Djokovic & Adidas

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    No, it has been proven by some here in this forum, that even though he is the #1 player in the world, he accepts no money from Adidas, he just likes to wear them for free, and evidently he also likes it when they take his picture and put it next to their logo.
     
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    That's not true.

    They also give him 2 free t-shirts as well. :lol:
     
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    He'd be #1 in cb 4.3s :)
     
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    He is still number 1 ;)....Look how he slides with his barricade's:)
     
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    If they are, they have not updated him on the colorway in 8 months.
    Not sure what is he promoting for them if the colors changed 10 times Since then...
     
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    We all thought the same thing when Federer wore two seasons old shoes which didn't remotely match the retail model he was being promoted as wearing.

    I guess, like Djokovic, Federer works for free t-shirts and shoes.:lol:
     
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    Show me that please where federer wore old COLOR Scheme shoes...
    What is under the PJ is totally irrelevant to 99.5% of potential customers......
     
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    lol, Nice one Bobby! :)
     
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    So the details fit when you want them to, but not when they don't fit your example?

    No surprises there.

    I recall when he was wearing a non-current model that was part of your reasoning that he couldn't be endorsing Adidas, despite Federer having done the same on many occasions... but now that Djokovic IS wearing a current model your reasoning seems to have morphed to he's not wearing the current colour version?

    Can players ever wear the current model in a colour variant that is unavailable to the public? Yes or no?
     
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    I am not sure you understand my point..
    Federer has worn the latest PJ of whatever shoe with every colorway cycle.
    Novak first had B6 way into B7 release and now is wearing the colorway that was released 8 months ago.
    What is he selling for Adidas, assuming they dumped a load of $$$ on him? Why isn't he playing with the Microgel PJ of his racket -- because the latest PJ sells the rackets. Same with the shoes, the latest PJ is what every sponsored pro has. Novak has been and still is wearing whatever he wants from Adidas. Not the latest PJ, not the latest model if he desires, switches between models (depending on the surface), and so on...
    On top of it all, still, Adidas does not show his face on their page and he does not mention Adidas on his own official page...
    Great marketing on Adidas part...

    To the highlighted part -- when did Federer wear the non-current model to a non-TT member -- meaning -- 99.5 people do not realize small differences between Fed actual shoe and the retail, or for example Murray shoe...
     
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    Of course they can.
    Can a sponsored player wear the last year's shoe, or shirt -- no.
    Can a sponsored player wear in December the retail shoe released in May -- most likely not as they are paid to promote new "styles" and sell more, not to promote the brand (only)
     
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    Federer and his wearing of the V6 a couple of years after they stopped selling them says otherwise. They were miles different shoes - visually and technically - and often had barely were a token effort in terms of mimicking the retail shoe.

    Well... they do. Bedych recently in fact. Here he is wearing a long-since unavailable colour variant of the V9 at Bercy in November. This gap is larger than your May-Dec gap.. it's Jan/Feb to Nov. And he's Nike's 4th, soon to be 3rd, highest profile male player.
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    Uhm, he is wearing the stripes for them, which is what he's promoting, not the latest model, this seems to be the marketing strategy when it comes to Djoker and his gear, it's been that way for a while now, shared by multiple brands. Or he just likes to share his image on tv and print for free.
     
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    I don't t is "for free" as he gets their equipment free of charge.
    He does not get money from Adidas to do it, though.
    Or, not even close to, lets say, Tsonga or Verdasco...

    In any case, this is the battle of opinions, no facts at all.
    IMO, there is no way that the world #1, sponsored by Adidas, would either wear last year's model shoes (B6 vs B5) in totally outdated colors, or even the current model with 8-month old colors -- consistently.

