Discussion in 'Classic Racquet Talk' started by Dino Lagaffe, Jan 25, 2010.
Thanks for more updates. You must be having a tons of racquets by now.
Yeah, it's adding up... And I try to update this log as I get new ones. Thanks for appreciating it.
Anyone know where the specs for the Prestige Tour 600 would fall?
That is great although it is old thread
Thanks. I'm trying to update it as I get new racquets, but that doesn't happen as often as it used to...
Fresh off the RDC-machine:
Racquet/Static weight (g/oz)/Flex/Swingweight/Balance cm
Prince Exo 3 Tour 16x18 341/12.03/54/341/32
Prince Tour Graphite (I) 355/12.52/65/332/31.75
Prince Tour Graphite (II) 355/12.52/63/325/31.5
Head Calibre 600 334/11.78/58/312/31.25
Head Calibre Tour 600 358/12.63/58/323/32
Head Radical Tour 630 1998 (I) 343/12.10/57/319/32
Head Radical Tour 630 1998 (II) 346/12.21/58/316/31.75
Head Radical Tour 630 1998 (III) 335/11.82/59/316/32.25
One 1998 Head Radical Tour 630 is now Capped and shrink sleeved. Below are the stats before and after.
Dino, thanks for all the information about these racquets. What was the condition of the Rossignol F200 (Red) (346/12.21/38/358/34.75)? Was the F200 really that flexible when new? Also, have you ever tested the Fischer Pro Classic 98?
Thanks Dino, and keep up good work
Surprisingly, it only affects the swing weight slightly. Thanks.
Yes, the next step is now to add some lead to get the SW up a little.
Thanks, glad you enjoy it.
The red F200 is in a very good used condition. I assume it was that flexible when new.
Nope, not yet... Hope to get one some day.
Thanks for all the valuable info you provide, its a great resource for those of us that enjoy classic sticks.
PS; I have a nearly pristine blue F200, which I love and sadly a cracked grey one (with the rooster). What would you recommend as the next "must have" Rossi frame? Like you I seem to have developed a fondness for Rossignols.
Hi TCTEN! I'm glad you enjoy the log. It's something I really wish had been available when I started getting old racquets, and something I really enjoy doing now.
As far as Rossignols go, I really want to mention the FGC. That one is probably my favorite Rossi of all time, being even flexier than my F200s... It might be a little hard to come by, though. Another one, that is more common, is the F250. It may not have that total F200 feel to it, but more of a "modern" touch due to the 60 flex. Great compromise of old school looks and feel and modern playability though, if you ask me.
You can't go wrong with a classic Rossignol, so I wouldn't only look for a certain model, but rather focus on getting one in as good a condition as possible. (Although the F-series would be a logical group of racquets to focus on.) Keep us updated!
a bit late but happy newyear
thank you for that , cant look at another beer either , my first day back and what a windy one any one from leeds? , gentos
The F200 must have been made with a very high percentage of fiberglass. I really like racquets with fiberglass, which gives a nice flex and cushioning to racquets. I have never played with the F200, but the Adidas GTX Pro-T Ivan Lendl was a great frame from the same era.
Many Völkls, including the C7 pro (I believe) had some fiberglass in the early-to-mid 1990s. I moved away from fiberglass to the Fischer Pro Classic 98 and the VT Pro 98 , and varying Fischer new generations of the VT Pro 98. I have a large stash of old Fischer racquets in varying condition. I have yet to find a current racquet that I like as much as my Fischers.
Great info Dino.
Yes, screw kevlar, fiberglass is the way to go. :twisted:
If I remember correctly, even newer Völkls than that had fiberglass in them. I also must admit that I share your feelings regarding Fischer. Great sticks!
Your last name sounds awfully fake Bulgarian. :mrgreen: Are you Bulgarian by any chance?
Thanks for all the information, Dino. I think a little fiberglass would benefit some modern frames.
No problem, Mike. I agree, more fibreglass to the people.
BTW, here's another racquet fresh off the machine:
Wilson Pro Select 110
Weight: 356 g / 12.56 oz
Balance: 30.75 cm
Dino what was the specs of the Vantage racquet you have measured?
thank a lot for all this data btw
I was surprise to see that the stiffness of Graphite Edge is so low (44). Somebody said it is between 55 and 60, and i felt it so.
Thanks! I have to check, I'll post it later.
I'm not sure that somebody ever measured it... :wink:
On a serious note, I think I now have more than one Graphite Edge, so I can try and get another reading and multiple racquets.
