Disco Iontec - Wow, what a feeling

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  1. BlxTennis

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    I played with Iontec a few months ago with a Eagnas Synthetic gut(perfect spin) and didn't realized the pocketing I was feeling is due to Iontec. I gave credit to perfect spin at the time. However, I tried Perfect spin a few other times with full bed, hybrid with others and just can not get that same pocketing feel back. I strung up NRG2 yesterday at 58 main and Iontec 54lbs cross. I played with it for about 3hours tonight and it's just a great set up. Every shot I feel the ball pocketing the racquet like no others. I am going to get a reel of this string. I am thinking it almost doesn't matter what other Multi I put on main as long as Iontec as the cross. I need to string it at main either full bed or hybrid to see if it gets any better.
     
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    Can we have a ban on talking about this string? It's not available in the UK!

    Seriously, it's great when you find a winning formula with a frame. And a bonus when it's not a silly price!
     
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    Don't feel too bad. Not everyone thinks it's that great. I tried it as a cross with gut. It was great for about 3 hours, then it started having less spin, my wrist started getting numb, and my elbow started feeling more pain. Maybe if your arm is not as sensitive as mine, it's a good string because it does have nice feel for a poly.

    I would advise giving it more time before you buy a reel. I hope you're not a string breaker because a multi, like NRG2, in the mains isn't going to last very long if you break strings.
     
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    I usually break strings after about 4-5 sets of game. I hit with semi-western forehand. And you are right, the current set up seems like will break within 1-2hr of hitting. What would you suggest other than natural gut or Iontec hybrid with gut which I may ended up using.
     
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    The top multis on Mikeler's thread (Discho Microfibre and Premier Attack are the ones I tried) have nice ball pocketing and last longer than your typical multi if you want to try a full bed. I happen to like Kirschbaum Touch Multifibre as well.

    If you like the spin from a poly cross (which you won't get from a full multi), gut mains might be your best option if you want it to last more than 4-5 sets. I actually like full gut (I'm trying Klip Legend). It seems to last long enough, and I don't have to worry about my arm, but you have to keep it away from moisture or it will stretch and possibly break. For poly crosses, MSV Focus Hex was actually easier on my arm as a cross string than Iontec. A lot of people on this board like Co-Focus as a cross, which is the smooth version of it.
     
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    Play the Iontec as a full bed at a lower tension. 46-8 seems to be the magic number for me.
     
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    +1 works great for me, too, although my magic numbers are a bit higher.
     
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    i like using iontec hexa 1.20 as a cross. works well to soften and improve the feel of a stiff poly main.
     
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    Thanks Ramon. All the strings you mentioned(Microfibre, Premier Attack, MSV Focus Hex, MSV Co-focus and Pacific Gut -not klip) I actually have them but waiting in line :) I have tried a few Multi already(Quasi Gut, Gamma Professional, Dunlop Hexy Fiber, Eagnas Feeling) but none has this pocket feeling with the current set up. The only other time I had this pocket feel was with Eagnas perfect spin sythetic hybrid with Iontec. At the time I thought it was the Perfect spin was giving me this great feel. Now I know it's the Iontec because when I did a full bed on Perfect spin, nothing special about it. I just got the Microfibre and I will do a full bed when the current set up breaks.
     
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    I've played Iontec in a full stringbed at 52lbs and the Iontec Black in a hybrid with PSGD crosses, 54x58.

    Excellent value and performance.
     
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    Just strung up some Iontec Salmon 1.20 at 53lbs CP. Going to have a hit with it later.

    pvaudio has agreed to reimburse me the cost of a set if I don't like it ;-)
     
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    Don't hit the ball in the net with your fishy setup.
     
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    How am I supposed to compare like for like then?? :mrgreen:
     
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    I still prefer 'earthworm' to salmon'.
     
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    While calling it "earthworm" may be unpalatable, if salmon were delivered to my table at that color, I would question its quality.
     
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    Farmed salmon is artificially colored anyway - the fish get fed colorings to make them look pink. Farmed salmon meat is naturally grey. Its only wild salmon that is pink as they eat Bubba-Gump shrimps.
     
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    ^^^^^
    Astaxanthin, to be more specific.
     
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    Playtest review of Discho Iontec Astaxanthin 1.20 below.