    To JUNIOR's comments, and he knows they are total BS:
    1) Federer has been wearing non-standard CURRENT PJ shoes for a long time -- it is some kind of mix or old sole and different top, etc. However, masked/painted to look current to 99.5% of population. A completely normal marketing approach that is done with the rackets and in many other industries.
    2) Berdych has switched his shoes, for whatever reason, for a single tournament (or maybe two), not consistently.
    3) Novak has worn the old B6 straight for many tournaments after B7 came out and continues to wear the white with black stripes that has been "discontinued" long time ago. No other color, no other model, only this. Obviously his own choice and has nothing to do with Adidas direct marketing.

    My opinion is that his ST/UNIQLO contracts do not allow him to be sponsored by Adidas, therefore, he is not promoting them on his web page and vice versa. However, since they have no shoe to offer, he is allowed to wear any shoe he wants -- Addias gives him free of charge and he "promotes" them for free... In the end, the contract he has with UNIQLO is probably worth more than what Adidas could/would offer.

    Just my theory...
     
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    DR stop it, that's too much common sense in one post for most to be able to handle here.
     
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    Common sense tells me that the #1 player in the world would be getting paid to wear whatever shoes he wants, as well as getting paid to have his picture next to their logo. Stupidity tells me that he would be doing this for free, as well as having his picture next to their logo.
     
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    Do you think EVERY celebrity gets paid by whatever shoe company they wear. I am sure that Justin B-whatever kid is actually MUCH better promoter than any tennis player for any shoe company....

    I didn't think so.
    Him being a #1 in tennis and dressed in competitors clothes means little to Adidas.
    Just like it did with Murray a few years ago before he joined Adidas and switched between Adidas and Nike as he wanted...
    And, he was #4 in the world, more marketable than the current #1...
     
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    I enjoy this, challenging both of them to show me a single proof or lead other than he is a #1 therefore must be sponsored. With all the other sports Adidas is making much more than with the barricades....or tennis...

    I just wanted what the two smarties do for living.
     
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    Oh, I just realized that Berdych is done with the Nike so, this was another useless post of Junior's...
     
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    The proof is in the pudding if you chose to open your eyes.

    Time and time again you say the same thing in a different manner, no matter what new example or situation arises to show otherwise - Tomas Berdych above for example.

    You approach every new ripple in this ongoing discussion as if it's some person affront to your self-professed expertise on Djokovic. You may know someone who knows someone who knows someone from backwater Europe - I actually have no doubt you do - but it means nothing in terms of what is the most probable scenario for one of the most high profile sportspeople on the planet by way of endorsement.

    We've been through dozens of iterations of examples to show your analogies are not quite as clear cut or definitive as you suggest and you come back every time with the same old "it's not on his website", "Adidas don't have him on his website" and, the newer slant, "he's not wearing the current model/colour-way". These are simply not definitive arguments - not even close - and suggesting they are is folly.

    You ask for proof he was sponsored by Adidas - well let's look at it another way. Why don't you prove why he isn't? You can't, so stop transferring your daytime middle-management hand-nose sales attitude to an area as if you're an expert in sponsorship of sporting goods.

    We've been through nonsense time and time again with you calling me Junior and trying to browbeat me into saying what I do and I haven't for one good reason - because it's way more fun to see you come back again and again like a red bull to a rag as if you're mr know-it-all on everything related to Djokoivc.
     
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    Doktore, ne zahebavaj klince, mislim da Novak ima neku vrstu "deala" sa Adidasom, vidis da i van terena nosi iskljucivo njihove patike, verujem da dobija i neku kintu od njih.
     
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    Is he leaving Nike?

    So... your assertion is that when players are done with a brand they give up with putting any effort in near the end? Fair enough. A pretty convenient twist for you.

    On your comment about Justin Bieber and him promoting whatever - Do you recall in Agassi's book when he talks about wearing a pair of Oakleys. And the publicity value was such that he returned home one day to find a car being delivered as a gift from them? And that was in, what, 1991?? It seems even quite random associations can have significant value for some brands.
     
