Discussion in 'Tennis Tips/Instruction' started by BirdWalkR, Sep 18, 2011.
Are you supposed to use core muscles somehow? or is it all just arm with a shoulder dip
dude you use your entire body on the shot
You have to use your brain. No good without a brain.
Look for a Fed or Rafter b/hand slice video.U Tube it.
All of your body goes into the shot
You step into the slice with your whole body like the rest of your shots.
Slice uses traps and delts to produce power - try to feel that you are squeezing your shoulder blades together through the extension phase of the swing.
^ Very good.
If you only use your arm, you may be putting too much stress on your elbow or shoulder. Take a look at how much Roger coils up for his BH , be it slice or topspin (see image below). The BH forward swing often starts by driving off the back foot. The body then uncoils a bit before the arm and racket continue on its own. Yes, there is much less body rotation that we see for the FH or 2-handed BH. Nonetheless, the body rotation is still important to minimize stress to the elbow and shoulder.
for the op ^^^^ thats a topspin bh roger is about to hit i beleive
Your swing should be about 60% upper body rotation on a 1hb slice and about 50% on a 1hb TS backhand. On a slice, your back should be turned about 3/4 to the target on the backswing.
Check out the backhand slices of Rosewall, Emerson, Laver and Edberg.
Doesn't matter. As I indicated, he coils for both the slice and topspin BH.
Fed is not the best example of a backhand slice. First, it's more of a chop than a slice. Second, he uses almost all arm and very little UBR.
Are you suggesting 60% upper body rotation prior to contact or as a total through contact? The slice backhand has the least amount of upper body rotation as the non hitting arm should pull back (as if trying to put your elbow in your back pocket) to engage the traps and delts, this limits the amount of rotation. Those with the most effective slice don't open their shoulders to the court as much as those with a floaty slice.
This Fed video shows it very well, with the body only opening up to recover, long after the 'stroke' is finished.
I hit my BH slice more aggressively, while driving forward with my hips like a BH volley with more follow through.
The 1hbh slice is a very "right-sided" shot for a right hander - I'd say that the legs may be even more important for this shot than a two-handed backhand. Proper footwork, weight transfer, and hip rotation (or torque) all drive the stroke from the ground up.
With the right foot planted and a good weight transfer onto that leg, the right handed hitter can set that necessary backward pressure though the right hip. That torque into the player's racquet side hip is the basic engine for the shot. Try to set your weight onto your opposite foot for a slice and you'll find that the hip torque I'm talking about just isn't there. My left leg can only push my right hip laterally, not backward like my right leg which basically "loads" the stroke.
I also like to think of leaning into the shot with the image of bumping a door open with your shoulder while your arms are full of groceries or something. I think this is a good contributor for an ideal slice and leaves the shoulder with relatively little work to do, just as long as the timing is good. When stretched laterally, the racquet side foot plant still creates the leverage needed for the bh slice even if the hitter can't lean forward into the stroke.
Lean into the shot, go down with the ball. Also, I respectfully disagree with Limpinhitter, Fed has the most effective slice in the pros. However, a rec player who is not dealing with the type of pace he deals with should hit more through the ball. And also, maybe 10-20% of the slice comes from UBR.
I want to clarify a bit on the point of 'leaning into the shot'.
I can hit both the Fed type chop slice, or the Gonzo type knock/chip...
The Fed type chop slice seems to be what most of the juniors are taught today... very big component of high to low motion, so the body weight has to lean forward to put any forward momentum on the ball.... I think this motion is a bit more difficult to learn, but is more versatile.
The Gonzo type chip is basically an open-face block.... a very simple motion easy to learn, but the key to this shot is staying in balance from start to finish.. and leaning forward can be counter-productive... the arms motion feels very much like baseball umpire signaling 'safe'... and the arm already provides enough forward momentum, no need for excessive body lean.
the difference between the 2 types of motion also can be seen in the different amount of UBR.
for the Fed-chop, more UBR is needed to provide the forward momentum, because the arm is providing so little.
while the Gonzo-block requires very little UBR, as the umpire 'safe !!' signal provides the forward momentum.
Obviously, you use your legs, and upper body turn, exactly the same way as you would do for your normal 1HBH drive, just that for the slice the racket face is bit open, and you drive the slice.
legs hips shoulders core- everything really
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