Do you think Nadal will try the new Steam?

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  1. sandiegoman

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    Do you think his spin will increase?
     
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  2. v-verb

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    Probably already has
     
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    LOL (and I don't normally use lol, but this warrants it). Nadal has a sweet deal with aeropro drive, his contract is massive, the thing he's been using for the last 8 years or so with 11 GS titles. I don't think he would even think about leaving babolat.

    The man aligns his water bottles a certain way, you don't think he's particular or feels similar to his own personal equipment?
     
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  4. carlosoki

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    Absolutely no.

    I donĀ“t think Steam 99s is for an ATP player. I think is buit for club players.
     
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  5. AbsoluTennis

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    Pros create speed with their technique and athletics...they will never use 16/15.
    actually i d like to know how many players of the top 100 play 18/20 and how many 16/19 or 20....
     
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  6. Radical7

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    I do not think Nadal will ever split with Babolat, does he not have a lifetime contract like Fed and Wilson?

    However I disagree about pros in general, If the Spin Effects technology catches on other companies, such as Babolat, will put out a racquet with a similar string pattern.

    Also there are pros such as Kvitova and Nishikori who use the older steam. As long as it isn't some 105 square inch slingshot, there will be pros using it.
     
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    Agreed, it's the Indian rather than the arrow that counts..... or in this case the Spaniard rather than the racquet. Silly string pattern fads are no replacement fir proper technique and good old RHS.
     
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  9. sureshs

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    What about that doubles guy
     
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  10. Rock Strongo

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    Mark Woodforde?

    He actually used and still uses a racquet with a (get this) 12x13 string pattern!
     
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  11. ChicagoJack

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    1. Mark Woodforde played with a Frankenracquet inspired by his old Snauwert Hi-Ten built from a PS 7.5 mold with a custom 12 x 16 drill pattern.

    2. While there have been many open pattern frames made in the graphite era, to the best of my knowledge, there are no current or past frames with fewer crosses than mains. If fewer crosses than mains doesn't register like an earth shattering event, I've no problem with that, but it is the key distinction here. Open patterns of the past were born out of the ancient wisdom (Mid 80's to 2005), that ball to string friction ball "bite" is the primary way to increase spin. Recent studies 2005-2011 conclude that ball "bite" matters only if the strings are moving. Reducing the number of crosses, dramatically reduces inter string friction, and promotes string movement.

    3. I have posted about this in much greater detail here.

    - Jack
     
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  12. pshulam

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    At the same token, increased string movement lowers longevity/lifespan of the string.
     
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  13. cknobman

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    Not really an issue with polyester string.

    If you research the Steam 99S and the string pattern you will find out that Wilson developed it specifically for polyester strings.
     
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  14. DownTheLineWith90

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    I wish he tried it with RPM at 15 gauge.
    Spin of insanity right there..
     
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    If he likes it, he would advise Bab to put out a new racquet called the "Fire" with a similar string pattern.:)
     
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  16. mad dog1

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    actually, it would be "El Fuego".
     
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  17. SteveI

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    I am sure it would increase his spin... the only problem is he needs to find a way to get back on the court long term. I guess the 1st course of action would be to play shorter points, lose some muscle (stop taking whatever PEDS he is taking) and get his joints back to normal. Once he stops taking the PEDS his rarking will fall and he will have to leave the tour. Stick a fork in him.. he is done. Fed will be playing until he is 40....Rafa will be lucky to play into his 30s. He should be with Wilson... not using the Steam... but the Juice...:twisted:
     
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  18. yonexRx32

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    I am sure that a LOOOOOOT of RESEARCH :rolleyes: has gone into that racket and that there are countless 99s fans ready to educate us on that and the fact that we need to buy very many of them. They, the 99s fans, have already figured out that Nadal has tried it out :rolleyes:. No doubt Kim Kardashian will try it next .. That Wilson developed the racket specifically for polyester says a lot. We're talking rocket science here .. bottle rocket that is.
     
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  19. cknobman

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    LOL yonex.

    Im not promoting the 99s, saying I buy into the marketing, or trying to imply anyone notable has tried it or will try it.

    I did watch one of the Wilson promo videos for the 99s and the new "spin effect" technology.

    Their explanation was that polyester strings move more freely and snap back into position after making impact with the ball. That is why players dont have to "adjust" their poly strings in between points as much when compared to non polyester string. Ball impact makes all string move but non polyesters dont move back into their original positions like polyesters do which ends up making the strings be out of position after rallies.