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    We're not talking about EVERY celebrity, we're talking about the #1 ranked tennis player in the world, and again, common sense tells anyone that since probably some time in the 70's, the #1 ranked player in the world has had a shoe deal. Even if your silly theory was true, that with ST he couldn't be paid to wear a shoe, which is absurd to even type, but let's visit fantasyland for a minute, since that deal was signed, Djoker has become the #1 player, has won multiple slams, and would now certainly not be allowed to sign a new deal, with a different company, under the same ridiculous terms, that limit him from being paid by Adidas to wear their shoes and use his picture in print ads, instead he'd just continue to do it for free, BAHAHAHAHA!!!, sorry I cracked myself up there, you're right, I don't think he gets paid by Adidas, I mean, they care enough to pay players like Florian Mayer, Gilles Simon, Marcos Bagdhatis, but who cares about that Djokovic guy, he'll do it for free, good theory.
     
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    wow., your proof is great, made me a believer now...
    You have no idea what you're talking about...
    Before cracking yourself up more, explain me the #4, much greater potential, much more marketable guy, Murray, a few years ago?! Why did they pass on him, then?
     
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    ma sto da ne, kad su paljevine...
    Mozda ima neku sicu od deala, ali daleko od onoga sto na primer Murray, Rafa i Fed imaju...
     
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    Bobby,

    I am in Marketing for the most profitable BU of a multi-billion company,so, I know a little bit about the Marketing stuff...
    How about you, you are still hiding it. Why?
    I never claimed I knew everything about Djokovic, far from it, however, I can certainly claim I know more about him than you do...
     
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    Exactly....

    Kei Nishikori... proof that another Uniqlo sponsored player likes to wear Adidas shoes for free or another example of a highly likely shoe endorsement dead from a company which, to my knowledge, doesn't make performance sports shoes so would seem odd if any clothing deal precluded a shoe deal elsewhere - even if it was on a "wearing only" basis.
     
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    You work for Texas Instruments. Big deal. Tell me how this relates to sporting goods marketing?

    Already explained why. Because it's more fun this way. It allows people with browbeating approaches to forming a persuasive viewpoint to run free.

    You have, but in not so many words, on many occasions.

    So far as Djokovic I have no doubt you know more about him than me. In terms of sports marketing you've shown a pretty elementary view of how things could, should or do work - one which has kept me amused on a few occasions.

    What would I know though, I've only worked in global-brand advertising/marketing strategy for 20 years?
     
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    So I'm supposed to believe that after being dumped by Adidas for Murray, Djoker continues to wear their product for free, and allows them to use his image in print ads, for free, no money, zip, zilch, nada, good one, and you said you work in marketing, funny. The proof is everywhere, in print ads, on websites stating such, most importantly on his feet winning slams, not sure what more you need, perhaps a video of Djoker at Adidas signing a contract and then cashing a check, BAHAHAHA, sorry, did it again, anyway you stick to your theory, marketing guy, wannabe doctor, whatever, seems obvious who knows what they're talking about.
     
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    Your little wannabe funny Comments make your arguments look so stupid, you have no idea. "wannabe doctor" - where did this come from, smart guy? I assume seeing "Dr" in my nick, which is my name initials lead your little brain to that conclusion, right?
    I'd suggest you stay out of this discussion since you don't have what it takes to participate...
    Btw, Djokovic dumped Adidas, not the other way around
     
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    Bobby,

    I am not sure I believe.your last comment since you mentioned once that you were in your 30s. You either lied about your age, your experience or you believe you are THAT good. Reading your comments on this board, I assume it is the last one which is lying to yourself and to others...

    Btw, still waiting on your 20-yr experienced explanation what happened to the world's #4 before signing up with Adidas? Was his contract so flexible to allow him to wear Niles at some slams as he wanted?
     
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    Give it a rest drop-kick. Worked in agency while studying, worked for years, studied again while working in another agency.... just shy of 20. Close enough for most people I imagine.

