Do the 2 extra weeks at number one really matter?

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  1. kragster

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    I'm a huge Sampras fan and I think he's severely underrated on these forums but really those 2 extra weeks at number one should hardly be a consideration factor when comparing fed and Sampras.

    I think the value of a record is not just who has it but also how close the second best record is.
     
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    I think they matter. You make a good point about the extent to which one holds a record, but a record is a record nonetheless. Besides, given the way things have gone the last several years, it'd be a bit unusual for Federer to hold the ranking for just two weeks.
     
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    apparently it does. it seems kind of silly to me, tho.

    majors matter, it is what really matters.
     
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    Sampras is great, I like the guy.

    But the two weeks matter. It's about history and records and there is only one guy who has a shot at it.
     
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    Even if Federer doesn't break the record for weeks at #1, I think it will be obvious to everyone the quality of the competition. Look at what Sampras had to do in 1998 to scramble to get to the #1 ranking. He had to overcome Rios, Corretja, Rafter, Moya. Should Federer overtake Pete, it will mean he has overtaken Djokovic and Nadal. BIG difference! B-I-G difference.

    Yeah, and there is the matter of # of majors won:

    Federer 16 > Sampras 14.
     
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  6. Nathaniel_Near

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    Relax folks, ...
    To me, it means bugger all. A lot of Fed fans think this is important but I see this as just a 2 week difference. There isn't much difference between 285 286 287... they're all the same. An extra YEAR ending as no.1 though, that's a different story.
     
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    not really, just the fact he fell one single week short of equaling it and probabaly would have done had he played Shanghai in 2009 or MC in 2010.
     
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    you surely meant overrated? How can a guy who was a non-factor in 1/4 of the tennis season for 10+ years be underrated if he's repeatedly brought up in the GOAT discussions as a potential candidate...

    As far as weeks @ #1, it is only fitting that Federer should own the record, given the huge chasm in the achievements b/n Federer and Pete. Pete played mm tournaments to achieve the #1 rank in 1998 ahead of Rios; i only wish Federer had done something similar in 2010 to get that extra two weeks.
     
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    It doesn't matter to me. Strangely I think it does matter to Federer though. Even though he plays it off as though it isn't that important, I get the feeling that he wished he could have just held onto it in 2010.
     
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    It's quite inexplicable how he went into a complete lull AFTER winning AO and on a HC swing no less(losing to guys like Baghdatis,Gulbis,Berdych). Messed up the easy part. :(
     
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    Ah, but maybe we're not talking about a one or week-difference. Maybe we're talking about a total starting with 3.., and that would look pretty sexy on a resume, especially considering the fact that he already has a bigger starting figure than anyone else on the consecutive weeks at #1... ;)

    And, no to another poster, slams sure aren't the only things that matters. They're the one that matters most at the moment, but surely not the only one.
     
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    Legacy wise it doesnt matter, but Roger wants to be on top of Every single wiki and TW list there is. He likes to play for records
     
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  13. slice bh compliment

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    Good post. The top ranking is important, but....Weeks schmeeks.
    Actual tennis players do not think in these terms. Journalists might. Statisticians might. Fans might read into that, but, it's something the ATP made up.

    Slam titles, big tournament wins, Davis Cups and a champion's heart on and off the court....that's what I look at.
     
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    And going for another shot at #1 at 31 instead of just giving up and enjoying his pre-retirement (ahem, ala Sampras?) wouldn't fit into this category in your opinion? ;)
     
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    Hè never said that. I think it is fair to say that fed returning is more interesting in Itself than Those weeks
     
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    That's a no-no. Nobody, and I mean nobody (except for a few posters at TT, obviously) will ever tell you that Emerson is a better player than Laver or Borg.
     
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    Relax folks, ...
    I just hope that if he gets to no.1 he doesn't only get to 300 otherwise my memory of his record will be marred for life by that TERRIBLE film of the same title!
     
