Does anybody ever wish Nadal would just speak his opinions?

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  1. flyinghippos101

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    Lately we've seen Federer being honest and pretty blunt on some topics (Jankovic, Djokovic retiring...again at AO) but everytime Nadal is questioned about some of these, it almost seems like he's putting up a front. Of course it's what we want to hear, Neutrality, but it doesn't sound genuine, almost as if Nadal really wants to say his REAL opinion but can't, lest he face serious criticism from the media who tore Fed up for the same thing and ridicule from some pretty cruel users on this board (but he wouldn't care about the latter) but frankly I wouldn't mind hearing Nadal's opinion on certain matters. Anyone else agree?
     
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  2. Terr

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    I personally would rather he didn't. He ought to save himself the trouble since no one can actually understand him anyway.

    Maybe that's why he's not very open about these things. His English is hardly up to the same standards at Federer.

    It does get annoying, but when it comes down to it, I don't want to hear his opinions, I want to watch him play. :D
     
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    This will never happen. Nadal has been brainwashed from his childhood to always show false modesty no matter what the situation. It's engrained.
     
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  4. I was just waiting for a thread like this, GREAT thread! He speaks like a machine, never his own words, always Uncle Tonis, i mean the guy is 23 years old, ok that he cant speak English that well but at least try! And give ur own opinions once in a while, everyone would respect that.
     
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  5. flyinghippos101

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    I don't even mean just for english press conference, even spanish interviews he remains the same.
     
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  6. Totally agree
     
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    Perhaps he's just a little shy about these things. And there's always the fact that it's his uncle there's that 'respect your elders' thing going on.

    I understand neutrality is important. And no one wants to get in trouble or have their words taken out of context, but you're right. I do wish he'd open up. Stop acting like such a machine. Be his own man. If only every once in a while.

    He's seems like such a small town boy the way he acts now. Perhaps some fans respect this image. But it can't be healthy for him in the long run.
     
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    Well..first off its the fans(mostly Nadal-gang) not the media per say who tore Federer apart.
    Secondly-Its not necessary but I much prefer honesty.I like to hear an athlete's opinion.It just feels nice to see top-notch stars being themselves.
    I remember Roger saying after FO ( I think) -"I always wanted to be a good role model.But I couldnt fake my way through ten years" or something along those lines.And I like it.
     
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  9. Wow! A person can be shy, but for 5 years?? Former world no1? Why would he be shy?? "respect for the elders"?? NO. If my uncle was my coach i would have less respect for him than for a coach i didnt know from the beginning. He is so extremely boring its a pain looking at his press-conferences and read his "so called statements".
     
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    You know who is a good role model? The shirtless Chinese guy wearing dress shoes with a cigarette in one hand and a lasso flick 1HBH I saw today.

    That guy doesn't have to fake. He's badass.

    -.-

    I wanted to slice him right into the baseline.
     
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    He he. I guess you're right. Though I can honestly say I don't listen to a single word Nadal says. It's just too much hard work. I feel like he works as hard spewing words out as he does running around the court.
     
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    You always take the extremes , dont you? Being yourself dosent mean engaging in vices and being a 'badass'
    You can be nice and still not sound fake,but genuine and honest.
     
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  13. You are absolutely right on that one
     
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    I was joking about the Chinese guy.

    See the memo at the end that said I wanted to kill him?

    If by some strange stroke of fate, I see Federer doing this, he would no longer be a good role model either.
     
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    fair enough.Its all good :D
     
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    By the way! It's not racist if I'm Chinese, in China and surrounded by Chinese people that act this way.

    Shouldn't there be some rule about drugging/leather shoes on hardcourt surfaces?
     
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    So if Nadal suffers another big loss he will start taping his tongue, have countless press conference and then will withdraw from countless tournaments due to glossitis.
     
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  18. Lol:)

    10 char
     
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    Ugh, someone just cut the man's tongue out. He doesn't need it anyway. His girlfriend's going to leave him when she realises he has no opinions.
     
