Division I Men's Team Indoors

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  1. Fedace

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    If both Stanford and Virginia can make it to the finals, it would be the best Final in history of ITA indoor championships...
     
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    all though id have to say virginia would have the upper hand no offense.. especially with domijan on the team
     
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    New rankings today make no changes to the bracket. There will be new team rankings along with singles and doubles rankings next Monday.

    As of right now, Stanford and Virginia would be on track to meet in the quarterfinals, if Stanford can get past Texas A&M, and Virginia past Washington.
     
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    Champaign-Urbana, IL /pop. 225k
    Palo Alto, CA /pop. 60k
    Athens, GA /pop. 90k
    Bryan-College Station, TX /pop. 205k
    Tulsa, OK pop. /390k
     
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    What happened to Duke this week? I thought they were a top team, and they have 2 players ranked top 10, yet they lost to #16 Illinois 4-2... Duke against Tennessee today, let's see if the ducks can spring back from their loss.
     
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    Thanks Saigonbond, actually the population for Champaign-Urbana is about 120,000 not including about 40,000 students. Your point is established that it is plenty big enough to hold the NCAA tournament.
     
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    Yeah, there was some discussion of this match about twenty posts ago on this thread - guess you didn't catch it. A pretty close match between two pretty evenly matched teams at a rowdy Illinois venue. Definitely wasn't a great showing for 4-6 from Duke, and probably puts them up against one of the top seeds in Indoors next week, but oh well.

    Slight correction: Duke plays a tune-up against VCU today. Duke men get a shot against #2 in the country Saturday (which I predicted a ways back in this thread as probably a rough one - though I wouldn't rule out it being a dangerous one for Tenn. if Duke can scrape out the dubs point) and Duke women get a shot at #2 UF Sunday. Big weekend in Durham.

    As for ducks - whatever do you mean? Though my story was purely a work of fiction as I said, I think I saw one once when I was visiting Wake Forest, but none during my time at Duke. Odd since we have such nice gardens in the middle of campus, but maybe some administrators ran it out of town. :)
     
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    Also, the Illini get two more chances at small upsets at home this weekend - Kentucky and Florida. Man, they're really putting their players through the gauntlet early - props to their coaches. If and when they get totally healthy (KU Singh back) and get their doubles better (which may happen as well when he comes back - don't know a lot about his game) I think they're going to be a very dangerous team. The type of team I would very much not want to play in the round of 16 or quarters if I were one of the big dogs come tourney time.
     
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    I think your number for Champaign-Urbana has to be for the whole "metro" area, including Savoy, unincorporated parts of the county, Mahomet, etc. Even then, I don't think it's 225k.

    2009 estimates for Champaign are around 70,000 and 40,000 for Urbana. I went to grad school in C-U and I can't see any way that the C-U metro area is 225k. Maybe if Danville is included.

    On the other hand, Palo Alto is part of the entire South Bay region (San Jose, etc.), so even if it is only 60k by itself, that's a bit misleading.

    Not that any of this matters to hosting NCAAs. Champaign will do fine. But, your numbers are misleading.
     
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    Illini looking good at home again, taking the dubs pt and five first sets against UK.
     
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    Illini pull out another win tonight with a win over a good Kentucky team. Once again KU Singh was pulled out of the lineup. Hopefully he can play tomorrow night against Florida.
     
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    what's his deal - do you know? didn't play last year according to his bio and injured a lot so far this year it seems?

    i'm not too on top of things that happen in the big ten tennis scene
     
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    My apologies. Any perceived misleading was unintended. I was just making a point of comparison, which is accurate nonetheless.

    Palo Alto is not part of South Bay (Census pop. 1 Mil+). I assume you meant San Franciso Bay Area (Census pop. 7.5 Mil+). Your point is well taken in the same way mine was intended.

    I meant to write Champaign-Urbana Metro (which is defined as: Champaign, Piat, & Ford counties/ Census pop. 224,191).

    And yes, the U of I is my alma mater. Go Illini!

    Cheers!
     
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    Mikej, last year KU Singh didn't get clearing from the NCAA to play. Consequently, he was not eligible to play until this January. On an interesting note, that with the university ultimately not accepting Jean Anderson really put last year's team behind the eight ball. Anderson then got accepted to Texas on a faxed transcript. Go figure.

    My understanding is that KU is injured but I don't have any inside information on that. They really need him to compete this year with Ohio State. Ohio State added a really good player for the spring who is playing four for them but will eventually play three. I think he is from The Netherlands but I can't remember his name.
     
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    Interesting choice by Tenn to put Rhyne at #2 behind JP. The way I see it - Duke's best opportunities coming into this match are (or were) at 1,2,6 singles and the anything-can-happen doubles point.

