Do you believe Fed can break Martina N's 9 Wimbledon crowns record...........?

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Do you believe Fed break Martina N's 9 Wimbledon crowns record...........?

Poll closed Oct 9, 2008.
  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. Unsure

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  1. FedSampras

    FedSampras Semi-Pro

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    MN is the widely regarded as the greatest female Wimbledon champ and GOAT of women's tennis.........while Fed is the soon to be GOAT of men's tennis..............
    Fed is only 26 and only needs to win 5 more Wimby's to break MN's record..........
    I think he can do it....:D

    MN

    W (1978, 1979, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1990)

    FED

    W (2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007)
     
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  2. krprunitennis2

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    Five years seems a lot to me. =] Don't forget how Nadal pushed Federer to 5 sets last Wimbledon.
     
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  3. Steve132

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    It's possible, but it would be very, very difficult.
     
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  4. caulcano

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    I highly doubt it. Maybe end up with 7 or 8.

    I think the men's game have is much harder because they play more sets & the depth of tennis is greater. Therefore, imho, it is much harder to dominate on the men's tour (past stats clearly indicate this aswell).
     
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  5. MEAC_ALLAMERICAN

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    I think Federer can break her record, but I voted unsure. Also, I think the only record on Federer's mind is #15.
     
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  6. noeledmonds

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    This seems very unlikely. Federer has probabely already reached or neared his peak. He may not beat Sampras's male record of 7 Wimbledons, never mind Navratilova's record. If the competition continues to close on Federer on grass then I think that 6 or 7 titles is more reasonable. If you don't win your first title until you are 21 years old then it is difficult to still be winning in 9 years, when you are over 30 years old and I don't see Federer (or indeed anyone for a very long time) having the longitivity of Navratilova.
     
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  7. justineheninhoogenbandfan

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    He will win 8 I think. I would be happy with more but I am guessing 8. I dont agree he has reached his peak. He can still definitely improve more.
     
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  8. Ossric

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    Scary thought for the rest of the men's tour to think he's not yet at his peak.
     
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  9. Rhino

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    If he does there will be no more 'who is the goat?' threads.
     
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  10. caulcano

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    Well if Federer does win 9 or more Wimbledon titles, but doesn't capture a FO title, then there willl always be people out there who would argue that he doesn't quite make GOAT status (even though at that stage, he'd have at least 16 GS titles).
     
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  11. FedSampras

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    He will most probably break #15 next year........ I think he will go after the MN's records after that..........:D
     
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  12. quest01

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    Anything is possible but the chances Federer wins 9 straight is unlikely. Martina had very little competition during her quest for 9 straight Wimbys. So i would actually put Federers 5 straight at a higher level then Martinas 9 straight right now because of the stiffer compeition Federer encountered.
     
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  13. federerfanatic

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    That is an unfair statement IMO. Navratilova had competition, ever hear of someone named Chris Evert. Hana Mandlikova was arguably harder competition on grass per gender then anyone Federer faces (note I said arguably).
     
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  14. rogerfederer26

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    Absolutely True.
     
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  15. superstition

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    People who think Martina had a cakewalk should remember that she played Seles and Graf in her 30s and lost more matches than she won against Goolagong in the 70s. Martina simply worked extremely hard to be as fit as possible. Take a look at some of the photos from the mid 80s where she had only a tiny bit of body fat. She also played Evert when Evert was in her prime. Evert won a record clay court streak even while Martina was at her peak. Sabatini should have knocked Graf out of the 1987 French Open in the semis and blew a 5-2 lead in the third, and Martina did the same thing in the final. There was tough competition in a player like Graf who could win two consecutive matches after being down 2-5 in the final set.

    Martina never beat Conchita Martinez, the woman who beat her in the 1994 Wimbledon final (it would have been her 10th title). She was on her way to doing do, but lost her rhythm when Conchita took a gamesmanship injury timeout. Martinez, during that year, had a perfect foil game for Martina's net play with her loopy topspin shots and lobs.

    What's really amazing about Martina isn't just her work ethic, but her ability to beat some of the game's best players in history, like Seles, and Graf, in her 30s. If she had had better "modern" training/diet years before she did, she probably would have 13 Wimbledon titles.
     
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  16. AM28143

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    I suppose it is possible, but very unlikely. My prediction is he will end up with 7. One next year, and then another one in 2010 or 2011.
     
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  17. ATPballkid

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    LONGETIVITY. This is one area where Martina Navratilova is truly making a name for herself in addition to her GREAT DOMINANCE of the early to mid 1980s. Navratilova began playing women's tennis professionally in the early 1970s and was in her last Grand Slam singles final over 20 years later in 1994. She won a Grand Slam mixed doubles title at the 2003 Australian Open some 30 years after she started playing professional tennis. Evert had great longevity which spanned some 18 years between the early 1970s and the late 1980s. Wills Moody had excellent longevity as well with her greatness spanning about 16 years from the early to mid 1920s until almost 1940.
     