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  19. slice bh compliment

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    Hahha, of course. Love Pete....love Rog even more. But the number of weeks is the stuff of geeks.
    Allez Rog!
     
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    Whatever motivates a champ is his/her business. If wanting two more weeks at #1 is what gets Federer out of bed in the morning, good for him.
     
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  21. ledwix

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    Symbolically and in terms of enthusiast perception, the extra week matters. But in an objective sense, it's only a difference of 0.4% in terms of total time at the top and so is close to negligible.
     
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  22. nadalwon2012

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    The slams matter. If Federer continues to go slamless but still gets the number one ranking (as unlikely as that is, with the clay season upon us where Nadal/Djokovic are bound to dominate), nobody would care. All people will see is that Federer will retire without having won a slam since the 2010 AO. He will probably play another 4 years and end up retiring with no slams in his last 6 years. That would be long and bitter ending to his career, not made better by adding a couple of weeks of paper number one.
     
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    Everyone could do with an unexpected couple of weeks at #1. Even Federer.
     
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    It's one of the big records imo, it underlines the domination of a player in the respetive era. However I do not believe that should anyone overtake Sampras's records it would make his achievements less impressive. 2 Great champions, I am sure Sampras would be the first to congratulate Roger if he makes it (long way to go still and it could be his last chance to have a go at this).
     
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    I think Federer's motivation for being No.1 is not really for those 2 weeks but simply because he likes and wants to be up there, which should be natural if he is willing to stay competitive (and he clearly is).
     
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    You are a clown. Every match Federer wins adds to his legacy. If he plays 20 more years inside the top 10 but doesnt win a SLam anymore, would you call that bad for his resume?
     
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    Well for fans, those extra two weeks matter a lot. I wish to see Roger Federer beat Pete Sampras in the number of weeks as number one record as well
     
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    Well it depends on whom you ask.

    Personally I don't give a rat's *** about whether Fed's gonna get back to #1 or not and don't really understand all the hoopla about it, I feel the same way about Olympics this year when it comes to Fed.

    Now what I'd like to see is Fed wining another slam and overtaking Nadal at #2 increases his chances of achieving that by quite a bit (I'm sure I don't have to explain why) but getting back to #1 Wozniacki style (no slam title)? Don't really care.
     
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    Hey, as long as the fans enjoy watching a legend continue to play and Fed keeps loving the game, the only one that will be bitter is you!
     
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  30. nadalwon2012

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    No me. I enjoy Nadal beating Federer, and I therefore would enjoy 4, or 8 more year of Federer.
     
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    Of course they do. The Samprastards won't have anything left to hold on to:)

    On a serious note it just feels weird that Fed has almost every record out there except the very obvious one.
     
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    And the single-surface record of 81 straight wins (Nadal).
    Only male player in history to win Roland Garros, Wimbledon and US Open in the same year on 3 different surfaces (Nadal).
    And the only man to win a slam title 7 times (Sampras, Wimbledon).
    And the Golden (singles) Career Grand Slam (Nadal, Agassi).
    And being broken the fewest times in a US Open (Nadal, Roddick).
    And winning an event 7 straight times (Nadal).
    Only male player in the open era to win 21 consecutive grand slam matches within a calendar year (Nadal).
    Lost only six sets in winning the three titles namely French Open, Wimbledon & US Open (Nadal).
    Quickest player to reach 400 wins by playing less than 500 matches 401-91 (Nadal).
    Only man to win BOTH the Laureus Sportsman Award of the Year and Laureus Award for the World Newcomer of the Year (Nadal).
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    Consecutive match wins at Roland Garros (Nadal, 31).
    Quickest male player (losing fewest matches) in the Open Era to reach 200 clay-court wins (Nadal, 200–16).
     
