Do you know anyone with a faster weave than me? (51 sec. video)

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  1. Irvin

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    Your right my bad. Under 10 (for speed stringing) is good but it won't set any records.
     
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  2. nathannguyen

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    It sounds like you are very experienced and I forgot to ask you in my last post:
    What's the fastest time you've seen a racquet strung from mount to unmount? and the most you've seen in an hour?
     
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  3. bluegrass_stringer

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    That all depends on what you consider "strung" ? If you are talking about someone just trying to get every string tensioned without care for quality, then people have done it in 6-7 minutes. In terms of people putting quality and consistency as the upmost priority, then you are looking at 10-12 minutes depending on pattern. I string with quality and consistency as the priority ( as it always should be) and I probably average 15 minutes, going smoothly. Sometimes when people try to string fast, it can actually slow them down. Going smooth is the key.
     
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  4. gkamieneski

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    Funny, times don't lie, but our friend seemed faster at weaving crosses. At least that is how it looked to me.
     
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  5. Sparkyovcov

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    I think your speed is great and sure the quality if fine too. I wish I could go faster and complete a good restring.
    In relation to a previous post of mine I am yet to see a speed stringer use the Diablo correctly......so, what is the tension and playing quality of these rackets after?
    You can 'cut corners ' to go fast but does the racket hold up to taking your time?
     
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  6. bluegrass_stringer

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    Dude, if you string it in under 20 min on the MRT test you dont' get the full amount of points. You have to string in 20-45 minutes. And you don't want to rush on your practical. This is just a random dude weaving crosses in the best case scenario ( open pattern, top crosses, nylon string) who is obsessed with speed.
     
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  7. diredesire

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    Eh. The only thing that bothers me is that he uses "professional level speed," which is a silly metric. Many extremely experienced pros sustain 20-30 min times, but if you can turn it up and crank one out in sub 15, sub 12 maybe, it's fine if you need to get one out the door. The emphasis as a pro should be consistency and overall quality. This is different if you're a "pro" cranking out frames all day in non-critical manner (read as: factory stringer).

    As long as we're all on the same page where quality and consistency comes first, it's not definitively a bad/wrong thing to be "obsessed" with speed. I'm not going to judge someone if that's their personal interest. It might have limited usefulness in the real world, but I'm not going to put down someone who is working towards something. So: Eh.

    It should be noted that the Diablo only needs to be wrapped if it's fixed. If it is free spinning, it's more used for aligning to the jaws, not really to take any force off the jaws. I don't recall if a Star 5 is fixed (anyone?), but it may not necessarily be wrong not to wrap.
     
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  8. Irvin

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    Star5 is fixed, it is not necessary to wrap but when you don't there will be more pressure by the linear gripper to hold the string. It is easy to see this with a soft multi, when you wrap there's no ghosting. Same string and tension without wrapping and you will have ghosting.
     
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  9. nathannguyen

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    I agree wholeheartedly. I speed string solely for fun to test out how efficient my constantly evolving method is. Efficiency is the ultimate goal.

    And you may be correct. I know for a fact it is possible to top my weaves by 15%.

    It is even easier to see on prime gut. I always use the diablo for the strings that ghost and princes with o-ports.
     
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  10. zapvor

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    thats still super fast
     
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  11. zapvor

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    dont listen to the haters, they havent provided any proof. your are fastttttt

    i can say i did my prestige mid 18x20 all poly 1.30mm in 6:11. but you brought proof.
     
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  12. Irvin

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    Unlike most speed stringing threads you don't have unsubstantiated claims that keep getting faster and faster until the thread dies (the sooner the better.) Nathan is simply asking a question and IMO the answer is yes he appears to be very fast.
     
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  13. azn_lefty_roddick_jr

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    I like, and share your viewpoint as well! I believe there is a "window" for the ideal blend of quality, consistency, and speed; too quick, and the string bed must suffer in some way as a result. Going smoothly, I also fall in the 15-20 minute range. I suppose I could speed it up and fall into the sub-10 minute range, but I don't feel comfortable nor confident that I can produce 3-4 identical string beds for each of my individual boys like that.

    Don't worry, I'm not implying that I'm going to string a frame in 15 minutes for my MRT certification test! I already know of the scoring system - maximum 1 hour, 20-45 minutes for maximum points. Also, I like to pace myself even more carefully when stringing gut, which will be the case when I do test. Thanks!

    Not as fast as the tour-level stringers, which is how I'd like to try and replicate their speed and consistency! :(

    Also, I'm sure I never finish EVERY frame in 14:58 - I like to time myself once every year on a random frame and string job, to see if there is any notable improvement in time without drop in consistency.