    It never ceases to amaze me how different polys can be....

    - Classic 'old school' feeling poly. Nothing like a modern co-poly at all.

    - Fairly powerful string, though not in an overpowered or uncontrollable way. At the 53lbs CP I strung it at, you can land the ball near the baseline pretty easily and without much effort. The string encourages a more of a laid back, smooth style of hitting, based around point construction and moving your opponent around positionally. Want to thump the ball into the corner from the baseline for an attempted winner? You can do that with this string. Want to play a delicate drop shop to setup a subsequent volley? You can do that well with this string. You want to play a mid court ball, with the ball staying low and the power tapering off? You can also do that easily with this. In fact, this string has excellent power modulation and adjustability in the terms of the amount of power that you can put on the ball. It reminds me of one of those old hi-fi systems that have those big heavy volume knobs. You want thumping volume? You got it. You want low volume music in the middle of the night? You've got it. You want infinite variations in between? You've got it. Really quite satisfying. Complete opposite of something like Weiscannon B5E which is more like a on/off switch in terms of power levels.

    - Feel. Good meaty contact everytime you strike the ball. Some strings feel too mushy, springy or elasticky. Others simply too hard. But there's a nice solid, satisfying, 'thumpy' meaty contact with the ball no matter what stroke you're playing. String feels quite heavy for its gauge. Doesn't feel like a thin string at all despite supposedly being 1.20.

    - Volleys. Good. Again a result of that meaty, solid feel when making contact with the ball. Flat, punched volleys were particularly good; much better than drop volleys as a huge amount of underspin isn't really required. Absorbed pace well, ball doesn't spring off the stringbed too much when volleying (BHB7 is a bit notorious for that). Good, controlled repulsion of the ball off the stringbed.

    - This string really tends to flatten out the trajectory of the ball that you hit. If you're looking for a 'grabby', 'spin orientated' poly, this absolutely is not it. At times, I felt as if I was back playing with my 6.1 (95/18x20) rather than my more spin orientated current stick (96/16x20). Seriously. It made my racquet feel almost like my old closed pattern 6.1. Obviously, some spin is there but its just not pronounced, and instead I found myself hitting through the court more. You can hit a heavy(ish) ball, but its a flatter heavy ball, rather than a true 'heavy' ball that shoots forward off the bounce ie a ball that has weight, pace, spin and pushes your opponent back.

    - Spin. There just ins't much there. It just isn't a super grabby, spin orientated spin. You notice the lack of spin particularly when chasing down short balls and trying to whip the ball up and over the net over a short distance. I hit the tape a few times, whereas I making the same shot with Black Magic 17 just a week earlier...for winners. Black Magic just allows you to stay on the gas and be aggressive with so much more RHS in that situation because you know that string is just going to grab the ball and bring it down even over short distances. Just coudn't manage the same shot with this string. Ended up lifting the ball up and deep onto the baseline, which is fine, but it just keeps my opponent in the rally for longer and gives him the chance of a passing shot or lob, depending on how well I place the ball. Another instance where the lack of grab from this string became apparent was against a S&Ver. Raining outside, moved to an indoor carpeted court. Obviously a fast, low bouncing surface. It was really hard trying to dip returns of serve down at his feet. Much, much harder compared with the noticeably grabbier and more adjustable (in terms of spin), Black Magic 17. I ended up trying pass him on either side which gives him an easier volley. Much harder work to get the ball to dip.

    - Serves. This is an area of weakness caused by the lack of grab that the string imparts (or should I say, the spin that it doesn't impart). When serving, this string is like a shire horse that only wants to move in one direction, no matter how hard you shake the reins, or beat it with a stick, rather than a dancing pony that does all sorts of tricks on command. By coincidence, I had been playing with Black Magic 17 in the same racquet the preceding week. That string offers much, much more variation when serving than the Iontec. For example, I rarely hit slice serves to someone's FH on the deuce side, because if you get it wrong or don't put enough slice on it, they can just tee off. With Black Magic, hitting a hybrid slice/kick serve on the deuce side caused all sorts of problems for my opponent with the ball popping up to shoulder height and pulling them wide into the trams. I couldn't do anything remotely similar with Iontec. If I tried to put pace on the ball, the serve ended up more like a flat serve. If I tried to put a huge amount of cut up and around the ball, the serve didn't seem to penetrate in the same way. It was hard work trying to produce variations. I ended up mostly serving flat down the T or into the body. Black Magic is a lightyears better string for serving than this.