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    Id always wished we would see a little edge to Nadal. And one thing is missing is personal rivalries.. That would make the nadal-fed rivalry all the more better. Something that has really been lacking over the years. It seems Uncle Toni is usually the one opening up about Various topics while Nadal just kind sits there.


    Its kind of like Ivan Drago in Rocky IV.
     
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  21. Agree. "His tongue didnt get through coustedy"
     
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  22. rommil

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    He can use it as a vibration dampener for his Babolat Aero pro Drive....
     
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    Still annoyed with Toni's remarks on Sampras,are we? :lol:
     
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    As in a Mcenroe-Borg-ish rivalry? Yes that would be pretty bomb but I donm't mind the current state of the Fed-Nadal rivalry.
     
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    And he left out many greats.. So toni's opinion doesnt hold much water since he doesnt even seem to know who some of the real all time greats are like Pancho, Rosewall, Laver etc.

    And Sampras a second tier GOAT? LOL..


    And the guy is so biased he is actually putting Nadal amongst them as if Nadal has really developed THAT KIND OF CAREER for himself yet.


    And he put Borg at number 2 of all time? huh?
     
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    How outspoken was Federer at 23? I recall his outspoken-ness really began later on.
     
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    Well he'd have to paint it with Babolat stripes or something.

    I think he's contracted to use their dampeners too. :p
     
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    Yeah, he did get more outspoken as his career progressed and his trophy collection got bigger.

    But he was never a machine.
     
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    What did uncle toni say? Please elaborate. And putting Sampras in the 2nd tier of GOATs is ridiculous btw.
     
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    But thats also when people started wanting his opinion,his take.Besides,had he said what he does now without backing himself up,it would've been truly arrogant.
     
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    It doesn't have to be necessarily blunt. Rafa just comes out as cheesy and trite. And his statements to deflect pressure from himself is getting a bit old. He is a top ranked world class athlete, speak with confidence and get your point across in a matter of factly way.
     
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    They will sell them here at TW and Veronique, Babbette , TheTruth and Nadal_Freak and some other *******s will scoop them up........................oh wait they don't play tennis.
     
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    Woooooooord
     
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    http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translat...s/1237811799.html&lp=es_en&btnTrUrl=Translate




    Yea.. Uncli Phony the Dictator really doesnt know his tennis history too well. Borg at #2 of all time and Pete a 2nd tier GOAT? LOL.. Hell he doesnt even list Agassi in any of the 3 tiers.

    FIRST LEVEL
    1. Roger Federer
    2. Bjorn Borg
    3. Rod Laver

    SECOND LEVEL
    1. Pete Sampras
    2. John McEnroe
    3. Jimmy Connors
    4. Ivan Lendl

    THIRD LEVEL

    Nadal..



    SO essntially Nadal is already 3rd tier at only 23 years old.. And Agassi who has already finished his career, with 8 slams the career slams, masters titles galor, and longevity doesnt even make the third level with Nadal?

    The guy is a clown and totally clueless in regards to the history of the game.. Guys like him should just keep his mouth shut.


    Wheres Rosewall?? Wheres Pancho? Wheres Tilden? ANYWHERES??
     
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    ^Wait..where's Agassi?Is this some kind of a joke? Looks like he named the players off the top of his head
     
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    Did he not speak his mind about Gasquet failing his drug test? Perhaps these other issues aren't really that important in his life. I doubt he cares what a few people on TT, who aren't his fans, think of his opinions, anyhow. If he want's to remain neutral and uncontroversial about certain subjects, that's his right and it should be respected.

    Come on people, go troll somewhere else :oops:
     
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  37. ~ZoSo~

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    Maybe fed is being genuine when he throws bottles at ballkids and getting his ass handed to him causes the mask to slip
     
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    Nowheres to be found at all.. Yet he puts Nadal name down. :-?

    And I guess Pancho, Rosewall, and Tilden do not even exist



    And Yet he will put Borg as Number 2 of all time, and put Sampras in his 2nd tier? Hows this possible?
     
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    One incident of racquet smashing after years? And no he didnt throw bottles at
    the ballkids.He didnt get his ass handed to him either.
     