    This change has two interesting consequences
    1) not sure Duke has much of a chance at 2 anymore, Rhyne destroyed him at Indoors

    and the caveat to that

    2) Reid has some of the most dedicated supporters I've seen of a single player on the Duke team - and they're in your face and rowdy - I only wish I could be there to see the back and forth b/t them and Rhyne and the possible meltdown that might ensue
     
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    welp, a beatdown in durham, 7-0 tennessee

    good job by duke showing some fight after losing a bad dubs pt and all the first sets...forced a third set on 4 courts and thwarted a few serving-for-the-match efforts, but no cigar...three of the four 3rd sets were decided by 10-pt TB

    can't wait til indoors to see whether uva and tenn have any challengers...apparently we have our answer regarding whether duke is one (not that i'm too surprised)
     
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    overall score was a beatdown but the match was fairly close. duke lost all 4 three setters and losing at 1 doubles hurt as well. if duke had played better and won at #1 dubs and snuck out the win at number 2 it's a whole different match. i wouldn't be too disappointed as duke's weak spots (4,5 singles) lost but their stronger spots all lost close matches (except for 1 doubles). look for them to keep improving but i think UT and UVa are in a league of their own this year.
     
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    yeah, i actually found the match encouraging in general (at least in singles)...much better fight than they showed against illinois in singles, and maybe cunha will gain some confidence towards regaining his freshman form thanks to that gutsy second set comeback against a top guy

    and agreed re: league of their own - they seem to have all three key things that make for a great college team:
    1) big punch at the top of the lineup
    2) great depth
    3) a tough dubs point to steal

    i simply don't see how anyone besides each other beats those two teams without the dubs pt, which will take quite an effort in itself....we'll see soon enough, bring on Indoors...
     
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    Georgia lost a tough match to Georgia Tech today (apparently quite the classic), so I imagine that'll drop them towards the bottom of the seeding now. Kind of a bummer, cause I think they could have made an impact if they had a favorable draw.
     
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    tough day for the SEC then

    UF was the latest victim of the Illini's hot streak at home

    interestingly, Nevolo beat Lacroix 6-0 in the 3rd to clinch it - that's two current top-4 players that he has beaten 0 in the 3rd this week - hopefully someone buys him a drink tonight, he's earned it
     
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    Looks like a good effort by Duke.
     
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    Well, we still have a day before the new rankings that will determine the draw come out, but I think we can ink in the first round matchup between Virginia and Washington.
     
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    ah, i had forgotten about the host team, glad duke won't have to play uva yet...hopefully just one more team gets stuck behind them in the rankings - i don't have the same kind of 'would take a miracle' feeling vs anyone else that i do vs uva or tenn

    edit: i just realized that tenn is currently #3 in this based-on-last-year rankings shenanigans...maybe i'm hoping for that 15 seed after all if usc stays at #2

    in other news, duke women making a nice comeback vs #2 UF in a matchup of top 6 teams...down 3-0, back to 3-2 now, with seniors nze and zsilinszka still battling
     
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    Here we go. GOOD LUCK to Scott Lipsky in the SAP doubles final. Playing with Illini Rajeev Ram but that's ok, we will forgive you. lol. Anyway, Good Luck Scott, this one's for Stanford. KEEP the spirit high going into the ITA indoors. Maybe this win can rub off on the boys.
     
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    mikej, duke-usc would be an interesting match. remember duke beat usc last year when farah was injured. usc just beat pepperdine 5-2 and duke beat pepperdine 4-3 with two of pepperdine's wins coming in a super tiebreak after duke had already clinched the match. i'm not calling an upset just saying
     
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    yeah - i'm not ready to call that upset either - but i'd be ready to say duke gets at least a couple points and has a real chance to make some waves in that matchup

    i think it'll happen - basically in the seedings based off tomorrow's rankings:
    1) usc / tennessee will by 2/3, probably in that order
    2) duke / texas tech will be 14/15, probably in that order

    it's just my gut feeling - but i think the voters might be sneaky enough to jumble one of those two situations, avoiding the duke-tenn. rematch...i hope so anyway, better for college tennis to get to see more interesting matchups over the course of the season, but who knows if they show that kind of forethought when they cast their ballots

    frankly, if they leave 2 and 3 the same this week, they might as well stop changing rankings week to week and just base all rankings off the previous ncaa tournament, because they'll be showing they don't pay any attention to results...duke beat pepperdine comfortably, and tenn. beat duke way worse than usc beat pepperdine...there's no justification for usc over tenn. anymore other than "they haven't lost yet" mental laziness
     
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    Roy Kalmanovich

    Illinois has a player that rejoined them in January; Roy Kalmanovich. Does anyone have any background info on him? Why he dropped out and then came back this year. He's been playing pretty good in the #4 slot. Anyone have anything on him?

    Go Illinois!
     
  31. saigonbond

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    Tried his hand as a pro

    I-L-L ! ...
     
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    I N I !

    He seems to be doing well in his return.
     
