Djokovic, Henin, etc -- Some observations from Indian Wells -- March 9 & 10

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  1. scotus

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    Novak Djokovic
    • Todd Martin continues to work on his serve.
    • Martin had Djokovic kneel on the ground at the baseline to practice his new service motion. Djokovic obliged but he seemed thoroughly embarrassed in front of a large crowd.

    Justine Henin
    • Continues to change her service motion. She has gone from platform stance to pinpoint stance now.
    • She continues to go all out on her service returns. She did that incredibly well in the first round.

    Jelena Dokic
    • Her relationship with her father must have taken its toll on her. Absolutely no motivation. This is a completely different Dokic than the one who made it to the semis of the Australian Open in 2009.
    • Poor girl, she really let herself go. Cottage cheese does not lie.
    • Eliminated in the first round.

    Melanie Oudin
    • I never knew she had such an incredible hand at the net. She had finesse, touch, and quick reflexes. She still needs to learn how to stick the volley though.

    Victoria Azarenka
    • Her target practice was impressive. Hits really hard, and her shrieks were not as loud in person. Perhaps the court mics pick up more noise for TV audience?
     
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    Wow, thanks for the observations. Really interested to see how Henin's aggressive play holds up over the year, and if Djokovic can fix the serve.
     
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    • Todd Martin needs to stop bothering Novak and go reminisce about the 90's with Pete. :mad:
     
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  4. FlamEnemY

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    ^^ He did some good things for his net game.
     
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    Ï wanna know bout Kolya!!!!! :(
     
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  6. Moose Malloy

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    Well Seles was pretty quiet in practice as well. As is Sharapova. I think we all know why they are louder in matches.
     
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    Dokic was so thin just a few months ago. Really?
     
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    She did not look fat, if that's what you're asking.

    But when she moves, you can see the cottage cheese jiggle.

    Let's just say it's not easy on the eye.
     
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    I agree with you partially.

    But when I attended Sharapova's match last year in Carson, CA, I felt the same way. She was not as loud as she was through TV broadcast.
     
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    i wanna see justine's new serve!
     
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    What do you think she is gaining from this?
     
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    Please tell us more about Dokic

    Was she hitting many UE? Or didn't she care about running to the balls, who was with her?

    Thanks.:cry:
     
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  13. scotus

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    Yes, a lot of UE. Not much pace on her shots, either.

    And bad body language.

    I did not really look for her entourage. I assume it would be her coach and boyfriend, I don't know.

    She lost ~0-6, 2-6 to a relatively unknown opponent.
     
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    Although I did not ask Carlos Rodriguez when I had the chance, I think it accomplishes two things:

    1. Help her get to the net a bit quicker. (Remember Justine's major goal is winning Wimbledon)

    2. Reduce the chance of serving into the net a bit.
     
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  15. scotus

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    To illustrate:
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    To illustrate:
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    Your wish is granted!
     
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    Justine is crazy to keep changing her serve. Her old serve in 2007 was good enough. She was never going to have a serve like Serena. Since she has come back her serve has been garbage. It probably cost her the 2010 Australian Open final, and it has caused her to struggle in many of her matches. The more she keeps trying to change it from her old motion the worse it gets. I dont know what thinks she is going to achieve.
     
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    Well, I can't blame her for wanting to improve.

    I think the pinpoint stance will allow her to get under the serve and hit up a bit more. Let's see if it would help her clear the net more.
     
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    Great thread. A breath of fresh air.
     
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  20. scotus

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    Here's a pic of Melanie Oudin playing doubles.

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    Victoria Azarenka in practice. This gal hits hard.

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  22. scotus

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    Ana Ivanovic practicing with Kirilenko:

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  23. FlamEnemY

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    I'm bothered by Djokovic's serve. Really hope Martin knows what he's doing.
     
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  24. scotus

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    Martin himself has a very accurate, powerful serve, though awkward-looking.
     
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  25. scotus

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    Here's Ivanovic's practice partner for the day:

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  26. FlamEnemY

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    That might very well be true, but there's no guarantee that the same can work for Djokovic.
     
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    You are absolutely right.

    But at least Martin isn't forcing his own awkward form on Djokovic.

    Have you seen Martin serve? He raises his racquet arm before tossing the ball.
     
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    An observation:

    Recently, Stella McCartney replaced Maria Kirilenko as the "face" for her tennis outfits with none other than Caroline Wozniacki.

    I wonder if it was uncomfortable for one, both, or either when they faced off.

    This was a tournament of upsets from the beginning. Every now and then we get one that doesn't follow form. It was refreshing for the ATP to not be so predictable.

    Congrats to JJ, Ljubicic, Peschke & can't remember her partner's name, and Rafa and Lopez.
     
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  29. tenis

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    Djokovic should keep his old serve, no question.
     
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  30. norbac

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    Wow, thanks for the report, Scotus.
     
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    They've met 3 times since the switch happened, and they're good friends, so it probably wasn't that uncomfortable. :?

    And the switch didn't happen that recently, it's like 9 months ago now.
     
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  32. scotus

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    Thank you, guys.

    I will post some more pics and possibly videos when I get a chance.

    This, by the way, is my first time posting pictures. Never knew how to use Photobucket. I wonder if posting a video would be just as easy.
     
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    Here is Djokovic practicing his serves. I guess this drill is meant to just help him get more pop out of the wrist snap.

    Let's see if I can get the video to work:

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  34. 15-0

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    Any chance that we can get some Dokic pics?? Thx..
     
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  35. scotus

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    Sure, here is one:

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  36. scotus

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    Here's another:

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  37. OJ ROD

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    Oudin's body always reminds me of a gymnast's.
     
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  38. TheTruth

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    ^^^

    Me too.

    10 chars.
     
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  39. Djokovicfan4life

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    Martin didn't use that technique when he played on the ATP tour. He changed because he wanted to protect his shoulder. I don't think he'll be forcing Novak to serve like that any time soon.
     
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  40. scotus

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    You are absolutely right!
     
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  41. scotus

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    Baghdatis in practice:

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  42. scotus

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    Marin Cilic:

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  43. scotus

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    Patty Schnyder:

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    Good stuff! Thank you.
     
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  45. scotus

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    You're quite welcome. Here's another.

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  46. charliefedererer

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    Thanks for the posting on Justine.
    The pinpoint platform has the potential to increase the vertical leap and power on the serve of anyone who is vertically challenged but physically gifted. Than should be Henin. And she certainly has the tenacity to engrain the stroke, and will to make it consistant weapon in competition.
     
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    thats shanay perry her doubles partner. her dad just won a mens 50 singles title in fl.
     
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  48. Tony48

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    Thanks for the pictures and the information.

    People have been saying for quite a while that there was something up with Djokovic's serve; that it's different. I'm not a tennis form expert so I didn't notice. But I DID notice that it's been awful as of late. Either he isn't adapting well to his new service motion or it was just a bad idea to "fix" something that wasn't broke.

    Hopefully it'll all be worth it and his serve will be useful before USO 2013 :)
     
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  49. scotus

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    I agree with you 100%. With her old stance she used to serve into the net too often. I hope this will give her that extra vertical clearance she needs.

    And I hope she gets it down before the next major.
     
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  50. scotus

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    You are very welcome. I too hope Nole will get the new service motion down before the next major.
     
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