    You are such an unmitigated blow-hard on this topic it's beyond funny man - especially when you post pretty reasonably elsewhere on the forum. Typical of someone who is so cocksure of themselves always banging on about how experienced they are, how big the company they work for is, how bla bla bla. No-one cares and it makes no difference to your desperate desire to be some paternal overseer on all things related to Djokovic.

    As I said earlier, the reason why I hadn't put what I did - and I haven't yet in any detail (nor have you - but I know you've got a background in sales by the way you approach every situation) - is I don't give two hoots what you think of me. For all I know you dress up as a ninja or wear Djokovic pyjamas to get your jollies. It. Means. Nothing. To. Me.... other than having a good laugh every time you espouse your musings on something which for a fact you cannot be certain about. The entire topic is merely people comparing their views, related examples and experiences to work out what is/maybe going on. The fact you are so completely sure of your position when it barely makes commercial sense, and despite the elementary level example you've used (re: lack of website mentions etc) which you've repeated ad nauseum in attempts to bolster your view is pretty hilarious. You literally wont concede a single point on the topic and yet think your own broad strokes analogies cannot be faulted.

    I, and Jokinla, have posited many reasonable examples and anecdotes related to sponsorship - some of which will be wrong and some which will be right and others in-between, but you simply wont accept any of them.

    I'd like to say this is the last I have to say in this thread, but it probably wont be. :p
     
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    First thing its wikipedia, Wikipedia is not god ( Students knows this lol...
    Second check the list there is Paul-Henri Mathieu Sponsored by adidas.

    Hope you get what i mean ;)
     
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    Wow!
    Jr, all this wasted.to make you feel better about yourself and not a single reasonable fact.
    1) I mentioned not once but at least 5 times that this is PURELY my opinion and there are no facts on either side. Your egoistic, little brain translated this as I claim it as facts
    2) you and your brother-poster kid gave absolutely no resonable examples, only usual (republican-like) crap - it is there because I say so..
    3) Murray????? Still did not give me a clear picture what hapened there to the world #4 just short few years ago???

    Now, don't get too emotional about this stupid thread, kid. No need to bang on your keyboard early Saturday morning speculating what kind of pajamas I wear.
    Life is much more than doing one thing for 20 years. You should experience some other things ;)
     
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    lol, lol, lol.

    Bobby Jr is one of my favorite posters here and very reasonable to all his opinions.

    Bobby you're very patient with this guy, you're trying to make gold out of sand.

    Everybody knows and is reasonable to think He gets sponsorship money from Adidas, He would not wear Adidas shoes for free!! specially considering how many problems with the shoes He has had this year, slipping frequently on clay courts {Madrid(yeah almost everybody did), RG} and many other places where He looked uncomfortable and irritated with his footing partly or all related to the shoes. Why would he wear those shoes for free?? Just to get them because He can't get shoes for free from some other company? Laughable at this point.

    Anyway if he didn't understand by now it looks like he won't get it no matter what.
     
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    Evidently I struck a nerve, :cry:. I have common sense, the ability to understand basic advertisement policy, and this is all I need to know that Adidas pays Djoker, simple really.
     
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    BTW, in trying to understand WTF you were trying to ask here, I understood that Adidas dumped Djoker.
     
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    The debate is over Djoker, and wiki specifies shoes only, so it's been updated since he stopped wearing the clothes, I highly doubt anyone cares what PHM is wearing, which is why he is still listed, if the discussion was over him wearing stuff for free, I'd believe it.
     
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    Guess we're in the same business although it's a big field.
    I own an advertising company.
    Which companies were you with and what did you do?
     
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    You, sir, are simply hilarious. You calling others egotistical shows an astonishing lack of self-awareness. I hope this continues as it is highly amusing, even if otherwise pointless.