    I finish each in more like 25 minutes... I like to take a long time to straighten my crosses once they're off the machine; too much perfectionism. :/ I also work at a tennis center during the summer and weekends, and there is a co-worker who everybody says can string 5 frames every hour... I can't even fathom how that can be done. Unfortunately, he doesn't work there very often anymore, so I can't observe his technique to see how he does it.
     
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  14. azn_lefty_roddick_jr

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    Thanks! I'd love to see how you string if it were to happen; I try and adopt a trick from every stringer I observe into my own work as I see fit, and as long as I feel that it won't intrude on quality.
     
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  15. nathannguyen

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    Thanks for the concern, pal! After the discovery of Noah's ark led me to have a much stronger belief in anecdotes.

    I spend about two minutes with the straightening awl after and proceed to hand straighten for a minute. After straightening 16k+ racquets, I can tell you this is important. My coworkers would look at the crosses and can tell I did that racquet in seconds. This is a great signature and provides an even amount of string contact between ball and strings.

    12 of my 15 coworkers can string 5 racquets an hour correctly when needed.
    A handful can string 6.
    One can string 7 and 3/4th racquets when given a perfect situation of 8 Wilson 16x15 racquets with multis.
    Realizing how big your tank truly is is essential to growth.




    Compare the time spent on the tension head between the elite stringer and me. I'm on there 2-4x longer. I easily have access to an RDS machine and I know with absolute certainty my racquet will come off the machine with a higher string bed stiffness every time. If this is what quality means, then my method is superior. I can't wait to show you all the tricks I've got because I can clearly see the passion you have.
     
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  16. drakulie

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    how many employees work at that store?? 15 people stringing is nearly as many stringers as there is needed at majors. I would imagine your store is doing over 2,000 plus racquets a week?. This makes zero sense to me.
     
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  17. nathannguyen

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  18. taurussable

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    very fast indeed. do you have video show you working on fixed clamp drop weight machine?
     
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  19. nathannguyen

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    Woops, misread the question. Over 120 employees in various departments. We have about 8-10 stringers on duty a day so we're usually not going over 2k a week unless it's Christmas or black Friday.
     
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  20. drakulie

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    that doesn't answer my question, but I could tell you that nearly every frame I see from that store is poorly strung.

    anyway, the weaves you completed are very fast.
     
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  21. gkamieneski

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    So you are stringing for much more than just the customers at the brick and mortar? Perhaps be up front about that to answer the question of many as to why so many stringers are needed.

    Also, if indeed these racquets are being shipped out, there may be different opinions about the efficacy of speed stringing.
     
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  22. Booger

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    How many frames did it take before you started getting really fast?
     
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  23. nathannguyen

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    Check the initials on the label located in the throat and let me know so I can poke fun at them.

    Thanks! I saw your speed stringing video just before I started learning how to string and I'm sure I subconsciously learned the index finger push weave from you. I could've been a middle finger pull weaver like my local stringer was /shiver. And you taught me to use a cam action clamp!
    Thanks a million

    These racquets are getting shipped out. Some bad, some great. I'd imagine it'd be the same for any large online retailer.

    Around 12,000 racquets I was sure I could at least compete with the fastest.
     
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  24. drakulie

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    LOL. Will do.

    For the most part, many of the string jobs have knots that aren't properly tied off or tails that are an inch long.

    I see a lot of mis-weaves and cross-overs outside the frame.

    Extremely loose string jobs, etc.

    Anyway, look forward to seeing more of your videos. Good luck.
     
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  25. gkamieneski

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    So are you doing any for local customers, i.e., does your store have a physical presence? If so, any customer like me, standing around and asking you how you like the Star 5, will surely slow down your stringing times.
     
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    ahh. wow thats a huge operation. its easy to poke at your mistakes and all but given the amount you do in the amount of time, big props. these other guys has no idea, except drak since he works as a stringer too.

    stringing is kind of like like a sprint. you are constantly working, non stop. except the sprint is like 6hours straight. i like to see someone just stand in one spot for 6 straight hours, non stop, and have fingers moving constantly. not even stringing. just stand there and move their hands. some people
     
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    Nathan, since it takes me as long to do one cross as it takes you to do all the crosses, I'm in awe. What type of string were you stringing, and are you slower with say shaped polys than with syngut or multis?
     
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  28. zapvor

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    he touched on your questions reads the last few pages
     
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  29. Steve Huff

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    I was impressed. Not only by the speed, but you make it look so easy. Thanks for sharing.
     
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  30. zapvor

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    so i did a similar experiment. i think i am as fast as nathan:)
     
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  31. gamerluke

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    I think I'm actually faster than Nathan, but unfortunately all my power, internet, cellular, etc. are down and my video camera exploded just before I could record it. Sorry guys!
     
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    On the tour what is the average per hour, per day, surely you cannot work at that speed all day? I could do it once, maybe, but not one after the other.
     
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    I have to see it before i believe it.
     
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  35. zapvor

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    why is it in .25 increments
     
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