Do The TennisLink Tiebreakers Make Sense?

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  1. Cindysphinx

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    On Tennislink, there are several columns that serve as tiebreakers in ranking teams.

    First is Individual Matches won. Second is Individual Matches lost.

    Is there any situation where individual matches lost can give you a different result from individual matches won?

    Seems redundant to me . . . .

    Oh, and do 10-point tiebreakers count as a Set Lost?
     
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  2. dgrave2

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    I'm not sure.. it does seem redundant and I don't know if it counts as a set lost (im sure i could count up all of the matches we won/lost to see but its too early for that haha) The thing I wish they would do is put what the score was from the tiebreak, not just a 1-0. I guess just to show how competitive that tiebreak was..
     
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  3. Nellie

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    Interestingly, in my region, by decision of the captains, the tie breakers count as a game and a set, so you will see it in the games won/loss column and in the sets won/loss column.

    Maybe the matches won/lost columns matter when there are uneven numbers of matches, such as when there are matches cancelled due to weather in outdoor leagues.
     
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  4. amarone

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    Having both columns is useful for preparing seeds when there are multiple subflights going into a playoff. The individual matches won/lost can differ across subflights if the subflights played different numbers of matches. Then we use percentage individual matches won as tie-breakers to determine the higher seed. It is useful to see 28/7 and 28/2 rather than just see two 28s and have to work out which is a better percentage.
     
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  5. ten10

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    Good questions.

    And what about if you opt to play a third set. That doesn't show up in Tennislink as anything but a 1-0, when the set could have been 7-5, or 7-6. How in the world does that compute in a person's dynamic rating?
     
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  6. amarone

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    We (Atlanta) always play a full third set and all the games are counted. As for the dynamic rating, if a match goes to three sets it is competitive, so I doubt that the third set score has any meaningful effect on the rating.
     
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  7. JavierLW

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    Dynamic ratings work off of games, not sets. So it just counts as the difference in one game. (doesnt mean that much rating wise)
     
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  8. JavierLW

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    Keep in mind that different areas may use their own methods for determining a winner, however tennislink is always going to look the same.

    In our area, the Individual matches are what counts to determine a winner. However since tennis link looks the same for everyone, it sorts the teams by team wins/losses. Meaning that sometimes the 2nd or 3rd team listed on tennislink is actually the winner, not the first team.

    And also like someone else said, sometimes you need to use percentages, not just matches won. In our league once there was 3 flights, where the winner of each would get to go onto the playoffs, and then the "best 2nd place team" would go on as well. Not all the flights played the same amount of matches so they had to go to percentages.
     
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    Good points Cindy. My biggest complaint is that head to head record is not a consideration in the tie-breaker. What's up with that?
     
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  10. Cindysphinx

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    Our league considered head-to-head as a tiebreaker. I think it was implemented a few years back on a vote of the captains. It was rescinded the next year.

    The trouble is that sometimes a strong team will not have its strongest players available against another strong team on a particular day. The fact that the team that was short some players lost does not mean they are the weaker team.

    A better proxy for overall strength is how many individual matches you win over the course of the season against all types of teams and players, IMHO.

    Of course, I may feel that way because when we played the No. 1 team in 6.5 combo this year, we lost. Not only were my best players unavailable, I didn't even have three 3.5s and had to field two weak 3.0s. Still, we lost 2-1, which is not half bad. Head-to-head is too much of a snapshot to give you a sense of the strength and depth you need to compete at Districts, IMHO.
     
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  11. ten10

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    Right, is if I win 6-0, 6-7, 6-2 or something my rating would be skewed, IMO because the 3rd set is reduced to a 1 game to 0 win.

    I think that does impact a rating.
     
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  12. Cindysphinx

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    You know, I think TennisLink stinks. Really. Why on earth shouldn't it be able to know the difference between 6-7, 7-6, 6-0? Beating someone 6-0 in a third set is very different from a tiebreaker, which could have been 15-13.
     
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  13. Topaz

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    Not sure how this works for you guys, but in our leagues, when it is a full third set, it goes into Tennislink as a full third set score (not 1-0).
     
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  14. ten10

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    Agreed, and while i have the stamina over most to play out a third set, I just don't see the point in doing it given the weight (or lack thereof) that the 3rd set is given ratings-wise.
     
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    Since Norcal allows teams to choose between a 3rd set or a 10-point tiebreak, there really is no choice (for us) but to enter the scores 1-0 either way. Otherwise the 3rd set choice would potentially impact the team standings.
     
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  16. ten10

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    Norcal and Texas are the exact areas I was thinking about with this. They are the only two areas I am familiar with and have never seen a 3rd set played out listed as anything other than 1-0.
     
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