These racquet varied from individuals. I felt the matte version was a little softer and has more raw feel than the glossy one.
Another bunch of racquets measured. The format is as always:
weight in grams/weight in oz/flex/sw/balance in centimeters (Balance not measured on every racquet)
Donnay Pro One Ltd Ed Supermid I 339/11.96/66/292/31
Donnay Pro One Ltd Ed Supermid II 347/12.24/68/298/30.75
Donnay Pro One Ltd Ed OS (Orange) 348/12.28/63/318/32.25
Dunlop Revelation 200G 349/12.31/61/319/31.5
Dunlop M-Fil 200 348/12.26/63/329/32.25
Dunlop AeroGel 200 4D 325/11.46/62/305/32.25
Fischer Vacuum Classic 280 294/10.37/62/334/36
Head Prestige Flexpoint MP 345/12.17/65/332/32
Head Pro Tour 690 343/12.10/53/334/32.5
Head Radical Team MP Microgel 300/10.58/63/309/34.5
Head Radical MP Youtek (leather grip) 313/11.04/61/313/33.5
Head Specter Light 338/11.92/44/283/31.25
Head Power Plus 337/11.89/50/325/32.75
Völkl Match FCS 361/12.73/53/315/31.25
Yonex RD Ti-70 88 I 334/11.78/64/306/31.5 (Grip 2)
Yonex RD Ti-70 88 II 335/11.82/311/31.25 (Grip 2)
Yonex RD Ti-70 88 III (No grip) 319/11.25/61/301/31.75 (Grip 2)
Dino, thank you very much for all the information. Many times check your RDC-log, it's very helpful
Have you added Rossignol F280 Graphite to your F-series collection?
I cant believe that Donnay Pro One MP has such a high stiffness. I got a longbody version (graphite/kevlar), and it feels very soft, like PT630.
Hey Dino, I own a Prince Graphite Pro Series 110 (all black with white strip, no cross bar in throat), and was looking for the flex. Your log says 49, which seems great, but the other specs don't seem to match with my racquet... Mine weights 380g without overgrip, and the balance is 32cm (about 9 pts headlight).
Thanks, Goly, glad you like it! Nope, no F280 yet...
I didn't expect it to be that stiff, but I've measured a couple of racquets and multiple readings, and those are the numbers I got. Not sure if the longbody is flexier than or not.
Hi, DonDiego! After having bought, played with and measured hundreds of racquets, all I can say is that sometimes I still get surprised with the difference in numbers between the same model of racquets... Not sure what's up in this particular case.
My bad! There were two replacement grip on top of each other. That added about 20 grams to the frame. It's still heavy tough, at 363g.
Send me a private message with your email address... Thanks!
Note that these are the Limited Editions which were the stiffest pro one supermidsizes, the international and Kevlar editions were much softer...
Another bunch of racquets measured. The format is as always:
weight in grams/weight in oz/flex/sw/balance in centimeters
Adidas GTX Mid 375/13.23/71/338/32
Fischer Elliptic Kevlar (67 cm/26,4") 337/11.89/56/300/30.5
Fischer Pro Tour FT 354/12.49/67/315/31
Fischer Vacuum 280 Comp (68 cm/26,8") 307/10.83/65/323/34.75
Pacific X-Feel Pro 90 352/12.42/56/326/31.75
Prince Thunderstick 90 362/12.77/na/357/32.5
Völkl C8 Comp 302/10.65/64/304/33.75
Völkl PB10 MP 295 316/11.15/62/300/32.25
Völkl Organix 10 MP 295 325/11.46/64/312/32.5
Wilson K95 356/12.56/69/334/31.25
Wilson Ultra Hammer 5.0 295/10.41/66/362/39
Yonex Rdis 100 Mid 365/12.88/69/321/30.5
Three things really stood out in this measuring session:
1) The stiffness of the Adidas GTX Mid (71)
2) The stiffness of the Prince Thunderstick 90, where I couldn't even get a result...
3) The crazy specs of the Wilson Ultra Hammer 5.0. I have never before seen such HH balance.
I can clearly remember, when that racquet was new, World Tennis (USA) magazine tested it and found that it was the stiffest racquet they'd ever measured. Then, a couple years later, Wilson introduced the Kuebler Resonanz / Profile and the widebody era with a whole new level of stiffness began... :neutral:
Yeah, I knew it was on the stiff side, but thought it would be a couple of points south of 70.
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