"Djokovic is better than Roger on Clay" answers Rafa

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  1. babbette

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    http://www.elmundo.es/elmundodeporte/especiales/2009/05/roland_garros/consultorio/index.html

    it's part of his Spanish blog. Maybe if someone is bothered they can translate some interesting bits. If not there's google translate.:)

    5 .- Who do you think is better on the clay at the moment: Djokovic or Federer? Who do you prefer face in the finals? Tries to be politically incorrect and get wet .... Thank you very much
    I think Djokovic. He won in Rome and Roger is the one that has achieved the best results of the two this season on the ground (a finalist in Monte Carlo and Rome champion in Belgrade). I look to the next match and not a hypothetical final. That, to me, is getting wet. The other is not realistic, believe me.
     
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  2. T1000

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    how many wins does joke have against rafa on clay? thank you
     
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    Roger's wins against Rafa on clay don't count because the surface is different.
     
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    technique wise, it's possible that djokovic is better than federer on clay but federer is mentally stronger than djokovic, i think federer should win the match if they meet in the semifinal.
     
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    Rafa has an easier time playing Federer on clay than Djokovic. Novak is the obvious answer. Rafa would be lying if he said Federer.
     
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    nads knows at rolland garros...he can just switch off his tennis brain and **** fed's backhand all day...where as against joker..he'll actually have to construct some points
     
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  8. babbette

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    [quote="" ]Garros this year seems harder than ever, This year Roland Garros seems more difficult than never, the victory of Federer in Madrid has descended us a little the myth of "Nobody beats Nadal on clay and less Federer" Do you believe that that can be suitable you to endeavor you more and to win the revenge in Paris?

    I do not think so. Always better to win and be confident. Always said that Federer is a great player and it still shows. I think that Madrid is not very significant because the surface conditions and the ball are different. Here the ball is in the racket and feel differently. In Madrid, again, the conditions were so favorable to me though were the same for everyone.
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    Better hear no crying Rafa fans next time 380pistol or GameSampras etc. jump on the slow grass train as you clearly support the madrid win does not count as it was on "fast clay" so when slow grass is brought up I will be amazed to not see you all jump on it.
     
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    Not all Rafa fans support this theory. I find Madrid's win dubious in that Nadal won three straight tournaments while Federer went out early in a couple of them. Then in the fourth tournament Rafa played a four hour match, so it's hard to take that as a win and ignore all of the other circumstances surrounding it.
     
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    Very well said Rafa. We know how easy Federer is when your 100%. Getting through Djokovic is exhausting however.
     
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    A win is a win though it is not Fed's fault though that Rafa was tired he came out and played who he played against. Same way I don't hold any of Rafa's victories accountable as if to the other player was "tired" etc. A tennis match is played on the court for the time it is played and that is that. Sampras puked on court and still won a match, best of 5, I think a little bit of tiredness can be overcome.
     
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    I'm not saying it's Fed fault Nadal played tired. I'm saying I don't put a lot of stock in that result because of the circumstances.
     
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    We have yet to see Djokovic challenge Nadal in a 5-set match, and Federer has done more in his 11 meetings against Nadal on clay than Djokovic has in his 9. Although, I think Nadal currently feels more comfortable mentally about playing against Federer than Djokovic since he seems to have a concrete and clear game plan when playing against Federer.
     
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    I think he's basically saying that based on current results, nole is better than roger on clay, which is true. Aside from madrid, roger really hasn't delivered, where as nole has.
     
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    Really? That's weird, I checked the atp site and apparently they do count.
    Odd.
     
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    You cannot be serious :) Nole's strokes never imploded like Federer's. Never.
     
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    ^^ Yeah...they just break down due to exhaustion.
     
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    ^^ Nope, I was talking about mental breakdown, crying, racquet abuse, etc.
     
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    I didn't see any breakdown in the final set in Madrid and that was their longest match they've played.
     
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    i think nadal would know....

    anyway i really like nadal's spanish interviews/press of any kind more than english, hes so much more open, insightful, and revealing...you get a tiny glipse of what he actually might be thinking...
     
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    Djokovic doesn't have the fire power or consistency to stay with Nadal on clay for 5 sets (he'd likely tire out), at least not yet. Fed has an outside chance if he plays extremely well. The match is always on Fed's hand as he himself has said.
     
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    at what point was last years final "on Fed's hand" ?
     
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    At what point in last year's final did Fed play well?
     
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    just makes fed even more hungry!
     
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  26. bolo

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    Fed. played at his highest clay court level in the 2007 F.........lost in 4 sets.
     
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    No way, 2006 was much closer, still lost in 4 though. But that was then, this is now.
     
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    Watching Federer today against Martin it looked pretty apparent to me that Djokovic is better. Of course, things happen - injuries occur, wind can blow the wrong way or someone could get a tummy ache. Maybe Federer will beat Djoker in the semi.

    But I'd be surprised. Roger on the RG clay is just not as good as he would pretend to be.

    Nadal would wipe the floor with Martin. Federer however was shanking and spraying errors left and right. It was hard to watch.
     
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    Maybe, I thought he played well in the 1st set in 2006, but he really folded in the next 3. In 2007 I thought he kept up steady pressure the entire 4 sets. He gave himself some good chances to at least take another set in 2007.
     
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    Fed usually gets better as the tourney progresses. I agree though, he didn't look yet that good even though the score shows otherwise.
     
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    I dont think it would be a very long match if they were to play. When i say not long, i mean not as long as his matches with nadal. Its hard to call but i think Roger would have a slight edge over Nole if they met.
     
