Djokovic or Murray: Who will lead their h2h when it's all said and done?

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  1. Razoredge

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    Currently Djokovic leads 10-7, who do you think will be the leader at the end of their careers?
     
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  2. Goosehead

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    thats a tough one..lets see then....hmmmm depends on..

    is murray at his peak ? (could be), still improving ?(i think), or had his best year already ?
    same for djokovic also..his level so far in career has generally been higher than murrays..(no1 rank, more majors/masters/world tour finals)

    although the h2h have been pretty close alot of times..so even if djokovic remains more dominant in terms of titles, murray could feasibly have a winning h2h vs djokvic..but then again just as likely not :)

    to sum up then..i dunno :confused::-|
     
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  3. 90's Clay

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    Nole will keep the h2h lead and it probably be a similar h2h that Andre-Sampras had. 20-14 or something like that in favor of Nole
     
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    I think it will stay about the same. They go back and forth, but Djokovic will always just stay slightly ahead. I could see it ending 20-18 or something like that.
     
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  5. mbm0912

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    Djoker will
     
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  6. Sabratha

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    Djokovic will always lead the H2H against Murray.
     
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    Hard to call, but that's what makes tennis for the next couple years exciting.
     
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    I think Djoker will. Even if they go .500 for the rest of their respective careers, Djoker will still have the lead! :razz:

    -Fuji
     
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    tough one but i have to go with murray in the next upcoming years they are going to meet a lot and murray is slowly developing and once he's at his peak he will be beating djokovic
     
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  10. NadalAgassi

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    I concur with others. It will probably go something similar to what it is now for the future, another 10-7 in their next 17 matches, ending something like 20-14, similar to Sampras and Agassi. Djokovic is just a bit more explosive all around and tougher mentally. Murray has a more versatile game but it doesnt really give him the edge overall it seems.
     
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  11. kaku

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    Idk but whoever it will probably be very close
     
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  12. Sabratha

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    Murray could have already hit his peak this year.
     
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    If Murray can keep doing this to Djokovic then he has a chance:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1HZbxkdlHw

    It was rallies like these that eventulally resulted in Djokovic physically breaking down.
     
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  14. Fiji

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    Djokovic because of clay(Djokovic by far, far).... more tournaments than on grass(Murray has the edge). HC will be even in the end.
     
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    Djokovic hasn't won a slam since January 2012, and even then he needed a 7-5 fifth set to beat Murray. They met at the US Open and Murray won the 5th set EASILY. There is no doubt where this rivalry is going. It's all Murray.
     
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    This man will prevail in the h2h.
     
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  17. TheF1Bob

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    Oh come on, Novak breaking down is extremely rare these days.

    That was a one off (lucky Murray as usual).

    You're not a Murrayturd so stop behaving like one!
     
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  18. always_crosscourt

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    Djokovic won that rally.

    In fact, the majority of Djokovic/Murray rallies go in a pattern where they hit passively to each other until Djokovic either gets bored and hits a winner, or Murray makes an unforced error.

    Do you see that Murray is screwed both ways - he's not as consistent and can't defend as well as Djokovic, so will always cough up the unforced error first, and he also is far physically weaker than Djokovic, and doesn't have the strength to swing the racket fast enough to hit winners, so is vulnerable to getting blasted off the court by Djokovic as well.

    With this in mind, it truly is remarkable that the H2H has been so close - one would have to think that when they've met they've mainly played mostly on surfaces or under conditions that Djokovic does not favor, or that Djokovic has suffered with personal issues or his previous susceptibility to allergies to skew the H2H slightly.
     
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  19. Peters

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    I always hear this on these forums.

    People always try and find excuses for whenever Murray succeeds. I mean, he has a losing H2H against Novak yet you're still laying into him.

    Give the guy a break for goodness sake. Many matches between them have been genuinely evenly-poised, with only a few points making the difference either way.
     
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  20. Clarky21

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    Eeyore easily.
     
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  21. kishnabe

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    Most likely Nole....but h2h doesn't matter.

    Even then Nole will have the better career.
     
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    Since Djokovic won the first 3, probably him, even if Murray starts winning more now, which is also yet to be seen.
     
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  23. TheFifthSet

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    Just out of respect for his fans, can you please just call him by his Goddamn name? I understand you detest the man, but just call him by his name.
     
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  24. roberttennis54

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    Depends on where they play each other really. If they start meeting more on grass, then Murray will have the edge. If they meet more on clay (despite Murray pushing Djokovic very close many times) Djokovic will have the edge. On hardcourts it will remain fairly even.
     
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  25. Clarky21

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    No. There's your answer.
     
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  26. TheFifthSet

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    Hahah got it, nice to know you're as malicious as the so-called "trolls" you constantly go after. Take a look in the mirror.
     
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  27. Clarky21

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    What a cry baby you are. You are totally devoid of a sense of humor, and if you don't like my posts, put me on ignore.
     
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  28. TheFifthSet

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    If I'm a crybaby for voicing expressing my displeasure every once in a while, what are you? You do it every second post LOL. I wouldn't say I'm devoid of a sense of humor, your sense of humor is just tasteless (and exceptionally redundant).
     
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  29. Clarky21

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    You're a cry baby for making such a big deal out of some harmlesss nicknames. There is a whole lot worse said on here(especially about Nadal), but I don't see your self-righteous indignation about any of those things do I?

    Oh, and if anyone is "redundant" and "tasteless" in their attempts at humor, it's your hero with his lame impersonations, lame dirty jokes, and embarrassing attempts at dancing.
     
