Do you consider Nadal a pusher

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  1. Goldie

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    Most of the time he looks all defense, match point today, he stepped up!
     
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  2. Andres

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    He's not a pusher.
    He blasts winners from the baseline, passing shots, lobs, dropshots, and he has a good net game.

    He's simply a human backboard. He doesn't simply push the ball back in play, he plays offense from the defense. He can hit winners off his backhand or forehand from anywhere in the court. Hiis backhand passing shot on the run is lethal.
     
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  3. Max G.

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    No, not at all. His spin is deadly, and he can play offense whenever he wants to.
     
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  4. Shabazza

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    He's so confident in his defense and his ability to turn it into offense, that he doesn't need to dictate the rallys most of the time - he's certainly no pusher!
     
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  5. Saito

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    He's not a push..... he does play alot of percentage tennis.
     
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  6. edberg505

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    Whoa, whoa, whoa, I agreed with everything except good net game. That he does not have.

    Yeah, and that running backhand is good. But I think Fed should have seen if he could go down the line with it. I think 99.99999% were crosscourt.
     
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    He does have a good net game. I mean, he's certainly not Rafter, or Edberg, but when he goes to the net, he knows what to do. He nets or misshits volleys about 10% of the times Rodicck does it.

    Maybe good, isn't the right word. OK or decent, is it better?

    If his volleys are just "decent", mine are absolutely CRAP, horrendous, hideous and disgusting.
     
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  8. VamosRafa

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    He has a net game; you just have to watch his doubles matches to see it.

    But he doesn't like to use it unless necessary. But I think it's something he'll continue to work on, and probably after the clay season, he'll play more doubles.
     
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  9. edberg505

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    Well the reason his net percentage is high is because he hits such a good approach shot that all he has to do is put away the volley. so in that aspect yes he is a good volleyer.
     
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  10. Turning Pro

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    No,i consider NAdal a Federer beater
     
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  11. Chadwixx

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    Alot of people who throw around the term pusher have no idea how hard nadal really hits the ball. Once you see them play in real life you will realize their hasnt been a pusher on the atp tour since gilbert retired.

    Nadal has very good volleys in my opinion. By edbergs logic, sampras didnt have great volleys either cause his approach/serve set up the point. Most great volley'rs have good approaches, half the key to their success.
     
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  12. ShooterMcMarco

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    Nadal can turn defense to offense just as well as anyone on tour, I don't think hes a pusher.
     
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  13. edberg505

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    No, most great volleyers have great volleys. You think Edberg had great approach shots? Then you've obviously never seen him play. Whenever he got the opportunity he came in, regardless of how crappy of an approach shot he hit. Same for Sampras. Of course Sampras had his great serve to allow him to get in. Besides if Nadal was such a great volleyer then he surely should have beaten Muller at Wimbledon using his superb volleying skills.
     
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  14. Chadwixx

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    Edberg had a great kick serve and one of the smoothest backhand approaches i have ever seen. The key to the approach is the depth and edberg did that as well as anyone has. Rafter on the other hand just hit the ball and came in.

    Nadal is a kid still, you know as well as i do that kids/women dont come to net. Give him a few years and see how his game develops. Watching a few pts of the fed/nad match showed he isnt agassi like up there.
     
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  15. Shabazza

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    he has some net game, but his form is "unusual" to say the least - still seems to work for him, he just has incredible reflexes ;)
     
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  16. mileslong

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    nadals net game is no better that roddicks. he does not hit the ball that hard either, liek someone mentioned he is a human backboard. he will never win wimbledon or probably the us open with his game however...
     
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    I'm sorry but edberg505 on this one as well... I watched Nadal play Davis Cup doubles and you are right... he has a net game... for doubles. But as for singles, when I think about a net game, I include settting up a point to get to the net. Nadal does not do that. He relies heavily on his footwork and chases down every ball from the baseline. I hardly see him attack at the net, as he is busy trying to bash away winners from the baseline. It's not a bad thing that he doesn't have a net game, because that's not where his strengths lie. It's why he can't win on grass.
     
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  18. tlm

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    Nadal is a fed pusher over!
     
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    Hey tlm, quit trolling, lets give it sometime, when its 10-1 Rafa, then u can talk smack.
     
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  20. tlm

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    Why is it the fed fans can talk smack all day long.What do you mean by trolling? What i read here is fed is the god of tennis,the best of all time.Then how is it a 19 year old with no serve is 4+1 against him.

    I almost forgot a one dimensional 19 year old.I have heard a million excuses when fed loses.But the facts are nadal 4 fed 1.Sure fed is more consistent beating the rest of the mens players,but until he can get the upper hand on nadal i will say nadal is better.
     
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  21. wyutani

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    nadal is better cos its clay...if you've noticed...
     
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  22. SCSI

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    What the hell is wrong with you, people? First, Nadal is not a pusher. While he can play great defense, he is more like a aggressive baseliner. Against most players, he can dictate vast majority of points played. Second, Nadal can volley way better than Roddick. Nadal rarely makes mistakes at the net and he almost always seems to play the right shots close to the net. Plus, his court sense as well as technique is much superior to Roddick.
    If you think someone who doesn't serve and volley is a pusher, then Nadal is a pusher, as Borg and Agassi are.
     
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  23. Saito

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    Uhhh did you read all the posts, or just some?
     
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  24. tlm

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    Out of nadals 4 wins only 2 are on clay,i will give fed credit for making it a match, i thought nadal was going to take it in 3.
     
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  25. slice bh compliment

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    Hahahha. Only someone who tries to front as a total purist, who hangs around at a theoretical tennis club in cyberspace....would suggest Rafa is a pusher. Please. Troll.

    To anyone who would like to throw the pusher tag on a player like Nadal: go play a LOT of tennis, learn the culture through winning, losing and playing. Not from a forum.
     
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  26. superman1

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    You're a fool if you think he's a pusher.

    He hits the ball VERY hard. He hit 40 something winners today. You don't hit 40 winners against FEDERER by just pushing the ball. Pushers do not have big muscles and they do not scream everytime they hit the ball. By calling him a pusher, you are insulting every single player on the planet, since he can beat every single one of them.

    You're also a fool if you think Nadal is better than Federer.
     
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  27. Shabazza

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    Is D. Young a pusher?
     
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  28. wyutani

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    nay, more like counter-puncher...lolz....i mean, everyone start out as pushers, then their game develpoed and some chose baseliner, some s&v...you know...
     
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  29. Shabazza

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    lol I know I was just being sarcastic, to show how stupid those questions are ;)
     
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  30. wyutani

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    lolz, haha...yep, i agree :rolleyes:
     
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  31. tlm

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    Ya did you see that push he made to win the match,with the tie break at 6-5 he rips a screaming forehand that paints the line to win the match.That really looked like a pusher.

    Thats the thing that never changes with fed fans no matter how fed gets beat there is always some b.s. to fall back on.
     
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  32. barry

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    Define Pusher

    1-A player who plays percentage tennis
    2-A player who wins more points off his opponent errors
    3-A player who does not go for many outright winners

    Nadal fits! Yes you could classify him as a pusher! Nadal and Hewitt's games are very similar, but Hewitt volleys a little better.
    Federer goes for more, and therefore is not a pusher. Between the two, I think Federer game is cleary better and he will win more tournaments than Nadal.
     
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  33. Tchocky

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    How could anyone ever call Nadal a pusher? If he is a pusher, then we should all be pushers.
     
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    Damn, I wish I could be a pusher like that. Or even one tenth as good.
     
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  35. barry

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    How would you define a pusher? To me a pusher is not negative, just a smarter way to play.
     
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