Do the Williams sisters serve harder than Nadal?

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Is either V. or S. Williams a harder server than Nadal?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

    60.0%
  3. Both are about the same.

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  1. Claudius

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    I've always wondered whether they have stronger serves than Nadal. Do you think their serve are stronger?
     
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  2. Cesc Fabregas

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    No Nadal regulary serves above 120.
     
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  3. TBobLP

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    not at all
     
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  4. joeri888

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    Nadal serves hard!! Maybe the Rafa of 2005? I wouldn't know

    Btw, why do you have a poll? It's a question about facts, no?
     
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  5. Claudius

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    Not really. His first serves are usually around 110 mph.
     
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  6. thejoe

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    Not so much any more.
     
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  7. capriatifanatic

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    No but it could be pretty close. Nadal would destroy the Williams though. Heck he would destroy the early 2000s Wimbledon with double bagels, the current Williams he would probably win Golden sets against, even with bad knees.
     
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  8. TBobLP

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    most of his 1sts that ive ever seen or heard about were all over 120.
     
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  9. bhallic24

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    i'm pretty sure serena is a black man with boob implants just so he can dominate the women's tour and sneak into the women's locker room. so yes, he serves harder.
     
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  10. tudwell

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    http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/wimbledon08/columns/story?columnist=garber_greg&id=3472238

    Last year at Wimbledon Nadal averaged 115.

    Venus Williams averaged 116 mph in the Wimbledon semifinal last year.

    So on occasion, yes, they do.

    Edit:
    http://www.zimbio.com/tennis/articles/4140/Sports+Saturday+Empty+Streets+Venus+Williams
     
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  11. LanceStern

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    Theres nothing funny, cool, or witty about that.

    Anyways, yes they do serve harder than Nadal on occasion. It used to be a lot of the time, but now Nadal has beefed up his serve.

    Venus served harder than Nadal AND Federer at Wimbledon 07.
     
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  12. Clydey2times

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    Nadal's favourite serve is the slider out wide on the AD court. That brings the average speed way down. That is certainly not the way to measure service speeds.

    If we're talking flat serves, Nadal definitely serves harder.
     
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  13. tudwell

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    The question wasn't, "Who CAN serve harder?" It was, "Who DOES serve harder?"

    Usually, that's Nadal. Occasionally, it's Venus. Hell, in the Wimbledon 2008 semifinal, Federer averaged 117 mph on his first serve, compared to Venus's 116. She almost caught Federer, who's one of the best servers on the men's side.
     
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  14. Mafia13

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    ''It also is no surprise that Venus has enjoyed such success here, on a surface that rewards a massive serve like no other, because hers is a massive serve like no other. At Wimbledon last year Williams served 38 aces in seven matches, including one that equalled her record for the fastest serve on the women's tour of 129mph. In five of those matches her average first serve speed was 110mph or faster. To put that in context, the average speed of Rafael Nadal's first serve in the men's final was 112mph. She won 73% of the points on her first serve.''

    Even when Venus served at her very best she still didn't serve as fast as Nadal. Also you need to consider that Nadal's match went to 5, and it surely was a lot harder to serve consistently in a best of 5 sets compared to a best of 3. Even if Venus did have a higher average, Nadal's serve is so much tougher to return because of all the spin he usually puts on both his first and second serve. I've included a link to the article in which I found this info and an article in which the match stats for the murray-nadal match of Wimby 08 can be found and it states there that Nadal had an average first serve speed of 119 mph.
    http://www.wimbledon.org/en_GB/news/articles/2009-06-09/200906131244891979707.html
    and http://www.andy-murray.com/rafael-nadal-too-good-for-andy-murray/
     
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  15. Clydey2times

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    Yes, but you're missing the point. You can't discount the variables. Sometimes players don't try to serve hard. That is particularly true on the men's side. They will often hit a slice serve or a kicker. Women rarely use as much variety on the serve. If Federer hits 20 slice serves in a match and Venus hits 5 slice serves, Federer's average speed is going to be dragged way down.

    It's not like they are bombing down one flat serve after another. You can't measure who serves harder by their average first serve speed, even if we're talking about one occasion. Sometimes the players aren't going for speed, so it's pointless to measure it that way.
     
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  16. tudwell

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    Venus's fastest serve is 129 mph. Nadal's - as far as I can tell - is 131 mph. That's not a huge difference. And there aren't any averages there either.
     
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  17. Mansewerz

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    Nadal and Federer go more for placement and spin. Venus may be serving harder at times, but guess who has more aces....
     
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  18. I'm sure Nadal his hitting with much more spin than Venus. So Nadal's can be fast AND spinny, so therefore much harder to deal with. If Agassi had trouble dealing with it even three years ago I'm sure it's harder to deal with now. If Nadal had a cupcake serve he would be getting eaten alive. MPH just doesn't tell the whole story.
     
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  19. ChanceEncounter

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    What part of "harder" is that difficult to understand? :roll:

    Occasionally, Venus does serve just as hard or harder as the men. It has nothing to do with how good the serve in question is.
     
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  20. Clydey2times

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    I'm not saying that she can't serve as hard as Nadal occasionally. I'm saying that measuring based on average speed is never the way to go.
     
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  21. 35ft6

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    Venus has a fast serve, but Nadal can serve just as fast PLUS with a lot of action on it. Pretty sure he's hit into the mid-130's.
     
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  22. Andres

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    I have Nadal at 134 mph.
     
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  23. jimbo333

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    No, not normally they don't, but sometimes yes:)
     
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  24. NamRanger

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    Nadal's serve most likely has about 1000 more rpms on it.
     
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