Djokovic fans should be legitimately scared

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  1. Tenez101

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    RG will probably determine who is YE no. 1 between these two.
     
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    I don't think so. Wimbledon will.
     
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    Ahhhhhhhhhhhh, Fernando Verdasco ?
     
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    Not after the tame Fed effort yesterday. They will want a Rafa Djokovic final, and rightly so. I'd be amazed if they are in the same side of the draw.
     
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    Dude is saving himself for the big one. Tuneups like Madrid and Rome are nothing. RG is what matters.
     
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    He should take another slam but dont see him winning Cincy yet
     
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    I don't think best of 3 tournaments are any indication of Djokovic's form for a forthcoming best of 5 tournament. So Djokovic loses in 3 sets to Dimitrov and Berdych? At Roland Garros he'd have another set to draw level.

    At last year's Roland Garros he was 2-0 down against Seppi, then went 2-1 down against Tsonga. Never mind his 4th set match point heroics, if that was Madrid or Rome he'd be out already.
     
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    Why not? He may never beat Fed in Cincy but if there was a different finalist, I think he very easily could.
     
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    That's assuming there is human intervention in the draw (if that's the case, they would want to avoid a Fedal final at all costs, it would just turn into a booing festival, worse than 2008). But if the draw is truly random, nothing they can do about where Rafa falls.
     
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  10. veroniquem

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    Or USO. Imagine if Djoko won AO, Nadal won RG and Murray or someone else won W, the race for #1 could be tight.
     
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  11. Towser83

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    Murray could be a bigger problem than Fed, tbh
     
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    Maybe. Maybe not. Djoko can beat Murray on any given day. Murray has never been as dominant as Fed in Cincy. Don't forget that last time they met in a Cincy final, Djoko retired with injury. We don't know what would have happened if they had played out the match.
     
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    I love Djokovic beating Murray and get pretty annoyed when Murray beats him but I have to be fair, Murray was owning Djokovic in that final and Djokovic retiring just robbed Murray of a clean win which he would have got anyway.

    I agree Djokovic can beat Murray anywhere but he seems at a disadvantage at Cinci. Also I just think that if Djokovic does have the edge vs Murray it could be an even bigger edge vs Federer if Roger doesn't seriously improve his game, as right now I would pick Murray over him at any event.
     
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    Maybe. The one Cincy encounter between Djoko and Murray before that went to 2 TBs and the 1st set of the 2011 encounter was 6-4. That's tight enough that I could see Novak getting a win at some point.
     
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    yeah true, I think he can definitely do it, I just feel like unless Fed improves his form he will be no threat to Djokovic at Cinci or anywhere where as Murray can have a 50% chance at some events.
     
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    Fed fans don't need to mourn they are already to satisfied with what he has already accomplished.
     
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    I think Djokovic may have struggled a bit with his motivation between Oz and Monte Carlo. I think he was highly motivated to win Monte Carlo for a few reasons (he lives there and its one of the Masters he hadn't previously won). I don't think he cared about Madrid and he simply got upset in Rome (although I also believe he's not going 100% trying to protect the ankle). It's all about Roland Garros for him - I think that is/was his #1 goal for 2013. To complete his career slam.

    He'll be ready for Roland Garros. I think it is easy to put too much stock into the other tournaments. For starters, had he and Berdych been playing at the French Open, Berdych would have still needed to win a third set. My money would have still been on Djokovic. I still see the French Open as a two horse race that will be decided by the winner of the Djokovic/Nadal showdown, whether it happens in the finals or earlier.
     
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    Yes. Djokovic entered his Down Cycle in September of last year. This period is expected to last, roughly, for two and a half years. Time will tell how it plays out for me.

    Looking back at history, it was during this period in Steffi Graf's career when Monica dominated & Wimbledon was the only slam she won.

    It was also during this period in Venus Williams's career when, first, Serena owned her. Then Lindsay Davenport - a player she'd overcome - regained the upper hand and was defeating her on every surface, even coming from behind to win. And generally when Venus was just #$*&ing up the place.