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  30. Mainad

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    Heh, heh. Nice try tennis-fan-182. Back again are you with your "Murray is so physically weak he can hardly hit a tennis ball" and "he can only ever win against someone like Djokovic because of the weirdest flukes" etc. etc. etc.

    The mods are on to you. Have fun before you get banned yet again (hopefully for good this time)!
     
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  31. NEW_BORN

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    Depends on who declines the steepest, under the tutelage of their respective coaches.

    If Murray is still with Lendl in 5 years time, then Murray will lead :)
    If Djokovic is still with Vajda in 5 years time, then Murray will lead :twisted:
     
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  32. TheFifthSet

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    That's where you're wrong, friend, you just have to pay attention :lol: Just last week I defended Nadal against those wildly speculative doping/silent ban accusations. I think all fan groups on here say some overboard things about their favourite players rivals. You are just one of them, and a simple look through my posting history would prove that I do not single you out.


    My hero? He's merely one of my favourite tennis players, along with Fed, Tsonga, Dolgopolov, Haas, etc. I like his game and I like him as a person.

    Yes, I agree his humor, like yours, can be redundant, because he repeats a lot of his jokes. Never said he was perfect, or acted like it. Your portrayal of me is a caricature. You merely react defensively because you know what I say to be true -- stubborn people are often unwilling to admit their shortcomings. Hence why you choose to turn the tables and make it about me, to compensate and to draw the attention away from your flaws. Very interesting from a psychological perspective.
     
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  33. always_crosscourt

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    So when people complain about your antics, you say they have no sense of humor. Yet when people say you're not funny, you claim that you're making all Djokovic nicknames for yourself and it's not meant to be funny.

    Either whatever you're doing isn't funny only makes you come across as a desperate, superstitious little freak.
     
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  34. veroniquem

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    Clarky's hatred of Djoko is pathological. I don't think you can fight it with rational arguments...
     
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  35. Clarky21

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    What resurrected trolls like you don't understand is that I don't make up nicknames in an attempt to be funny. I do it because I want to, and because it fits him at the moment. I'm not looking for approval from zombie trolls or anyone else.

    And how am I superstitious by making up a nickname? Makes zero sense.
     
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  36. Clarky21

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    Vero's hatred of Fed is pathological. I don't think you can fight it with rational arguments...
     
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  37. TheFifthSet

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    Yeah agreed, it's stunning haha. It's as if Novak personally peed in her cereal or something.
     
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    Maybe he did :shock: (or someone looking like him :-?)
     
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    You know what is even more stunning? Vero's hatred for all things related to Fed. Don't see you jumping all over her case for that(not that I am surprised). She has stooped so low as to say nasty things about his children so he definitely must have peed in her cereal.
     
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  40. TheFifthSet

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    Yeah it has to be some deep-rooted issue she has with him :)
     
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  41. Feather

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    It's funny that after talking about psychological perspective and all you side with another pathological hater just because she likes your favorite player. You whine about Clarky's hatred for Djokovic and takes support of Vero, who has a pathological hatred for Federer. Stop being such a hypocrite. It's all the same. You side with her cause she also shares your hatred for Federer and bottomless admiration for Djokovic.

    I like Djokovic but I find the names that she gives him funny. So humor is subjective. You don't have to get this bitter and make mountains out of mole hills just because of a small nick name.

    Before talking about morals and all take a look at the mirror.
     
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  42. Feather

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    Look who is talking. It's like the pot calling the kettle black
     
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  43. always_crosscourt

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    Well, don't call TheFifthSet a 'crybaby' for 'not having a sense of humor' when he objects to it then. You've just admitted it's not funny, so why would someone need a sense of humor to appreciate it?

    You call him (Djokovic) nicknames because you're superstitious. It's like by calling Djokovic by his real name you're afraid you'll be personally responsible for the next beat-down he gives Nadal or something. It's quite pathetic.
     
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  44. zagor

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    Actually TheFifthSet is a Fed fan (though to a slightly lesser degree than he's a Novak fan perhaps) who got into plenty of scraps with Vero in the past.

    Admittedly, I do find some Clarky's nicknames of Novak to be funny such as Cvac and Djesus (I couldn't stop laughing about that one).
     
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  45. Feather

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    May be, he is a Federer fan, I don't know.

    To be honest, he is criticizing Clarky for being a Djokovic hater and he is taking support of Vero, who is a Roger hater. It sounded like hypocrisy to me.

    Some of Clarky's nicknames are funny. What's the harm in a little fun? It's like the tots complaining about candy. Some people need to grow up
     
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  46. 6-1 6-3 6-0

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    Clarky loves Djokovic. He hates Nadal. That's what happens when Nadal beats it into your skull that he's the best player on tour. :p
     
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  47. Clarky21

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    Exactly. Vero has said things about Fed on here that are far worse than the harmless nicknames I give Eeyore. She has had the nerve to insult his children, which resulted in her being banned for a while. She caused a huge stir up in the Fed babies thread when she did it and caused a bunch of posts to be deleted. She will deny it ever happened, but she's a liar.

    It's also funny that I have asked her a few times now if she has ever been banned from this board and she will not answer me. I wonder why? :wink:
     
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    I thought he was a ********* too, and yesterday he said Eeyore was one of his favorites so you're not far off.

    Yep. Some people are just too uptight and worry about the silliest of things that they suck all of the fun out of everything. I would hate to go through life being so utterly humorless that I can't tolerate a harmless nickname that hurts no one.
     
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    It was nearly interesting for 3 second at 1:11!
     
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  50. Tiebreak100

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    Murray - Novak surely cannot keep playing the way he does into his late 20s. At this time however, on a hard court, I always fancy Djokovic to win. He is more consistent and reliable, particularly on the forehand wing.
     
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