Djokovic

sillymonkey

Hall of Fame
2007/2008 is Novak's breakthrough year. I suspect Federer and Nadal have been around a few years longer in order to gather up fans. People dont know much about him yet.
One thing is certain, the US press and tennis establishment is in love with Djokovic. :)

I think what they love is another player to talk [incessantly] about. Some people are tired of Fed & Rafa winning everything.
 

oy vey

Semi-Pro
It's natural. His hunger for titles and pain after a loss were too much. Now imagine how strong he has to be to 'hide' his reactions in last 6 years ? He's okay.

Daddy, do you think if Novak, age 20, cried after his match with Fed at the US Open nobody here would comment? He's a baby, a wuss, he's nuts, etc. I think there would be a 20 page thread on that.
 

daddy

Legend
Daddy, do you think if Novak, age 20, cried after his match with Fed at the US Open nobody here would comment? He's a baby, a wuss, he's nuts, etc. I think there would be a 20 page thread on that.

I don't care what other people would say about Djokovic crying. I dont think he's such of a guy who'd do that but then again that does not dent Federer's image to me. He is that kind of a guy and aparently he had to control those emotions to get where he is now.

Btw - people on this board and general public are not even close as I already said. General public also likes emotional champs, thats why Federer needed 6-7 Grand Slam titles to get under regular fans skin. Hard core tennis fan liked him from the word go, but general public finds it hard to deal with ice cool looks until you become very succesfull. He spoke about a lot of things in some Swiss papers last month adding he made his weakness into his biggest strenght ( mental aspect ) and how he managed to turn around the fans by his flawless performances. I back him up in this statement 100%.
 

NamRanger

G.O.A.T.
According to GJ, it's ok to retire from a match when you have strep throat. I guess it's ok to lose a few matches here and there when you have Mono then right? Oh wait, since his name isn't Novak Djokovic, it's all a lie that was created to make a huge excuse for all the losses right?


Give me a break.
 
Please save your response when you can properly defend Djokovic instead of cussing me out, why the hell would i ahte Djokovic when i don't know him personally, this is just an article to debate about, many players get called into question on this site, what is wrong with you people and constructive critisim you can't actually stick to a subject instead bring personally... i think you need to do the growing up and try to stick to the subject at hand it may be hard but do try.

Whoever wrote this is grown enough to write this paper, stick to the sujbect and show Djokovic for what he really is. If you can't take i suggest you keep quiet
Why should I defend Djokovic? I am a fan of only one player, Marat. But you asked how to classify the material you posted (where to file it) and I made my suggestion. The other comment was my general disappointment with your writing. You started so well. I really enjoyed reading the early part, then you fell appart. I could picture a person who talks calmly for a few minutes and then starts spitting out ugly words. Thats the picture you painted. Try again. I don't mean to discourage you from writing, just make an effort to be a bit more dispassionate in your dislike (hate?) of a very fine young player.
 

cueboyzn

Professional
His parents need to STFU--he's got enough pressure on him as it is. Did you notice his coach in the background? He looked like he wanted to crawl under the seats. Agitating Federer and Nadal is like playing basketball with a hornet's nest--you will regret it.

Yeah thats what I say as well. Provoke them at your peril. You get the feeling both of them, Roger, Rafa, are just itching to swat Novak next time they see him other side of the net.
 

bagung

Hall of Fame
Djokovic is great in hard court, even better than the great federer...
but on clay, nadal is THE BEST.......
VAMOS RAFA
 

janipyt05

Professional
Why should I defend Djokovic? I am a fan of only one player, Marat. But you asked how to classify the material you posted (where to file it) and I made my suggestion. The other comment was my general disappointment with your writing. You started so well. I really enjoyed reading the early part, then you fell appart. I could picture a person who talks calmly for a few minutes and then starts spitting out ugly words. Thats the picture you painted. Try again. I don't mean to discourage you from writing, just make an effort to be a bit more dispassionate in your dislike (hate?) of a very fine young player.


Very nice.... you even have time to picutre me WOW... What actually makes you think i wrote this article myself? ... Are you for real. I didn't ask where to file it, i simply didn't want to make a thread possibly that may have been repeated so i explained as one would that if i could have posted it in a similar thread i would have but couldn't find one, so lets not get this twisted.

If you are fan of only one player Marat as you put it why are you answering why you should defend Djokovic?