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  40. sureshs

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    Nadal is not an arrogant guy like Federer. For the men's GOAT to say that Jankovic does not deserve to be #1 was very shallow. It would be like Roddick saying that women serve slower than him. It is obvious, but saying it reveals a state of mind which is interfering and gloating about other's failures.
     
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    Is this really a issue? Nadal is a pretty reserved guy in public,and that includes his press conferences.It's sad to see some of the opinions posted here.Brainwashed by Tony? LOL,Nadal owes Tony his whole career,including the famous hand change because the guy noticed early on he had more power on the left side.Nadal's whole philosophy about tennis comes from his uncle and it is this balanced view on the world including tennis that has had major paybacks for Nadal.

    Have any of you actually watched or read a tony interview? The guy strikes me as a true mentor for Nadal.You have to understand that Toni made Nadal the way he is today and that he realises that he can no longer control the guy because he is no longer a kid.Discipline doesn't mean brainwashing.
    Nadal is way more loose among his circle of friends.Go watch the videos on youtube of him,Moya and other south american players playing winning eleven on playstation.He seems like a normal kid to me.

    I don't believe he puts up a front.This is the mentality he learned from Toni.Every match can be tough(or taff as he says) and you must approach it with concentration,not to mention knowing the fact that you can lose at any time.Nadal and Toni say the same things because the two have spent a lot of time together ever since Nadal was small and his uncle's way of thinking about tennis is ingrained into him.

    I think many of you are put off by Nadal because he doesn't let people in.Outside of his matches,there is nothing remarkable about him.As I have said he seems like a normal teenager to me.A very wealthy,very famous teenager but still a teenager.No scandals,not arrogant statements,nothing outside of tennis related issues.
    Add to that the fact that he doesn't speak English very well and you have a guy who seems like an introvert,but is actually that only around the press and tennis world.He seems to cringe more in press conferences than in the matches because on the court he knows what to do.In the after match interview reports poke and prod him to get some "scandalous" statements but the guy doesn't like to talk about his competitors much.
    Also I don't see what the problem is with his statements over Federer.He feels that Fed is better than him and his uncle says so too.And guess what,he is right.He has realised how much work it takes just to win 6 Slams and he is playing against a guy who has won 15.It's not modesty,it's reality,and it's respect shown towards Federer.

    How can anyone think anything bad about Rafa after the way he comforted his rival in the AO final? If that's not genuine I don't know what is.
     
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    Nadal has been outspoken acout these topics when he was #1...being #1 obviously gets more people listening to you,

    1)The ATP schedule repeatedly

    2) Giving Gasquet the benefit of the doubt when he was initially charged re:drugs.

    No, he doesn't criticize other players' ..he's too polite for that, or make excuses for losing matches...he's too honest to do that.
     
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    Maybe its fair when women want equal prize money yet fail to deliver in slams.
     
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  44. All-rounder

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    So its arrogant to speak your mind instead of having cards to read off of from uncle toni
     
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    bolded part-which is baseless criticism and solely revolving around himself.
    He does make excuses..both pre-emptive and post loss.
     
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    Look,women don't deserve equal pay but is Roger a part of the WTA?
    If Roger says something, then it should be about the ATP cause that is his workplace.
     
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    Arrogance, confidence.....these words could mean differently to different people. If you say you live in a trailer, than can be construed as arrogant to a homeless person. We have to consider where they are from too....Swiss people can be more direct I guess where Spaniards are more melodramatic, tendency to be more trite. They are world class athelete like I said and seem to have very well adjusted parents. Why haven't we heard Federer's colleagues say he is arrogant? Maybe to a person like your level of perspective he is arrogant.
     
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  48. ~ZoSo~

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    I mean... You know... Sometimes the best player usually doesnt always win... You know
     
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    Read post #41 :roll:
     
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    Nadal has been very outspoken about the ATP schedule, the new drug testing regime and it being unfair that Gasquet could lose his career for kissing a girl in a club... I guess he doesn't have opinions on anything else.
     
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