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    No, he had knee issues that forced him to sit out.
     
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    Really? Can you point us to some of his pro results in the 18 months that he was gone from Illinois?
     
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    His only results are from a Challenger qualifying draw and a Futures Qualifying draw last spring.
     
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    Actually, I think you both are right. At the 2009 NCAA Championships, Roy lost in the second round of the singles draw to the number one seed from Tulsa in a good three set match. He felt pretty good about his game and where he could go with it. At that point, my understanding is that the plan for him was to play some summer futures and see how his game progressed along with his results. He actually played pretty good from what I remember and beat Klahn in one of the futures on the ******* summer swing.

    He then decided to take off at least the fall semester to play more pro tournaments. That fall he got injured and kind of stopped playing. He then decided to rehab get healthy and then take it from there. At some point, he decided to re-enroll in school and that is why he is back for Illinois.

    He really helps out there line-up and I suspect he will move back up to the three spot. I heard that KU Singh was reinjured in the Florida match so we will see how that goes. As a disclaimer, I have not talked to Roy about this so I am not 100 percent positive.
     
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    What's the deal with Singh? He is really a mystery. Did he deserve to be No. 2 against Florida? Is he really that good? I saw that he won a tournament with mostly Illini players last fall. Other than that, I'm wondering, "Who is this guy?" And what was his injury?
     
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    KU is very good and definately deserves to be in the two spot. No worse than the three spot if Kalmanovich gets back to where he was two years ago.
     
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    I hope his injury wasn't too serious then. He definitely got smoked by Bangoura on Saturday.

    Maybe we should start an Illinois thread. :)
     
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    New rankings are out. Here's what the field will probably look like:

    1. Virginia
    16. Washington

    8. Illinois
    9. Texas A&M

    4. Ohio State
    13. Georgia

    5. Texas
    12. Kentucky

    3. Tennessee
    14. Texas Tech

    6. UCLA
    11. Louisville

    7. Stanford
    10. Florida

    2. Southern Cal
    15. Duke
     
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    And by the way, UGA and Texas Tech were flipped to avoid the all-SEC first round match.
     
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    Those look like some interesting matchups. Georgia-OSU is a rematch. Could have a UVa-Illinois rematch with different, better singles lineup for Illinois.

    UCLA will have a tough matchup with Louisville. Probably about 4-3 UCLA.

    Stanford gets an overrated Florida team. If they win, they get USC. A preview of who will win the Pac-10, as I think both are better than UCLA. Tennessee should await the winner in the semis.

    Duke-USC was the matchup that mikej wanted. Will be another interesting one to watch.

    Illinois-Texas A&M is hard to predict.
     
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    Yes, I know how to google, and he has no pro results.

    If he had turned pro, he would no longer be eligible. Brad Dancer saying he had turned pro is a nice cover. He seems to lose a lot of players, both transferring and dropping out. Guys "turning pro" whose college results do not come close to indicating that they should turn pro is not a report I would accept at face value.

    Illinois and Florida seem to have the biggest attrition problems in the NCAA. I believe that the ex-Florida players who are still college-aged could beat the current Florida team: Tyler Hochwalt, Jeff Dadamo, Carlos Cueto, Johnny Hamui, Joey Burkhardt would be a good top 5.
     
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    alas the time is here db and feddie, i'm so glad we could all hang out in the last quarter of the draw :) honestly i think this is the most interesting and up-for-grabs section of the draw anyway, but maybe that's just my bias

    i think stanford will probably get by florida considering illinois took them down, but you never know, stanford players have a history of getting injured and letting florida players wipe them off the court to be nice :)
     
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    My Stanford boys will easily handle Florida, illinois, georgia or duke or whatever gets in the way. We are going undefeated all the way thru the NCAA tournament. but your Imaginary StanDford boys in your lucid dream world may lose in the 1st round, however..
     
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    I would have rather seen an all SEC first round than a matchup between UGA and Ohio State that happened a week and a half ago....
     
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    Oh my,, I see Texas Tech is ripe for an Upset over Tennessee volunteers. TT is dangerous and powerful team.
     
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    What is Florida's problem? You'd think with their location and all the players would be banging on the door. Is there a problem with the coaching? Has Jackson lost his touch with the players? Maybe it's time for a coaching change in Gainesville.
     
  50. saigonbond

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    That Google thing is wonderful. Thanks for looking up his results (or lack there of). Nice made up theory you have about Coach Dancer. However, there's no reason not to take his word (especially over your conjecture). Anyhoo, I was quoting a news story... not making things up.

    College tennis has a bit of a loophole, in that one can "turn pro" at anytime because there's no draft. If he accepted no prize money and did not hire an agent his eligibility would still remain. "Turn pro" can simply mean playing pro level events, Futures, Satellites, Challengers, Qualies, etc. but doing it full time.

    Cheers
     

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