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  33. dudeski

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    Federer already has a record of consecutive weeks at #1 at 237 vs 160 for previous record holder Jimmy Connors. Sampras only has 102. That plus following chart shows that Fed was much more dominant and deserving #1 and not just lucky to be barely #1 half of the time like Sampras:

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    A note or people who don't know this. Above chart is showing their ranking at the same age since they were born almost exactly 10 years apart. Also please note how much higher Federer's ranking points were in 2008 when he finished #2 behind Nadal and almost even #3 behind Novak, than Sampras in 1998 when he finished #1. Sampras was #1 in weak area.
     
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    Total weeks ranked number one is the grand prize.

    If Nadal can see off Djokovic, then maybe Nadal will eventually break the Sampras record.

    Nadal is on 102 weeks currently.

    Isner, Tomic and Raonic are not close to taking over the tour.

    Another record Nadal will very likely break is winning a slam (RG) 8 times (Sampras has 7 Wimbledons).

    Another the record for consecutive slam-winning years (8, Borg, Federer, Sampras). Nadal has 7 so far.
     
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    Not to forget:

    - The only tennis player in history to lose 3 consecutive GS finals.

    :mrgreen:
     
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    only player to win a slam and digging in his arse as much as many times as he served...

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    what a legend in trival pursuit records that Nadal...
     
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    He just had to beat Soderling at FO2010 to do it. I can't believe that the one time Soderling beat Roger, it had to be that match!

    I think it matters because it's only two weeks. If it had been maybe 10 or more, I wouldn't care. But to be so close, why not give it a shot, especially when you're still capable. Perhaps if Roger didn't start going after it, he'll regret it in retirement (and that's the last thing I'd wish on Roger in retirement: regrets).

    I like Pete (a lot) and it's kind of sad to see his records go after not even much time since his retirement, though.
     
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    This is trolling by the dictionary definition. Bringing nothing to discussion, just going about your Nadal obsession in a thread that has nothing to do with him. And then you have the nerve to ask why everyone is so hostile towards you?
     
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    Incidentally, did you watch Fed's post match on court interview yesterday. He was put on the spot and asked if he had to choose between slams, number 1 and OG what he would choose. Obviously he wants all 3 but he said "I guess if I had to choose it would be OG, why not"

    I think by now it's pretty unlikely though that Rafa or anyone will catch up to Fed in slams so perhaps Fed doesn't have that as his number 1 priority. Of course I'm sure like any champion, he wants it all and by the looks of things, he might just get his wish.
     
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    Love it! You sir win the internets!
     
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    Awesome :)
     
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    HAHAHAHAHAA Epic!
     
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    Too much Rafa hate in your system Gorecki :).

    One would think Rafa has either:

    a) Poisoned your puppies
    b) Stolen your life savings
    c) Made out with your prom date
     
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    It's a clever deception by Federer. He wants everyone to think that OG is his goal so he can clean up Wimbledon and the USO.:wink: This should be a great year for olympic tennis though. Murray and Djoker with conceivably their last shot at olympic gold.
     
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    i dont think its about those specific 2 weeks to get that record. its more about proving to himself that he can still do it
     
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    Rarely watch/read interviews (unless it was from Goran and Safin) but yes I think Fed has said how much the OG would mean to him several times recently but that's what he says in a press, actions speak louder than words.

    He was also saying in 2008 how much Olympics mean to him and then he want on to have his only career loss to James Blake.

    All this aside however, I was answering as his fan what I would want to most for him to achieve and getting back to #1 or winning OG is not high on that list.

    Eh, I wouldn't say that exactly. Nadal still has a decent chance to catch Fed's slam count, he made 4 slam finals in a row (came within a hair to winning the last one) so when it comes to slams he's on his game and was basically only stopped by one player, should Novak' drop the ball I wouldn't be surprised to see Nadal clean up.

    People just have very short memory around here and draw all sort of conclusions from Nadal's loss at IW, heck the guy lost to grandpa Ljubo there in 2010 and went on to win 3 slams that year.
     
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    LOL ! epic :)
     
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