Djokovic 8 different Masters won now, only missing Cincinnati!

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  1. tennis_pro

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    Having lost 4 finals, all to inspired opponents (Federer twice, Murray twice), he's got to do it this year!
     
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    Yes! Rooting for Djokovic to get it done this season. Will be a unique accomplishment.
     
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  3. kalyan4fedever

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    Fed wont allow to walk him over if they meet :)
     
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    Unlike Ralph, Fed won't allow it. Cincy is his baby.
     
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    Ah yes, the real slam
     
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    More evidence of homogenisation? Novak winning on 90s grass vs Federer would anyone make Djokovic favourite?
     
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    Hope he does it. :)
     
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  8. Tenez101

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    He'll probably do it this year or next. It's surprising how he hasn't won it yet.
     
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    Because its only left moderate fast court and nole does not like fast courts
     
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    Cincinnati will be harder because TWO players can stop him, Federer and Murray.
     
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    Wow, what an age we live in. We've got Federer grabbing a record breaking 17 majors, 11 of them in a 4 year stretch, Nadal grabbing a record breaking 7 RG & 8 consecutive Monte Carlo's, Djokovic grabbing 8 of the 9 masters shields...


    And Murray grabbing every part of his body when he's losing :twisted:
     
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    LMAO hahahaha
     
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    LOL LOL LOL
     
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    LoL hahhaha this has got to be the funniest post of ttw :)
     
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    Federer, Murray, Delpo..all these guys can beat Djokovic there. Also interestingly Djokovic has reached 4 cincy finals ( 2 against fed and 2 against Murray) and has not won a SET! although he retired in the 2011 match after the first.
     
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    So far Cincy for Djoko seems to be like Miami for Nadal.

    A tourney with many finals but no wins.
     
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  17. monfed

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    Except Djokovic has had to play a far superior player at Cincy(Fed in case you were wondering) as opposed to Ralph whos had no such unsurmountable challenge at Miami.
     
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    It's even worse. He hasn't even won a set there yet, and has even been bagelled. Nadal has done much better in his Miami finals.
     
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    Which means Djokovic still can't qualify the GOAT since he still hasn't won the REAL slam. :)
     
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    Two times he played Fed. And the other two times when he played Murray? What happened then? Did Andy turn Swiss for Djoko.

    Nadal has lost in Miami finals to a peak Fed(2005), Davydenko(a notorius bad matchup for him) and peak Djokovic(2011).
     
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    Oy, oy, oy, wind yer neck in! At least he doesn't pick his backside unlike SOME people we could mention. :twisted::)
     
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    Djokovic has now come the closest to being the ONLY player to win all 9 Masters tournaments since the Masters series first began in 1990! Only Cincinnati now still eludes him (4 finals but no cigar).

    Nadal and Federer are still missing 2 each. Nadal is missing Miami (2 finals both lost) and Cincinnati (not even made a final yet). Federer is missing Monte Carlo (3 finals all lost) and Rome (2 finals both lost).

    *Edit (thanks to mattennis): Nadal is actually missing 3. I forgot to include Paris-Bercy (1 final lost).

    RG and Cincy are the only 2 big tournaments left on his 'Things I have yet to do' list. If he manages to cross them both off this year, he will have won every big tournament there is for a player to win on the tour. If he manages to secure another Wimbledon and US Open title to boot, he will have accomplished everything a player can accomplish.

    At the moment, I have to say he's looking good to do all this. Who else is in good enough form to stop him?
     
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  23. monfed

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    Ralph at Rome and RG. And Fed at Cincy.
     
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  24. mattennis

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    Nadal hasn't won Paris-Bercy (so he is missing 3 M-1000 )
     
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    Oops, you're right. Forgot about Bercy. He made 1 final there in 2007 but got bagelled in a straight-setter by goating Nalbandian who had also beaten him in Madrid. :oops:

    So:

    Djokovic missing just 1 (Cincinnati).
    Federer missing 2 (Monte Carlo and Rome).
    Nadal missing 3 (Miami, Cincinnati and Paris).
     
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  26. Mainad

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    But will they both be in good enough shape to do it, especially Fed?
     
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  27. Fedex

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    Eight different Masters! That is pretty amazing.
    Trouble with getting the ninth is fast hardcourt are Federer and Murray's favourite surface.
     
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    Another record for God Nole.
     
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    Since you forgot to mention your favorite player, let me do the honors. Djokovic has to worry about Murray also at Cincinnati. It's bit tough considering that he has two opponents there. It's more worrying since he never won even a set against them. May be Djokovic could turn around this time, who knows..
     
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    That's an easy answer. It would be Sir Murray , the World No 2 and a huge contender for Madrid, French Open and Wimbledon as well. Infact he is waiting to thrash Novak, Nadal and Federer at French and Wimbledon this year.

    He is the real deal.
     
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  31. Mainad

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    Gosh, that's not like me is it? According to some people on here, I never cease to mention him! ;)

    Of course you're right. Murray is nearly always a factor on hardcourts especially at a place like Cincinnati where he has beaten Djokovic in 2 finals! I was just trying to emphasise that potential opponents all need to be in top form to handle what looks like the re-emergence of Djoko 2.0. and none of the other top 3 players seem to me to be firing on all cylinders yet this season, especially Murray and Fed.
     