Sorry to disappoint you but i do not and nor will i ever hate any tennis player, see i'm practical i can't hate on someone who i have never meet nor will i ever met. I simply found an article, about Djokovic posted and it took off. Non of Djokovic fans have managed to dispell Djokovic's actions which carry on today. Granted i got the dates wrong when he retired which do not negate the fact that these things have happened and granted at Wimbledon he had a blister, it does not explain the rest of his clearly unfair antics. Thats all, this is not as deep as you are trying to make it so just calm down. Djokovic is not the first nor will he be the last player to be questioned.

Don't worry you have not discouraged me, we don't know each other so why would i be troubled by your post, i'm too grown to be offended by someone i don't know. It's a forum i enjoying reading and at times posting.

I have not spat ugly words at anyone more so folks have called me a lair, article is made up, hater, I should grow up and my writing is bad, not actually sticking to the subject only making pesonal attacks that just means you know Djokovic's actions are wrong and can't refute his actions, or debate in a nice manner so you jump to attacking me, if it makes you feel better it's cool.

If you reading very carefully, i had said he is clearly very talented...

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oy vey

Semi-Pro
Btw - people on this board and general public are not even close as I already said. General public also likes emotional champs, thats why Federer needed 6-7 Grand Slam titles to get under regular fans skin.


Maybe that's why the tennis establisment and US press like Novak. He is rather emotional.
 

feetofclay

Semi-Pro
I'm a Djokovic fan (obvious from my other posts) but I was at that match and there is no question that Djokovic did everything but crap on the umpire to win that match. The general feeling of those in the small crowd was that he cheated his way to the win a la JMac who similarly abused the rules back in his day.

But they were 18 I think. Djokovic has come a long way since then. Which is more then you can say about JMac who continued his abuse of the rules throughout his career.

I watched the whole Nadal vs Djokovic semi final today. When Djokovic lost his serve in the second set his team clearly signalled to him to get off the court, consequently he asked the umpire if he could take a bathroom break before Nadal's serve. A request which I am pleased to say was refused. A leopard doesn't change it's spots.
 
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bhallic24

Guest
I watched the whole Nadal vs Djokovic semi final today. When Djokovic lost his serve in the second set his team clearly signalled to him to get off the court, consequently he asked the umpire if he could take a bathroom break before Nadal's serve. A request which I am pleased to say was refused. A leopard doesn't change it's spots.

Can't say I like this novak character. don't like his game, his style, his excuses, his antics etc... He's totally the Male version of Maria Shriekapova for me. Loved that Rafa sat this boy on his ass today. Lol and now poor joker has to blame the slow court conditions on center court for his malo performance.
 

daddy

Legend
I watched the whole Nadal vs Djokovic semi final today. When Djokovic lost his serve in the second set his team clearly signalled to him to get off the court, consequently he asked the umpire if he could take a bathroom break before Nadal's serve. A request which I am pleased to say was refused. A leopard doesn't change it's spots.

He lost fair and square. Whats a problem now - he did not do anything out of the ordinary so let's pick on whatever we can find nd bash ? Heh, seems that you did not change your spots after all. I found Monfils's calls to the crowd in last set much more inapropriate yet its only expected from a local guy. No one cares to mention that .. but toilet break is a problem. Right.
 

coloskier

Legend
According to GJ, it's ok to retire from a match when you have strep throat. I guess it's ok to lose a few matches here and there when you have Mono then right? Oh wait, since his name isn't Novak Djokovic, it's all a lie that was created to make a huge excuse for all the losses right?


Give me a break.

At least Fed finished his matches. A legitimate loss. He didn't quit when the going got tough.
 

Atherton2003

Hall of Fame
He lost fair and square. Whats a problem now - he did not do anything out of the ordinary so let's pick on whatever we can find nd bash ? Heh, seems that you did not change your spots after all. I found Monfils's calls to the crowd in last set much more inapropriate yet its only expected from a local guy. No one cares to mention that .. but toilet break is a problem. Right.


I'm not familiar with all the tennis rules, but can't a player take a bathroom break? I'd much rather see a player be granted a toilet break when they need to go rather than see them wet their pants on court.
 

gj011

Banned
I see that Novak hater party continues here. They are running out of excuses to bash Novak, so now they are getting more and more ridiculous reasons.