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  18. ATPballkid

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    Here's the list of the Greats that Navratilova had to play with:

    Billie Jean King
    Margaret Court
    Evonne Goolagong
    Virginia Wade
    Tracy Austin
    Hana Mandlikova
    Andrea Jaeger
    Wendy Turnbull
    Steffi Graf
    Claudia Kohde-Kilsch
    Gabriela Sabatini
    Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario
    Monica Seles
    Jennifer Capriati
    Zina Garrison

    These 15 players along with Evert and Navratilova themselves make up over half of the top 30 players in women's tennis during the Open Era.
     
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  19. Vision84

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    Federer is not getting much better as he has pretty much peaked and is getting older so it will be harder for him to stay at his level. I also see the other players getting older and stronger and catching up to Federer. I don't see Federer managing to pull out 4 more Wimbledon titles.
     
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  20. Rhino

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    Thats because Navratilova played for such a long time.
    She won her first professional singles title in 1974 at the age of 17. She won her last singles match at Wimbledon in 2004, aged 47 years and 8 months, so that covers about 80% of the open era.
     
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  21. VikingSamurai

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    For me. Its not the #15 I want to see.. I would like to see him win the AO in the new year, because to have won 3 of the 4 for 4 years strait would have to equal Borgs 2 of 4 5 years strait surely?
     
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  22. Rhino

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    Yeah it would, but people will just say Borg only played one AO, etc, blah, blah. But if hard courts were his thing he'd have won the US Open. As ever it's hard to compare eras, and even harder to compare mens and womens achievements.
     
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  23. Rhino

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    Btw, for anyone who cares, it's Martinas Navratilovas birthday tomorrow, she turns 51. Happy Birthday Martina!
     
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  24. federerfanatic

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    Exactly! I have no problem with people pointing out factors to give players of past due credit, however it is funny how past players get every benefit of doubt to some people as to what they "should" have won or "would" have won.
     
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  25. ATPballkid

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    Martina Navratilova's longevity and consistency is evident when you consider that she was able to rank:

    20 consecutive years in the top 10.
    19 consecutive years in the top 5.
    17 consecutive years in the top 4.
    14 consecutive years in the top 3.
    8 consecutive years in the top 2.

    The only player in the Open Era who comes close to this is Chris Evert with 12 or 13 consecutive years in the top 2 and something like 15 consecutive years in the top 3.
     
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  26. VikingSamurai

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    I thought this was about Fed?
     
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  27. Big Fed

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    If fed plays like another 8 years then definatily.
     
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  28. edmondsm

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    Martina started winning so much younger than Fed did, didn't she? To lazy to look it up. Could he really win another 4 Wimbledons? I have a hard time seeing it.
     
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  29. soyizgood

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    If they keep slowing the grass at Wimbledon, then he won't. At the same time, Federer is the grass master and for as long the clay and hard-court guys are content to defend their turf, Federer could win a few more. But, assuming he breaks Sampras' record for overall slams, he might not be so hungry to win any more.

    I think Federer is more focused on the French Open than he is on Wimbledon. If he somehow wins the AO and FO next year, Wimbledon would be his chance to get the 15th slam, so in that case my money would be on him to win it a 6th straight year.
     
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  30. caulcano

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    IMHO, you can achieve/dominate more on the women's tour than the men's tour.
     
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  31. superstition

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    Right. Look at Sampras. He certainly didn't dominate. Federer is being beaten 50% of the time by Roddick. And, right now, Sharapova is winning every tournament.
     
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  32. FedForGOAT

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    WHAT!!?!!?!!!
     
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  33. tbini87

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    i think it is possible for fed, but it would be very difficult. however, looking at his record so far, if he stays in good health he might have a shot. only time will tell!
     
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  34. noeledmonds

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    But the AO was on grass when Borg played not hard courts. Borg would have had every chance of winning several titles. Anyway it was not hard courts that Borg struggled with, it was the American crowds and late night sessions under the lights. Borg performed extremely well on hard courts outside the USA. Remember Borg lost 2 of his USO finals on green clay anyway not hard courts.
     
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  35. Wuornos

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    Absolutely. Not only over half of the top 30 but eight of what I would consider the top 10 excluding Martina herself. The only two I have in my top 10 who are not on this list are Serena Williams and Martina Hingis.

    Good point well made ATP.

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  36. Eviscerator

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    There is nothing to break unless Federer has a sex change operation and competes on the WTA.
     
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  37. FedSampras

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    well said...........:D
     
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  38. FedSampras

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    Fed is just as dominant as Navi or Evert were in their primes....
     
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  39. Tennis-Chris

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    Ahhhhh, since it's ONLY 5 MORE Wimbledon Championships let's throw in another 6 or 7 US Opens and 8 more Australians for the heck of it. He will probably add 3 (only) French Open's to that total since he has had limited success there so far.

    Let's not underestimate the difficulty in winning a Grand Slam. Federer is great and I am a big fan but with each win it becomes more difficult - while RF is only 26 time is working against him.:mrgreen:
     
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