    More recently, Rafael Nadal is there now - to end around September/USO. Nadal's Cycle ran from April 2011 - September 2013. Don't think I need to go into detail who that has played out...starting at Indian Wells 2011.
     
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  19. Clarky21

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    Huh?

    10whatareyoutalkingabouts
     
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    Yeah, just like the last 2 years. When he rolled into RG with more momentum.
     
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  21. veroniquem

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    He did :confused:
    During that "down cycle", he won Shanghai master, WTF (without losing a match) and AO. That's the kind of "down" period any player would sign for :???:
     
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    Astrology? Who is winning RG?:twisted:
     
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  23. Bertie B

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    You expect me to pour my energy and effort to getting the answers, then cough 'em up for you just so I can disprove your whim. In your dreams!!!

    It is what it is, take it or leave it.
     
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  24. Bertie B

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    Okay guys, I have the dates.

    Based off birth data in my little black book here are the "Down Cycles" of the BIG THREE. Andy Murray is nearing his BIG splash, if he isn't there already.

    Roger Federer's DC ran from September 2009 - April 2012. Wow!! Being a Nadal fan I don't follow his chart. With this revelation his losing from match points up to Djokovic @ the USO in 2010 & 2011 makes so much sense. He was in his down cycle.

    Rafael Nadal's is still in his. His cycle will run from April 2011 - September 2013. Same as Federer; a onetime pigeon suddenly becomes a frustrating enigma. Curious.

    Novak Djokovic for sure is a sorcerer. I mean, his DC just started. Ooops, earlier I stated Novak's down cycle began in September of last year, turns out it was further back, in July. Officially, Novak Djokovic's DC will run from July 2012 - September 2014.

    Down Cycles

    RF: 09.2009 - 04.2012
    RN: 04.2011 - 09.2013
    ND: 07.2012 - 09-2014

    Unlike Djokovic who had the benefit of both Fed & Nadal handcuffed (spiritually), Andy Murry he may have a tougher road.
     
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    No offense, but who believes in this "crap?"
     
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    Not me. Cvac is supposed to be in his "down cycle" since last July but since then he has won, Toronto, Shanghai, WTF, AO, Dubai, MC, and is certainly going to win RG and the USO this year. I'm also sure he will win the summer hardcourt masters as well. His "down cycle" must be pretty mild. Lol.
     
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  28. ledwix

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    How can you say certainly when Nadal just won 5 clay court events to Djokovic's 1? Nadal, even playing below average, seems to find a way to get by anyone on clay...Djokovic might have a tough time winning 3 sets out of 5 against him.
     
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    Because Cvac owns Nadal's a** and has since 2011. I have zero faith that Nadal will beat Cvac anywhere including on clay at RG. If they meet at RG, Nadal will lose.
     
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    I want Djokovic to win RG, but this is not true. Djokovic doesn't own Nadal's famous behind to the extent that you are saying. Nadal has fought gallantly against Djokovic and many matches have been absolute wars. Plus, Nadal is a legend at RG, dethroning him is a monumental task, even for a player who has designed the perfect game to do it. Nadal isn't going down without a fight. Yes, Novak is his greatest obstacle, but since they are 3-3 since 2011, and it is on Rafa's fav surface, it can just come down to who wants it more, and it could simply become a war of attrition.
     
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  31. T-Noone

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    An appropriate bump of a thread I started. Because again, moreso than before, I'm afraid of Djokovic's number 1 ranking. He doesn't have that spark in him anymore, I think he needs to drop to 2 again and have an end of the year like last year. He does his best when his back is against the wall...but with Nadal and Murray in top form, will it be enough?
     
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  32. bullfan

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    Usual crap by the "bitter Nadal fan" that can't take him winning over Novak or anyone else.

    No one cares what crap prognostications you have regarding Nadal and Novak. It's a lame joke that is so played out. The attention seeking ways are shown for the true colors that they are!
     
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