Yes he winked to his camp and then asked for a bathroom break. LOL

As I said, so much hatred is not good for your health. You haters should be worried.
 

feetofclay

Semi-Pro
He lost fair and square. Whats a problem now - he did not do anything out of the ordinary so let's pick on whatever we can find nd bash ? Heh, seems that you did not change your spots after all. I found Monfils's calls to the crowd in last set much more inapropriate yet its only expected from a local guy. No one cares to mention that .. but toilet break is a problem. Right.

Yes he was beaten fair and square. The point I was making was that his team were clearly seen to signal to him following the loss of his service. The signal clearly indicated that he should take a break. I have no problem with a player taking a legitimate toilet break, but wouldn't Djokovic himself know if he needed such a break? Why did his team need to signal to him? Very convenient timing just when he had lost his service again and just before Nadal's service game.
 

Atherton2003

Hall of Fame
Yes he was beaten fair and square. The point I was making was that his team were clearly seen to signal to him following the loss of his service. The signal clearly indicated that he should take a break. I have no problem with a player taking a legitimate toilet break, but wouldn't Djokovic himself know if he needed such a break? Why did his team need to signal to him? Very convenient timing just when he had lost his service again and just before Nadal's service game.

Well, maybe they have to remind him to go to the bathroom - much like a mother asks her child if he has to go.
 

daddy

Legend
Yes he was beaten fair and square. The point I was making was that his team were clearly seen to signal to him following the loss of his service. The signal clearly indicated that he should take a break. I have no problem with a player taking a legitimate toilet break, but wouldn't Djokovic himself know if he needed such a break? Why did his team need to signal to him? Very convenient timing just when he had lost his service again and just before Nadal's service game.

Cmon this is a really lame excuse to bash him. I feel like there were times when he did some inapropriate things and at those times Id shut up and read what people write or criticize myself. Anyways this is not even worth mentioning and did not happen the way you describe it just for the record. Even if it did, big deal.
 

Atherton2003

Hall of Fame
Cmon this is a really lame excuse to bash him. I feel like there were times when he did some inapropriate things and at those times Id shut up and read what people write or criticize myself. Anyways this is not even worth mentioning and did not happen the way you describe it just for the record. Even if it did, big deal.


I still can't see what he did wrong...perhaps he really needed to go to the bathroom - that should be within the rules.
 

forzainter

Semi-Pro
I still can't see what he did wrong...perhaps he really needed to go to the bathroom - that should be within the rules.

The reason it was rejected, as believed by the eurosport commentators, is because Nadal would be serving right after the break, and it would be unfair for Nadal to wait for that bit longer while Djokovic leaves the court
 

daddy

Legend
The reason it was rejected, as believed by the eurosport commentators, is because Nadal would be serving right after the break, and it would be unfair for Nadal to wait for that bit longer while Djokovic leaves the court

And he left after the set was finished and came back in like a minute. End of story.
 

Atherton2003

Hall of Fame
The reason it was rejected, as believed by the eurosport commentators, is because Nadal would be serving right after the break, and it would be unfair for Nadal to wait for that bit longer while Djokovic leaves the court


Oh, thanks for explaining. Seems like a ludicrous rule - if a player needs to use the bathroom, they should not have to worry at what point in the match it is - that's ridiculous.
 

Atherton2003

Hall of Fame
Oh, thanks for explaining. Seems like a ludicrous rule - if a player needs to use the bathroom, they should not have to worry at what point in the match it is - that's ridiculous.

Perhaps the best way to erradicate this problem is to have all the players wear adult diapers.
 

allcourter

New User
Can't say I like this novak character. don't like his game, his style, his excuses, his antics etc... He's totally the Male version of Maria Shriekapova for me. Loved that Rafa sat this boy on his ass today. Lol and now poor joker has to blame the slow court conditions on center court for his malo performance.

I am very happy to see Nadal beats this immature jerk-ass, Djokovic. Be humble as a true champion if you are one.
 

janipyt05

Professional
Yes the rules ahve changed you can only go to the bathroom after a set, but then they also say say you can go when it is on your serve so as not to shift momentum, it disturbs only you because you leave the court and come back to serve.

This match was the best of Rafa's matches so far, the 1st and 2nd set Djokovic was a punching bag for Rafa, Djokovic was in the games in the 1st and 2nd set but made way too many errors and was lulled into playing the way Rafa wants. Djokovic stepped it up in the 3rd and it became a real contest. Djokovic is really talented, his defence was second to none, his shot making in the 3rd had me clapping for him, once he believed he could take the ball early and create space Rafa looked taken back and had to steady himself to adjust to the change in Djokovic's approach. Great match and i think had this been another opponent Djokovic would have won.
 

gj011

Banned
Lots of fresh new green trolls. Interesting. Haters are cloning themselves.

