Disagreement on score AFTER a match, UGH.

[OnTheLine]

So I am in a pickle.
League match, we won 3 out of 5 courts. (oddly 4 of the 5 matches went to 4rd set breakers!)

On one of the courts we lost, disagreement on the score of the first set. (I was not on this court, we won ours and there was no disagreement about anything, not even a single line call)
Both sides agree our team won.
Our team believes they won 6-3. Opposing team thinks it was 6-4,

Both teams agree opposing team served first in first set. With us receiving on the East.

Our team believes they served first in the second set, serving from the West. Their team believes they served first the second set but do not know which side. (if they agreed on this point, this would be easy!)

Our team believes they switched sides after first set; their team disagrees (again, if they agreed, this would be easy)

Both teams agree that in first set, our side had serve broken once and theirs "multiple" times.

Naturally, I wasn't on that court (or near it), but I am the one that will have to defend disputing a scoreline.

It is an advancing league, and the tie-breaker is games won, both teams are in the running so I suppose that one game could matter down the road.

Based on the above, is there any way to figure this out definitively?

 

[Mongolmike]

Video replay.

You are welcome.

 

[S&V-not_dead_yet]

So I am in a pickle.
League match, we won 3 out of 5 courts. (oddly 4 of the 5 matches went to 4rd set breakers!)

On one of the courts we lost, disagreement on the score of the first set. (I was not on this court, we won ours and there was no disagreement about anything, not even a single line call)
Both sides agree our team won.
Our team believes they won 6-3. Opposing team thinks it was 6-4,

Both teams agree opposing team served first in first set. With us receiving on the East.

Our team believes they served first in the second set, serving from the West. Their team believes they served first the second set but do not know which side. (if they agreed on this point, this would be easy!)

Our team believes they switched sides after first set; their team disagrees (again, if they agreed, this would be easy)

Both teams agree that in first set, our side had serve broken once and theirs "multiple" times.

Naturally, I wasn't on that court (or near it), but I am the one that will have to defend disputing a scoreline.

It is an advancing league, and the tie-breaker is games won, both teams are in the running so I suppose that one game could matter down the road.

Based on the above, is there any way to figure this out definitively?

No: if your team is correct with all of its assumptions, it's possible to reconstruct a 6-3 win. But if the other team is correct with all of its assumptions, it's possible to reconstruct a 6-4 win.

You need one more data point that both teams agree on. For example, did they agree on the score of the 2nd set and where each team ended up?

Flip a coin?

 

[OnTheLine]

No: if your team is correct with all of its assumptions, it's possible to reconstruct a 6-3 win. But if the other team is correct with all of its assumptions, it's possible to reconstruct a 6-4 win.

You need one more data point that both teams agree on. For example, did they agree on the score of the 2nd set and where each team ended up?

Flip a coin?

Okay, That is what I thought, and all my pen scratchings said the same ... I was hoping all of the gurus around here would be able to see somehting differently.

They agree on the score of the 2nd set. They do not agree on who served either first OR last in that set. If they agreed on either of those, I could recreate it backwards and get to who served first which would determine who served last in the 1st, which would determine whether score was odd or even.

Nor do they agree on who served first in the 3rd set breaker. They agree on final tie-break score (10-8) but not on who served last.

I suggested flip a coin and was nearly throttled by both my teammates and opposing captain (who played on that court!)

How can people not know any of this?

 

[S&V-not_dead_yet]

Okay, That is what I thought, and all my pen scratchings said the same ... I was hoping all of the gurus around here would be able to see somehting differently.

They agree on the score of the 2nd set. They do not agree on who served either first OR last in that set. If they agreed on either of those, I could recreate it backwards and get to who served first which would determine who served last in the 1st, which would determine whether score was odd or even.

Nor do they agree on who served first in the 3rd set breaker. They agree on final tie-break score (10-8) but not on who served last.

I suggested flip a coin and was nearly throttled by both my teammates and opposing captain (who played on that court!)

How can people not know any of this?

You could suggest having the 4 play another set [with a scorekeeper] and whoever wins gets the extra game.

 

[Cindysphinx]

You could follow the Code.

Either reconstruct (this has failed).

Or you replay the disputed points (can’t work).

Or you flip a coin (or ask your league coordinator to do it).

And you tell your players to confirm the score of the first set before they start the second. ‘Cause I see this happen before.

 

[OnTheLine]

You could follow the Code.

Either reconstruct (this has failed).

Or you replay the disputed points (can’t work).

Or you flip a coin (or ask your league coordinator to do it).

And you tell your players to confirm the score of the first set before they start the second. ‘Cause I see this happen before.

It will land on league coordinator's shoulders I fear ... I hate being involved in this at all. Waste of time and energy and ruins reputations.

I told my players: take a picture of the score board or write it down from now on.

 

[tennis tom]

It's only tennis...