    - Slice. Don't ask me to explain why, but this string is phenomenal for playing attacking slices. You can a take huge cut down and under the ball and it really penetrates deep through the court whilst staying low throughout its trajectory. Add some slice across the ball, and it shoots sideways off the bounce, and if you're slicing down the line, it will be penetrate deep into the court as well as pulling your opponent into the trams. It was a surprsingly effective shot. Rarely would I describe myself as someone who plays a good attacking slive, but with this string, half the time I thought about playing a slice on the BH side rather than an overhand BH, whereas with other strings, it will mostly be the latter.

    - Stiffness. It's not a super soft co-poly but when first strung its not uncomfortable. Meaty, slightly firm feeling from the stringbed. Some give, but not a huge amount. The problem is that the starts stiffening with increased playing time. After 4-5 hours of hitting, the string has noticeably stiffened up compared to when it was fresh, presumably because the accumulated impact stresses have caused the string to begin to break down and lose its elasticity. In that regard, it reminds me of the characteristics of WC Scorpion on its way to going to dead. That string also stiffens up and loses its elasticity, snap back etc with accumulated hitting. The increased stiffening of Iontec starts to happen from about 4 hours, and I have to admit, that I personally don't like strings that harden in that way because you never know what its going to do next to your arm, rotator cuff etc. You never know whether the next hitting session is going to be one too much. I noticed the increasing stiffness when serving rather than on groundstokes, and I have to say that it does become deceptively hard on the arm.

    Overall: Not bad. Interesting string, with good points and not so good points. Enjoyed playtesting it, but its really a string for someone who doesn't mind playing a flatter, more patient game, based on point construction and moving opponents around. I'm always amazed at how different polys can make (or force) you play in different ways. With Black Magic, it encourages to play with blood and thunder, fire and brimstone, rip, rip, rip, and be aggressive with tons of spin, short angles, balls jumping off the court etc. With Iontec, it forces you play in a more laid back, considered way, because you simply can't make the same shots that you can with Black Magic. It feels like a more traditional string, where you either hit through the court, move opponents around, and/or end the point with a volley into the open court. I found myself coming to the net alot more with this string. It's like being one of those B&W tennis films from back in the day. Is one better than the other? Depends how you play, I suppose. For me, Black Magic is noticeably the greater performance string simply because it allows you to stay on the gas for more of the time, and adds something extra in terms of the greater variety of shotmaking that it allows. The fact that Black Magic is also more comfortable on the arm as well makes it a no brainer for me.

    (Discho Iontec 53lbs CP in BLX Juice Pro 96/16x20)

    Summary Conclusion:

    + Good, meaty, solid contact between stringbed and ball, with good repulsion of the ball off the stringbed
    + Good for flattening out the trajectory of the ball and hitting through the court
    + Good control
    + Excellent power modulation
    = Not a particularly soft co-poly in terms of arm comfort, pocketing, or springiness.
    - Lack of spin potential
    - String becomes harder on the arm with increased hitting, typically from 4+ hours
    - Difficult to get variation on serves compared to the best 'spin' orientated co-polys
    - Slightly 'one note-ish' compared to some other polys on the market

    Addendum: I have several sets of various Discho strings remaining - Iontec Hex, RPM Power, Go4Gold and even some of their natural gut. May try hybriding their natural gut with a Iontec cross. Should work in theory - the meatiness of the Iontec should in theory complement the elasticity of the gut. Doubt that I'll be trying it anytime soon.
     
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    What? You mean it actually goes dead (like every other poly existence)? I thought everyone else was worshipping this string as the holy grail! :lol:
     
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    Should've kept my mouth shut. That's gonna be a mouthful.
     
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    I hope not. It's not a bad string - good in some areas, rather poor in others. But if this is anything remotely close to being holy grail of strings, then there must be awful lot of crap out there.

    My arm and shoulder are also protesting slightly today. Seems that there's a price to pay for that meaty contact between stringbed and ball....