He lost. He was behaving fine. He gave credit. Let it go. Jeeeez.
 
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zagor

Bionic Poster
I didn't see anything wrong with what Novak did today(and no before someone says I'm not his fan I'm just stating my opinion).Bash him when he deserves and today he didn't.
 

Atherton2003

Hall of Fame
Lots of fresh new green trolls. Interesting. Haters are cloning themselves.

He lost. He was behaving fine. He gave credit. Let is go. Jeeeez.

I can't see anything wrong with going to the bathroom. If they decline and he wets his pants or worse, can he then have a "change of clothes" break?
 

babbette

Legend
there's nothing wrong with going to the bathroom but when he did it i was like "hmm, typical!"


But i have to say this from his interview surprised me.

"The first two sets were very bad. I had no rhythm and was hitting too many unforced errors," said Djokovic.

"Then I decided to go for my shots and try everything or nothing. But I wasn't moving like I was in Hamburg.

"He showed once again that he is very strong mentally. He's the best defensive player in the world and plays every point as if it's match point. The better player won today."


it's almost as if someone else was talking, lol. if his attitude changes, i might like him. that's my main problem with him, his attitude. let's see what happens. Maybe he's learning from Rafa. I think he wants to be him:shock:
 

janipyt05

Professional
i personally don't see anything wrong in going off to the bathroom even if he didn't need to go he just needed clear his heard and get off court, that to me if perfectly fine, i get that they are trying not to disturb the other player say if he has to serve after Djokovic returns, but if you gotta go, there is nothing like let me wait till its on my serve. I don't think its practical.
 

rafan

Hall of Fame
Not a Novak fan but he did look nervous coming out on to the court. After all this was more than just an ordinary tennis match - pos no 2 was at stake - so he probably needed to go!
 

Atherton2003

Hall of Fame
Not a Novak fan but he did look nervous coming out on to the court. After all this was more than just an ordinary tennis match - pos no 2 was at stake - so he probably needed to go!


I don't recall Nadal ever taking a bathroom break - evening during 4+ hour matches...is he human?
 

fednad

Hall of Fame
Yes he was beaten fair and square. The point I was making was that his team were clearly seen to signal to him following the loss of his service. The signal clearly indicated that he should take a break. I have no problem with a player taking a legitimate toilet break, but wouldn't Djokovic himself know if he needed such a break? Why did his team need to signal to him? Very convenient timing just when he had lost his service again and just before Nadal's service game.

What was the signal? Please elaborate.
 

feetofclay

Semi-Pro
What was the signal? Please elaborate.

Djokovic looked up to his team after losing his service. One of his team raised his right hand with his thumb up and quickly indicated backwards with his thumb. At this point Djokovic asked for a bathroom break. This may seem a minor thing to many but I believe it would have been a blatant misuse of a bathroom break, just as medical time-outs are misused by some.

I don't hate Djokovic, how can you hate someone who you do not even know, but I do dislike his attitude and what appears at times to be very unsportsmanlike behaviour.
 

daddy

Legend
Djokovic looked up to his team after losing his service. One of his team raised his right hand with his thumb up and quickly indicated backwards with his thumb. At this point Djokovic asked for a bathroom break. This may seem a minor thing to many but I believe it would have been a blatant misuse of a bathroom break, just as medical time-outs are misused by some.

I don't hate Djokovic, how can you hate someone who you do not even know, but I do dislike his attitude and what appears at times to be very unsportsmanlike behaviour.

I recommend a 6 months ban. Btw what's about the blatant abuse of illegal coaching from Monfils between every point during the whole tournament ? Oh yes, I forgot you're not a hater. At least not a Monfils hater.
 

feetofclay

Semi-Pro
I recommend a 6 months ban. Btw what's about the blatant abuse of illegal coaching from Monfils between every point during the whole tournament ? Oh yes, I forgot you're not a hater. At least not a Monfils hater.

Quite agree with you on the illegal coaching by Monfils team. I believe they were previously warned about it, but it was so blatant that they should have received some sort of formal code violation.
 

daddy

Legend
Quite agree with you on the illegal coaching by Monfils team. I believe they were previously warned about it, but it was so blatant that they should have received some sort of formal code violation.