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    Folded in the last 3?? Third set was 6-4 and 4th set he lost in a tie breaker. He was a few points away from a 5-setter. 2006 was much closer.
     
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    really lost and passive in the last 3. Didn't know what to do, note the famous wilander diatribe after the match ended. In that match he was actually down a break in the 4th set but came on a little bit right at the end to take it into a breaker. But lost the breaker in a typical manner.

    In 2007, he improved his backhand a bit and he gave himself many break chances, but nadal just raised his game on a lot of those points and shut him down. Great effort though, I was definitely nervous watching that match. :)
     
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    The same way Nadal wiped the floor with Marcos Daniel? It is first round of a slam neither player is pushing it they were playing guys ranked 98 Fed still won 6-4, 6-3, 6-2 he was definitely not pushing it. You are using a 1R slam match that Federer played to determine that Djokovic is better...because you claim the way Federer played today it is apparent Djokovic is better. I mean come on that is like saying Nadal is awful on clay he had 30 UE..lets make conclusions on reasonable grounds.
     
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    The numbers don't lie, neither do the matches, I have both on tape. He was edgy throughout the match in 2007. Even I was feeling edgy as I was watching it and it just seemed from the start he couldn't win, you could see it on his face. In 2006, I thought he was going to win for sure. Who cares what Wilander says, just watch the matches. The tie-break was lost 7-4. He was a few points away from 5 sets. Even the 3rd set he only lost by a close break. Nowhere close to that in 2007.
     
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    if anyone cares for the translation ill do it but, it seems that most of what you like is arguing i'll have a go at it anyways:

    5.- ¿Quién crees que se encuentra mejor en tierra en este momento: Djokovic o Federer? ¿A cuál prefieres enfrentarte en la final? Intenta ser políticamente incorrecto y mojarte.... Muchas gracias
    Creo que Djokovic. Le ha ganado a Roger en Roma y es el que ha conseguido mejores resultados de los dos esta temporada en tierra (finalista en Montecarlo y Roma, campeón en Belgrado). Yo miro al siguiente partido y no a una hipotética final. Eso, para mí, es mojarme. Lo otro es no ser realista, creeme.

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    5.-Who do you think is better right now on clay: Djokovic or Federer? Who do you rather play against in the final? Try to be politically incorrect and go for it...thanks very much

    I think Djokovic, he has beaten Federer in Rome, and he is the one with the better results on clay this season (Finalist in Monte Carlo and Rome, champion in Belgrade). I always look at my next match and not at a hypothetical final. That for me is going out of the water (slang for over predicting or something like that). The other thing is not being a realist, believe me.

    here it is..
     
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  37. CyBorg

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    Eh, I saw that match too. Daniel played well and has good groundstrokes.

    Martin conversely had very little to give. He's an old, crafty dude. But those are some of the worst groundies I've seen in some time and they were giving Federer a hard time.
     
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    when he says "The other thing is not being a realist" he means that Djokovic obviously has had the better results on clay this season, and that means that he is better than federer on clay right now
     
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    Yep. Fed fans still won't admit that Djokovic is better on clay. Pathetic I know.
     
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    Well the proof will be in the pudding. You agree that if Djokovic loses to Fed in the semi, assuming both get there, that Fed is better? And vice versa of course.
     
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    Explain the 30+ unforced errors no player ranked 97 has that good off a ground game to challenge the 4 time reigning french open champion and make him play that badly..I watched both matches and neither gave much of anything and the same was with Fed and Nadal both were obviously far from playing 100 percent.
     
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    Going by most recent results....

    Djoker lost to Nadal.

    Fed beat Nadal.

    Go figure.
     
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    We will find out at RG right now their clay court h2h is tied at 2-2 and last I checked accomplishment wise Fed has 5 master shields on clay to Djokovic 1. Whoever wins their RG meeting I will consider the better claycourter at the moment, career wise however Federer still gets the edge.
     
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    well to me is not pathetic, i differ on that, 'cause federer is a great all around player, and people like him and want him to do better, just how you like nadal, but we have to be objective on results and results show that Djokovic is better again Rafa said "esta temporada" wich means "This season", because to me Federer was better than Djokovic last season.. and results show that.

    On the other hand, on another part of the answers Rafa says that he has great results this season and for him Winning monte carlo, barcelona and rome is even better than winning roland garros, and he admits that he is not as strong as he was last season on clay
     
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    By numbers, it can be argued that Nole has done better than Roger, But still he has a better career on clay + the title in Madrid. Lets wait for the eventual semifinal between this 2 guys on next week's Friday to see who's the current 2nd best CC player (or probably the best if the winner of that eventual semifinal become RG 09 Champ)
     
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    Point taken. I think Federer is the one with something to prove here though and a bad start doesn't look good to my eye. With Nadal, one can expect him to get better.

    Watching Roger today, I got flashbacks to past Roland Garros events. Same weaknesses, same mistakes, no real improvement.

    Can't see a way to place positive spin here.
     
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    Uh actually the most relevant result would be that Djokovic BEAT Federer.

    Go figure, right?
     
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    this fight is like who's pokemon's better

    charmander beats bulbasaur, but bulbasuar beats squirtle... but wait! squirtle beats charmander!!!!

    cutt if off:neutral:
     
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  49. sh@de

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    I think Federer's better than Djokovic on clay. Just because Djoker seems to put up a better fight against Nadal than Federer does doesn't mean he's better. It's about match ups. Nadal is a horrible match up for Federer so he gets spanked.
     
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    Exactly what i was saying. Does playing good against rafa on clay mean djokovic is better on clay than federer? nope. Until he proves he can beat federer on the big stage on clay, federer still has the edge.
     
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