    VS/Alu is the only sting setup IMO remotely close to being the holy grail of strings in performance terms, but even then its tension sensitive and only good for as long as the Alu lasts, which is not very long at all....
     
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    The only person that I tested the Hexa 1.20 on, hated it.
    Wanted to go back to BHBR/OGSM.
    On the other hand, everyone who has tried Iontec Black 1.27, loves it.
    I'm on my second reel.
     
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    if you expected a string that costs $5/set (reel price) to last forever and do everything really well :shock:, no wonder you were let down. :roll: also, there's never going to be any one string that works for every player. so your holy grail might be crap to someone else and vice versa.

    it's a really good performing string that offers great value. in fact, i haven't found any other string for $5 that plays better. if and when i do, i'll be switching. :cool: technifibre red code performs even better, but there's no cost break with a reel and at $10/set, that's 2x's the price of Iontec.
     
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    in my experience, 1.20 Hexa works better in a racquets with tight string patterns (18x19 and 18x20).
     
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    very true. it either lasts as long as Alu lasts or until the gut snaps. either way, it's not very long for a very pricey set of strings.
     
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    The main reason I was let down was that I noticed it going dead after only 3 hours, and this was in a gut main poly cross setup. MSV Focus Hex, which is comparably priced, went about twice as long as a cross for a multi/poly setup on a much stiffer frame, and I didn't notice it dying by the time the mains broke. I agree that Iontec had good feel for a poly for the first 3 hours. I have a sensitive arm, so I notice these things before other people, so for me the loss of elasticity in a short time is a deal breaker.
     
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    As statements go, that's absolute nonsense.
     
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    yes, i agree it dies. the fall off in performance as it dies isn't as dramatic as the lux polys where performance and spin fall off the face of the cliff after a few hours. i can't play w/ lux once it has lost elasticity, but i can continue to play iontec for quite a bit longer. since it's so affordable, i cut it out after 6-7 hours now.

    i'll need to try some MSV Focus Hex. what gauge do you prefer?
     
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    I tried 17L. TW only sells that gauge.
     
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    Hm...The set up(Supra 16G main 58lbs Iontec 16G cross 54lbs) still works for me after some 20+ hours of play time on my Wilson Pro Staff 90 16x19 pattern. I hit with semi-western and sometimes go full western forehand. Supra still holding up well(knock on wood) and so is Iontec on the cross.
     
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    The problem here is that a large part of what you're evaluating is the multi, particularly given that its the multi that you're using in the mains.

    All the Iontec is doing (or indeed, any poly cross) is adding some stiffness to the stringbed, allowing the multi to slide more, and contributing to some of the stringbed firmness particularly on flatter shots. That's not insignificant but neither is it the majority contribution from the stringbed.

    So really, it would be more accurate for you to have said 'Wow, what a feeling', 'pocketing' etc referring to whatever particular combination of multi mains it is that you're using with Iontec crosses, rather than suggesting that its all down to the Iontec, which it clearly isn't.
     
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    This is where Iontec works for you but not for me. Just because you don't feel a pain in your arm doesn't mean the string isn't dying. It just means you don't feel it. Are you getting the same amount of spin you did in the first 3 hours? Probably not.

    A friend of mine was using Head Sonic Pro for about a year before he finally cut it. Obviously, the string was already dead for a long time, but he just has arms of steel.
     
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    In some other thread, I think I did say that I don't like Iontec in the main much but only as a cross. I had used other Poly, Multi and Synthetics in the cross before and this is the only string I found that gave me this feel regardless what I used for main.
     
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    I played tennis in high school and college and stop playing tennis about 15yrs. When I start playing tennis again, I went all out and ended up with pretty bad TE. I didn't know much about Poly and I had full bed of it. I stopped for over 1yr to let the elbow heal. So I am very sensitive to stiff poly. However, with Iontec as a cross, my arm is not feeling any pain at all. After trying tons of strings that are recommended on this board, I know that string preference differ from person to person. I am not trying to convince anyone but just do my part to contribute to this forum.
     
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  36. mctennis

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    I have a hybrid set up using the Iontec black as my crosses, gut mains. So far I have about 6 hours on this setup. I think this is a great feeling and great control setup. I would like to see how long this setup lasts before I make this one of my "go to" setups. It is probably one of the top two or three that I have to say hits great right away.
     
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