    So Wilsons thought was making a less dense string pattern and using a polyester string would allow the string to move even more. Since the string could move more it would impart more spin on the ball because it snapped back more.

    You can go watch Wilsons video explaining it all its too much for me to type here.
    Again not saying I am promoting it, I am just explaining Wilsons reasoning for it.
     
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  20. maverick1981

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    the pros are cover men for the company marketing. who knows what sticks they really use - they paint their real stick to match the company they are contracted with. happens all the time.

    However for the 99s case - lets see if Wilson can get a pro player to actually use it, hard to disguise the string pattern!
     
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  21. yonexRx32

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    Hi cknobman,
    Polys have been around for many years and at least during the past 5-6 years have been very popular. Wilson did not discover how the polys work. Everybody notticed they snap back in place. Also, everyone knew that less dense string patterns promote spin. Therefore there is really nothing new here. Snauwaert had a 12mx13c racket 30 years ago. There is a company out there that has marketed rackets with very similar (14mx16c) specs for years. That's why I suspect some of the WOW factor is disingenuous.

    Not saying that you are promoting it, but there is definitely a concerted effort on these boards to promote these rackets. Given the number of discussions and how they are initiated (eg. do you think Nadal will try it?) it lis likely that either the manufacturer or the distributors have enlisted people to bombard the boards with the message that this is somehow earth shattering technology. 12 months from now these new rackets will sell for pennies on the dollar on auction sites when the general public will notice that
    a) Nadal doesn't use them, Federer doesn't use them, no pro will use them
    (a simple paint job won't hide the string bed)
    b) run of the mill players can't use them because the wrist action required to produce the lift and spin necessary to keep the ball in the court is not included in the price tag.
    c) anybody can string an 18x20 racket to 14x16 or even 14x12 if he/she wishes to do so.
     
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  22. sundaypunch

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    I think that Nadal has enough clout at Babolat to get frames with any drill pattern he would want to try.
     
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  23. v-verb

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    I was thinking the same thing...
     
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  24. v-verb

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    Good points but wouldn't stringing a 18 x 20 to say 16 x 15 stress the frame somehow? Just wondering and apologies if this is a stupid question.

    I do have an old Wilson Hammer that I might do this to but I'm probably a month away from stringing it
     
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  26. yonexRx32

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    I wouldn't think so if you keep the tension reasonable, but don't blame me if you crack your frame, it's just an opinion. I plan on testing the hypothesis when I get a chance. On someone else's tip, I have skipped crosses on rackets before, to soften the string bed but it was one or two crosses, not four or six, and I haven't experimented with the mains. I have even a wood racket where I skipped a cross and it is fine thank you, no warping.
     
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  27. v-verb

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    Thanks yonexRx32!

    no worries it's a Hammer 2.7 I got for $5 at a garage sale so not a biggie. I'm planning using poly 17 ga at 30-35 lbs. So it shouldn't stress the hoop a ton.

    Probably 16 x 15 and I'll be judicious with the strings I skip, so it looks like it will be as even in stress as possible

    Cheers
     
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  28. Rafaboy

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    what if i just loosen the crosses on my APD? would that have a similar effect?

    Because in order for advanced spin technique, you need a head light racket like the APD, whereas i think the 99s would hinder my head speed.
     
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  29. davidl7

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    I would hold off until there are more high level players using the 99S. You need to use 15g string to have control and tension maintenance. Currently not too many selections for 15g poly. Lux 4G is not a spin string, they need to make Lux Original in 15g for this rac.

    Rumor has it that, Wilson will be releasing a Blade version as well.
     
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  30. yonexRx32

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    Just a couple of thoughts.

    I have floating clamps but swivel clamps would probably be easier to use for this type of job.

    Because the string bed is sparse, the overall string bed tension will be significantly lower than when you string normally. You will feel a lot more pocketing as the ball sinks deeper in the bed. You will also lose control. Check a posting by ChicagoJack on what happens when a ball strikes the string bed.

    I think you can safely go up to 50 lbs or even more if you keep the symmetry of the string bed. I don't know what pattern the Hammer is, but I would try to keep the symmetry of the string bed. If it's 16x18 you may want to go even nr x even nr. To be extra safe you can string with two pieces, and start the cross portion from the center. You shouldn't have too much trouble.
     
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  31. yonexRx32

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    My guess is yes. Probably the better approach.
     
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  32. v-verb

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    Thanks yonexRx32

    I appreciate this - will try it

    Cheers

    nigel
     
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  33. droliver

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    Not sure what this would offer a guy like Nadal who is already hitting the highest RPM on tour. At some point it would seem self-defeating
     
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