Yes but don't you see the point ? They all give him a pass, umpires, other pro's, general public, media etc. Its not something which is that important in the world of tennis, not the toilete breaks nor the coaching. I think one is illegal but still questionable. As I said, big deal. We should drop this immediately.
 

rafan

Hall of Fame
I don't recall Nadal ever taking a bathroom break - evening during 4+ hour matches...is he human?

I cannot remember either Fed or Nadal or Borg or Mac or Jimmy ever taking a toilet break - apparently Sharapova was denied one according to BBC commentor
 

daddy

Legend
I cannot remember either Fed or Nadal or Borg or Mac or Jimmy ever taking a toilet break - apparently Sharapova was denied one according to BBC commentor

That is because of rather short term or selective memory you have. Remember once Fed took the toilet break in AO they showed a footage of him running back to the court and almost stumbling when someone was in his way ? Now lets just simply put this statement of yours where it belongs - in trashcan. If you dont remember something which happened like 5 months ago, how would you remember what did Jimbo do back in the days ?
 
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fed_rulz

Hall of Fame
Remember once Fed took the toilet break in USO they showed a footage of him running back to the court and almost stumbling when someone was in his way ?QUOTE]

I think it was at the 2008 AO during the tipsarevic match. He almost collided with the janitor's equipment.
 

TheTruth

G.O.A.T.
And Daddy, Federer has shown times he can be teed off after a loss, you are right. But never once has he been blatantly arrogant as Djokovic, ever. I don't think I've ever seen Federer say "I was completely in control of the match" When he was down a set and 2 breaks, and retires.

Maybe he didn't do exactly as Djokovic did, but Federer's done his fair share too. The only problem is that it gets excused, while Djokovic gets crucified. Go back and read the articles. He was routinely dissing Nadal when the h2h was 6-1 or 7-1 to his disadvantage. He called Uncle Toni a cheater on court. Made a big deal about the "time violations."


Federer gives credit where credit is due. He gave Safin credit when Safin beat him at the AO 2005.

He did not. He said he had something wrong with his feet in that match, and he reminded the press that he had a winning h2h against Safin.

He gave Nalbandian credit at the TMC 2005 even though he literally was playing with no movement whatsoever.

He gave credit to Nalbandian and then called his buddy Wawrinka and asked him to beat Nalbandian when they played, and also asked Stan to beat Canas too.

He gives credit to Nadal, and said that he felt lucky to win Wimbledon in 2007.

He gives credit to Nadal now, because Nadal took the high road and never retaliated. You have to respect a player like that.

He is constantly awarded by the press and his own fellow players, not just because of press interviews or public things, but because of how he acts off the court also.

He gets the awards because they want to give them to him. Never before has a champion been so negatively quoted against another player, except McEnroe and Connors, and as you can see they are also held in the highest esteem.

Djokovic not only shot himself in the foot with this incident, but also many other incidents also. People seem to forget that Djokovic routinely abuses timeouts and ball bouncing, and pretty much gets away with it every time.

Federer did ask for the chair to turn off the let machine at Wimby last year. He did stop the match with Tipsarevic to get his toenails clipped. He's done just as many things as Djokovic has, so I don't understand why you're not seeing it.

I'm not a Djokovic fan in the least. I agree his tactics are dubious, but he is not the only one. To down Djokovic and uplift Federer is a bit crazy imo, unless you're just not reading articles, or making excuses for his behavior. After reading some of the responses in this thread, it's sad to say that a lot of this is pure hatred. Why? I think we all know why. The truth is, I wish he wasn't nipping at Nadal's heels too, but he's earned that. To not like someone is fine, but to try to rip them to shreds is sad!
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
I'm not familiar with all the tennis rules, but can't a player take a bathroom break? I'd much rather see a player be granted a toilet break when they need to go rather than see them wet their pants on court.
I think they can go but within specific rules and not just before the other player's serve. In Indian Wells, Rafa was refused a medical time out to treat his foot because Djoko was about to serve. If the bathroom break had been allowed just before Rafa's serve at RG, I would have been furious at the double standards.
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
Oh, thanks for explaining. Seems like a ludicrous rule - if a player needs to use the bathroom, they should not have to worry at what point in the match it is - that's ridiculous.
I disagree. Bathroom breaks can be used to disrupt the rhythm or momentum in a match. It's up to the players to plan their bathroom break at an appropriate time (before their own serve or at the end of a set). It shouldn't be too hard, they're not 4 years old after all!
 
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