 

[schmke]

So I am in a pickle.
League match, we won 3 out of 5 courts. (oddly 4 of the 5 matches went to 4rd set breakers!)

On one of the courts we lost, disagreement on the score of the first set. (I was not on this court, we won ours and there was no disagreement about anything, not even a single line call)
Both sides agree our team won.
Our team believes they won 6-3. Opposing team thinks it was 6-4,

Both teams agree opposing team served first in first set. With us receiving on the East.

Our team believes they served first in the second set, serving from the West. Their team believes they served first the second set but do not know which side. (if they agreed on this point, this would be easy!)

Our team believes they switched sides after first set; their team disagrees (again, if they agreed, this would be easy)

Both teams agree that in first set, our side had serve broken once and theirs "multiple" times.

Naturally, I wasn't on that court (or near it), but I am the one that will have to defend disputing a scoreline.

It is an advancing league, and the tie-breaker is games won, both teams are in the running so I suppose that one game could matter down the road.

Based on the above, is there any way to figure this out definitively?

No one remembers who served the last game of the first set? Certainly someone recalls serving it out for the set win or getting the break?

You already indicated no one agrees on who served last in the second set or first/last in the tie-break which would help. How can they not agree on any of these? No one can recall any one of those end of set points and who served and how it was won?

 

[OnTheLine]

No one remembers who served the last game of the first set? Certainly someone recalls serving it out for the set win or getting the break?

You already indicated no one agrees on who served last in the second set or first/last in the tie-break which would help. How can they not agree on any of these? No one can recall any one of those end of set points and who served and how it was won?

I know. Utterly boggling ... they all disagree, and not even along team lines ... it's like each individual remembers differently. Hurts my brain.

 

[tennis tom]

I know. Utterly boggling ... they all disagree, and not even along team lines ... it's like each individual remembers differently. Hurts my brain.

I feel your pain! How much do you get paid for dealing with this?

 

[OnTheLine]

I feel your pain! How much do you get paid for dealing with this?

Too true ... I get my club league fees partially waived (court time and match balls for the season)

 

[tennis tom]

Too true ... I get my club league fees partially waived (court time and match balls for the season)

Is it worth it?

 

[Mongolmike]

I bet they remember what outfit everyone was wearing tho...

 

[OnTheLine]

@Mongolmike I doubt it. Not a league that is matchy-matchy. And, that is a little bit on the snarky side of comments.

I enjoy captaining, have never had this happen before, particularly over one score in the match.

 

[esgee48]

The teams agreed on who won the match. They agreed on the 1st set score. It's the 2nd set score that is in dispute. The score has to be entered with an asterisk that the 2nd set score is disputed, either 6-3 OR 6-4. If you cannot enter the score with the asterisk, then you have to make a coin flip. You should have asked the LLC to make the coin flip; or both captains get together and flip a coin. One flips, the other calls or they can agree beforehand that Heads is 6-3 and Tails is 6-4.

 

[OnTheLine]

No, the disagree on 1st set score. And I did recommend the coin flip with the other captain, and got a resounding "no" from all parties. (I did not play on this court, but other captain did)

 

[AtomicForehand]

This has happened to me too. In my town, there are physical scoreboards on virtually every court. I am now in the habit of indicating the scoreboard before resetting it after the first set, saying, "OK, first set to you 6-4, yes? Ha ha, I've learned the hard way not to reset the scoreboard until everyone agrees." The opponents will normally respond, "Yep, 6-4," and only THEN will I reset the scores to love-all.

When the match is finished, I'll say as I'm leaving the court, "Thanks again for a fun match. So the scores were 6-4 to you guys in the first set, then 6-3 and 6-2 to us, right? And we'll enter the scores?"

It's just safest and best that way.

Good luck, OP, in getting your score situation sorted!

 

[esgee48]

OK, I am corrected. You still have to report the score to the system. Do it after talking with the LLC, which you did. The disputed score on the 1st set has to be noted. I would report as 6-3 and let the other team captain dispute. Now it is in the system. Then the LLC will step in and FLIP the coin since neither side can reconstruct what happened. I hope the LLC is an understanding person.

 

[schmke]

I know. Utterly boggling ... they all disagree, and not even along team lines ... it's like each individual remembers differently. Hurts my brain.

Someone is just refusing to remember because they know it won't support the score they want the first set to be.

 

[OnTheLine]

Opposing captain just input the scores: 6-3 in the first set. So no need for a dispute ... likely the right choice to just move on.

 

[S&V-not_dead_yet]

Opposing captain just input the scores: 6-3 in the first set. So no need for a dispute ... likely the right choice to just move on.

That was too easy! File a protest so you can haggle some more!

 

[OnTheLine]

I know, lost all my sense of frustration in one stroke of lets-just-move-along!

 

[J_R_B]

Enter it as 6-0 6-0. that'll teach them to plss you off.