    Calling people kid... as you've done many times before is also laughable. It's a sort of ham-fisted attempt at an insult but doesn't come off. Maybe it's a European language crossover thing letting you down or some hick middle-America thing you picked up - either way it's neither here nor there in terms of results. The intent is noted though as (yet) another demonstration of the sort of person you are to deal with.

    Nothing I posted was done to make me feel better about myself - it's to see how you fly off the handle when people don't agree with you.
     
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    Maybe it is that I am 10 years older and more experienced (in life) than you, or maybe that has nothing to do with the Euro language crossover or whatever you call it. Stop "Maybe this or that" guessing as I already pointed out to you -- you are a bad guesser and you do not "read" people well -- makes you sound like a fool...

    Stick to what you're good at -- throwing many words put together that in the end -- could be said in 1/5 th ot the length...

    You are a kid for me that believes that a few years (certainly NOT 20) of something makes him an expert...

    You are guessing in this thread as much as I am -- you may be right, or you may not be right...

    However, you still did not explain the Murray markething scheme from Adidas...

    PS: Also, Junior, calling me a "Sir"... How do you know I am not a Ma'am?

    Oh, to your last point -- where do you see me "fly off the handle..." Do you really believe I got ticked off by your crap? Use google translate and see above what it's all about;)
     
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    I doubt you're a decade older than I. You're just just old before your time - one of those people who just can't help themselves but to assume a dominant, paternal, know-it-all position in discussions in the misguided thinking it somehow makes you an automatic expert on anything you care to open you mouth about.
    Your know-it-all attitude knows no bounds. I am and have done everything I say I have. Your ongoing snide attempts at painting yourself as the person in the discussion with the only experience worthy of merit on the topic is laughable. Unless you say otherwise, from what I gather from your career related posts previously, you have no experience in consumer goods marketing. You are a sales rep who worked his way up the ladder. You happen to play and have an interest in tennis - it doesn't make you the expert on sponsorship, brand associations or marketing influence that you, in effect, claim to be.
    Horses for courses. They appear to have taken a punt on the wrong horse so far as results and the associated publicity that goes with it since Murray joined and Djokovic left their roster. That said, their investment in Murray is finally paying off.
    Because your name is Dan. Regardless, the phrase "You, Sir, are...." is not literal - it's a figure of speech. I'm guessing you knew this already and thought you were being smart. You seem to regularly mistake being smart with being smarmy.

    Keep it up. The more of your Sunday you spend replying here the better imo.
     
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    Bobby Jr and dr3251.
    This has now turned into a personal slagging match so no more constructive conversation to be had.
    I would suggest you swap emails or telephone numbers and carry on this argument there.
    You might actually find you like one another in conversation or personal email where it's harder to throw personal insults and you're not hidden behind a computer keyboard.
    Bobby Jr you wrote that you worked in global branding. I'm curious to know what your experience was?
    I own an outdoor billboard advertising company specialising mainly in the entertainments, events, arts, culture and fashion sector.
    Most of my clients are local government, public notice, universities, festivals, theatre, venues and promoters, and we also run campaigns for Nike, Schuh, T in the Park and other major festivals, and major record company acts such as Oasis, Coldplay, Biffy Clyro, Snow Patrol, Emily Sandie etc.
    Were you involved in the actual artistic design of the global brands and/or the marketing?
     
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    Not a bad suggestion.
     
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    You know the funny thing is if we ever had a TW party and met one another personally I bet we'd mostly get on like a house on fire, have lots of interesting conversations and pass on our knowledge, stories and experience over a few drinks with posters we thought we couldn't stand.
    Put us on a forum, however, and it's world war 3.
     
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    And to think, only last year I was in Dundee for a couple of days. What could have been.
     
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    Ha ha. Send me an email next time. I've never seen what a TW creature looks like. I was meant to hook up with Batz who lives only half an hour away but life is so busy. Cheers.
     
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    It was a 15,000km trip as it was. Probably wont be back anytime soon, but you never know.
     
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