won't buy their 'injury problems', ever as it's all just faking and being spoiled.
     
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    Nadal got the Number one ranking when he won the French Open....while Federer held more slams.

    Nadal did do justice by ending the year with 3 slams.

    Right now Novak has the better slam year than the rest. It improbable that he would not end Number one.

    If Federer manages it in the end....it would be sim to Nadal 2010 French Open.
     
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  15. jaggy

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    What if Murray wins the What the F?
     
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  16. timnz

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    2 slams

    Sorry, what 2 slams does Djokovic hold this year? - the australian open + ???
     
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    How did you draw that conclusion, if each of the Big Four has one each ...?

    :-?
     
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    Djokovic

    AO: Winner
    FO: F
    WIM: SF
    USO: F

    Federer:
    AO: SF
    RG: SF
    WIM: Winner
    USO: QF

    Murray:
    AO: SF
    RG: QF
    Wim: F
    USO: Winner

    Nadal:
    AO: F
    RG: Winner
    WIM: 2nd
    USO: N/A

    Djokovic has the finest record at GS's this year.
     
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  19. Tennis sensation

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    This discussion got me thinking that if Nadal had not missed the BH DTL and won the AO then how easy it would have been for Federer to get the YE No 1
     
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  20. Prisoner of Birth

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    Not very. He'd still be trailing by ~700 points by my calculation.
     
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  21. Tennis sensation

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    Oh yeah, my bad...
    But it would be have been easier for Fed to get the No 1 ranking
     
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  22. Prisoner of Birth

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    Yeah, now his chances are heavily reliant on Djokovic's failure.
     
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  23. timnz

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    Would that be right though, a guy who didn't win a slam being year end number 1
     
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  24. Prisoner of Birth

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    Luckily, we don't have to worry about that.
     
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  25. Tennis sensation

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    It would have been the Wozniacki era all over again but this time on the ATP
     
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    I say Federer must win the Shanghai Masters if he is to have any chances of ending the year at no 1.

    Also, I'd consider skipping Basel.
     
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  27. Sentinel

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    Rog needs to reach the Shanghai QF to retain #1 for 300 weeks.

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  28. Zarfot Z

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    He's gonna make it :D
     
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  29. PCXL-Fan

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    If Djokovic loses in AO final or semifinal to Nadal/Murray or Fed himself, Federer could quite likely regain his No.1 status.

    Yes Federer will likely lose #1 status before the year end, but there is another window of opportunity for #1.
     
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  30. Russeljones

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    I think any player who has won a Grand Slam tournament in a certain year would make a deserving world # 1 for that year.
     
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