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    Wow...that's good to hear! :)

    Thanks for reminding me. Mind you, apparently not everyone seems as convinced about that as us two! ;)
     
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  33. Sorana fan

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    Nadal hasnt won Shanghai
     
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  34. mattennis

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    He won Madrid-indoor-hard ( in 2005 ) which is "the same" (the 8th M-1000 of the year, first one after US OPEN).
     
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    Djokovic will win cincinnati, no doubt
     
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  37. Hitman

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    The actual tournament is the same. But the Masters events are more determined by the slot they have in the calender. Masters events are not like Slams, tournaments can gain or lose Masters series status.

    Take for instance Hamburg. Now Rafa has won that, so technically he has won at seven different locations. But, still has won at 6 of the 9 slots. It can sound a bit weird, but that is normally how it is described.

    So, Djokovic has won at 8 different slots in the Masters Series calender, with the final slot which is occupied by Cincinnati remaining for the Masters Series slots sweep.

    Fed hasn't won Shanghai either, but he owns a win in that slot. So hence, he has seven.
     
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  38. Feather

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    It's not weird actually.

    Madrid indoor was in the eight slot. When Hamburg lost its M1000 status, it was degraded to 500, Madrid replaced that slot as a clay major. Shanghai replaced Madrid indoor as the eight slot.

    It's the prefect system. It's about nine slots. Since there were lots of changes in the venues, only slots work.
     
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    Correct. It is about the slots. This is another characteristic that makes them different from the slams. In the slams, you have to win the four established events to get the sweep. In Masters, its not strictly the events, but the slots on the calender that you must win...making them unique in their own way.
     
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  40. Sorana fan

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    I see. Then wikipedia is wrong, because in the next sequence
    Stockholm (1990-1994) -> Essen (1995) -> Stuttgart (1996-2001) -> Madrid-indoor (2002-2008 ) ......should Shanghai(2009-now) to be the next instead of Madrid-clay

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrid_Open_(tennis)
     
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    I know it seems a bit misleading but the Wikipedia article is specifically about Madrid and its history as a tournament. Thus it includes the tournaments that preceded it which, until 2009, were all the 8th placed Masters tournaments.
    In 2009, Madrid transferred from hardcourt to clay and moved into Hamburg's old 5th place in the Masters calendar. Shanghai then took over as the new 8th placed Masters event (the ATP wanted to compensate it for losing the WTF to London that same year). But the article is only concerned with Madrid and its history and who came before it and what it is doing now.
     
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    Need Novak to win Cinci this year.

    Guy deserves it.
     
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    Let wait for the FO first :).....Give Federer his Cincy exhibition.
     
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    Neither has Fed but they've both won Madrid indoor which was the 1st fall master before Shanghai which started only in 2009. I also find it very confusing that some sites give the Madrid results as a block even though the clay venue has nothing to do with the former indoor one other than being in the same city .
     
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    SO, if we considered "slots" instead of "venues" (and I personnaly think we should considered "slots") Federer also has 8 out of 9 wins.

    Here are his first title for each slots:
    Slot #1 : Indian Wells - 2004
    Slot #2 : Miami - 2005
    Slot #3 : none (Monte Carlo slot)
    Slot #4 : Madrid (clay) - 2012
    Slot #5 : Hamburg - 2002
    Slot #6 : Toronto - 2004
    Slot #7 : Cincinnati - 2005
    Slot #8 : Madrid (hard) - 2006
    Slot #9 : Paris - 2011

    But if we considered "venues", he misses 4 since he played them in 1999 :
    Monte Carlo / Rome / Stuttgart / Shanghai.

    But then, shouldn't we considered the venues Djokovic missed too while he played them since 2005 ? :
    Hamburg / Cincinnati / Madrid (hard)
     
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    Winning Cincy will be harder. Murray and Federer can beat him there.
     
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    raph, what on earth are you talking about? Slots???? Fed has 7 masters. He's never won M-C or Rome. Clay Madrid is a replacement for Hamburg, nothing to do with M-C.
     
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    i was about to say you had missed Rome which fed never won but then i saw that you were kind of right because Rome is now in the slot once held by Madrid and Hamburg which he did win and he's also win Madrid in the 4th slot.

    So technically he has won in 8 slots.

    This is all rather complicated Haha.
     
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    Federer will never win Monte Carlo...unless Djokovic beats Nadal in a SF and Federer is redlighting in the final.
     
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    The thing is djokovic never won Madrid on hard or Hamburg, fed and Nadal have never won shanghai but they won the Madrid hard when it was in the same slot. so then people were saying just count the slots since the events have changed to New ones. so Indian wells is the 1st master etc.

    What he's saying is since Madrid clay switched places with Rome which is now the 5th master instead of the 4th, fedrrer has won the 4th when it was Hamburg and Madrid 2009 but last year it was the 5th masters. so technically he's won in 8 slots. Only a technicality but there's no real way to be fair. but djokovic has 8 of 9 current masters, though fed and Nadal could both amass wins at 11 different masters by winning the ones they don't have of current masters. djokovic can only get 9 at the moment.
     
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