djoko and serbian tennis

Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by bjk, Apr 15, 2011.

  1. bjk

    bjk Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2007
    Messages:
    1,531
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...92.html?mod=WSJ_hp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsFifth

    Perrota asks why Serbia, with 3500 tennis players and about 440 courts, has better tennis players than the US, with 165000 juniors.

    I think the real answer is Ivanisevic. His career lasted from 89-2001, which would have been the youth of Djokovic et al. He was Croatian but it was all one country at the time. Same with Borg and then the next generation of Swedes.
     
    #1
  2. tenis1

    tenis1 Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2011
    Messages:
    848
    I don't think Ivanisevic had much influence over the tennis in Serbia. The country was already broken apart when he was making the most of success.
    Ivanisevic for sure had influence on good generation of Croatian players (Ancic, Ljubicic, Karlovic, Cilic, ...), but in Serbia not so much.

    I would say Monika Seles and her success had much more influence on Serbian tennis than Ivanisevic.
     
    Last edited: Apr 15, 2011
    #2
  3. dominikk1985

    dominikk1985 Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2011
    Messages:
    6,441
    I think based on population croatia is even stronger than serbia in tennis.

    Croatia is not even half as big and aside from novak they have a quite similar level.

    serbia has 3 top 100 players just like croatia. the difference is novak:D.


    But historically I would say croatia is better than serbia in tennis esp. considering population.
     
    #3
  4. tenis1

    tenis1 Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2011
    Messages:
    848
    Croatia had more solid players through history (Pilic, Franulovic, Majoli, Ivanisevic, ...), but Serbia has Seles and Djokovic. Quantity vs Quality.

    If you count slams Serbia has 8 (Seles - 9th was while she was playing for USA) + 2 Djokovic + 1 Ivanovic = 11.
    Croatia has 2 (Majoli and Ivanisevic).
    Not counting doubles for Serbia where Zimonjic has 6 and Zivojinovic 1 and Croatia might have some as well, not sure.
     
    #4
  5. dominikk1985

    dominikk1985 Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2011
    Messages:
    6,441
    I agree with that. Serbias top players where better but overall croatia had more good players.

    I think the credit for croatian tennis belongs mostly to pilic. he did very much for croatian tennis.
     
    #5
  6. tenis1

    tenis1 Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2011
    Messages:
    848
    I agree that Pilic had to do a lot with tennis sucess in Croatia. He also did a lot for Serbian tennis too (young Djokovic attending his academy in Germany, being advisory on the Serbian Davis Cup team, ...).
     
    #6
  7. Marius_Hancu

    Marius_Hancu G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2004
    Messages:
    17,852
    Location:
    Montreal, Canada
    you don't know enough history
    read about Pilic and Franulovic
     
    #7
  8. Pozarevacka

    Pozarevacka Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2011
    Messages:
    298
    Location:
    St. Michel, Monaco
    croatia is 4.5 million people, serbia is about 7 million.
     
    #8
  9. YodaKnowsBest

    YodaKnowsBest Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2010
    Messages:
    1,668
    Location:
    Strong Era aka Novak-Novak era
    I would prefer one goat over a couple of one slam wonders.
     
    #9
  10. dominikk1985

    dominikk1985 Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2011
    Messages:
    6,441
    totally unrelated post.

    however I would not. one great player shows nothing about your tennis system. any country could produce one federer or nadal , but countries with a lot of good players are rare.

    one great is rather coincidence than a sign of a great system.
     
    #10
  11. Dilettante

    Dilettante Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    May 13, 2005
    Messages:
    2,107
    Location:
    Katy Perry's belly button
    Quoted for truth.
     
    #11
  12. MaiDee

    MaiDee Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2009
    Messages:
    739
    Location:
    Sabai Land
    If it is about tennis generally, than there is Ana Ivanovic, and Jelena Jankovic too - on Serb side.
    For sure, Croatia and Serbia doesn't have any system or help from tennis asosiation. It is about people.
    Daniel Nestor, Andrea Petkovic, Milos Raonic, Bernard Tomic etc.
    Few years before Serbia was the best Europe country in collective sports (L'equip). Now it is Spain, but still not better than Serbia and Croatia together.
     
    #12
  13. Sentinel

    Sentinel Bionic Poster

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2008
    Messages:
    31,359
    Location:
    Far from suresh's "drying up pool of old farts"
    Well, there's Troicki too, the GOAT in waiting. And Tipsy who will reach his prime in 2014. That's 3 goats right there.:twisted: And how could I forget Marko and Djordje.
     
    #13
  14. Cup8489

    Cup8489 Legend

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2007
    Messages:
    9,284
    Location:
    Silvis, IL
    Djokovic is great, but Ivanisevic had some serious game. Slam count shouldn't be the only determining factor.. Ivanisevic was definitely dangerous.
     
    #14
  15. Gizo

    Gizo Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    May 15, 2007
    Messages:
    1,699
    It's amazing how strong these Balkan countries, Serbia, Croatia and Slovenia have been and currently are in a wide range of sports, despite their small populations.

    On a per capita basis, these are argubly the 3 strongest sporting nations in the world.
     
    #15
  16. kalic

    kalic Professional

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2006
    Messages:
    821
    Location:
    Clay, behind the baseline
    ...and that was one country (Yugoslavia) before 1990 !!!
     
    #16
  17. ALL IN

    ALL IN Rookie

    Joined:
    May 22, 2010
    Messages:
    348
    Very successful in the NBA as well
     
    #17
  18. Gizo

    Gizo Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    May 15, 2007
    Messages:
    1,699
    Yes Serbia have been strong in football, tennis, basketball, water polo, handball, volleyball and swimming.

    Croatia have done well in most of these sports apart from volleyball I think, plus have had success in canoening and winter sports.

    Slovenia have done well in most of these sports as well, especially for country with a population of just over 2 million people.

    Very impressive sporting achievements for all 3 countries.
     
    #18
  19. Manus Domini

    Manus Domini Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2010
    Messages:
    4,859
    Location:
    Jersey
    Tipsorovic looks like he's dancing in the pic of him lol

    [​IMG]
     
    #19

Share This Page