does anybody see murray at no .1?

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  1. mike danny

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    personally i do not. even if he passes fed(which he should given the age difference) there are still nole and rafa in his way. and to be no.1 at this point he has to be consistent week in and week out and also beat rafa and nole consistently. he has not played rafa since 2011 so i just have to wait for the match-up but he has lost the last 3 matches with djokovic. so beating them consistently is out of the question. and i do not see him making every final in events like fed and nole used to do. personally i think the best he can acheive is the no.2 ranking but IMO no.1 will never happen for him
     
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  2. 90's Clay

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    I could see him at #1 maybe for a short run.. But definitely nothing long term
     
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    I think Murray has a mental block against Djokovic. I think the rivalry could get more one-sided over the next few years. He has lost a lot of close matches against Djokovic and in many of them he threw away sizeable leads (He almost did that at the USO last year too).

    So, I only see Murray getting to number 1 if he starts beating Djokovic more often.
     
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  4. sportsfan1

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    ^^ exactly what he said. Not until Murray shows that he can beat Djoker consistently.
     
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    lol wut ?....dont think rafa is in the way when rafa is behind him in the rankings at no 5.
     
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  6. Clarky21

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    As long as Cvac is still breathing, Andy is not getting to #1.
     
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    Novak and Nadal.
     
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    Actually due to his superlative dominance, Cvac will be given an honourary permanent ranking of Perpetual #1 upon his retirement. The highest possible ranking an ATP professional will be able to achieve after that point is #2, in recognition of Cvac's extraordinary and unmatchable achievements.
     
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  9. kishnabe

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    Nope.....he the weakest of the 4 big guys.
     
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  10. Terenigma

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    Not right now he isnt, Id argue he's the 2nd best player in tennis right now and his game is certainly not the weakest of the 4 either. The only thing the others have over Murray is mental focus.

    If Murray had Djokovic's rediculous resilience when he's down in a match then i think he would have a real shot of being #1. Maybe even finish this year as #1 if he could win wimbledon (do'able) and retain his US open.
     
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    Not this year, Djokovic is far too dominant, but maybe eventually, 2015 I think he will
     
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  12. mike danny

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    i think when djokovic starts to slip murray will become no.1. he barely beat him at the us open with the wind so with the conditions not favouring djokovic. djokovic is for murray what nadal used to(and still is) be for federer: he simply does not go away therefore he cannot beat him. proof enough are the matches at shanghai and london. also he does not have his stamina. last year nole played 2 consecutive tough 5 setters against both andy and rafa and clinched the AO title. this year andy barely played a JUST a tough 5 setter after a very easy draw and still did not have enough left in the tank to win the final. i mean everything worked perfectly for him: an easy draw, federer not at his best and of course his amazing form which helped him beat the swiss and reach the final. if he cannot sustain that form for the most important 2 matches than no.1 is totally out of the equation for him
     
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  13. Cup8489

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    His name is Novak Djokovic.

    Please stop with the inane nicknames.
     
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  14. sureshs

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    When he is using the urinal, yes
     
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    I'm really confused as to why Murray took so much time off between the AO and IW. Wouldn't a little match play be helpful? He's going to be rusty heading into the US HC swing. He won't make it to #1 by skipping tournaments and forfeiting points that he should be defending. He just lost his 300 Dubai points from last year and he's going to lose 750 Olympics points in August. He's going to have to win Wimbledon to make up any points there. I don't see him doing anything major on clay. It's not his forte. I can't see him getting to #1 in the foreseeable future because Djoker's just too strong right now.
     
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    He's really not playing a lot this year Queen and Tokyo are the only tournaments he's playing outside the slams, 1000's and WTF
     
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    Officially, he gave the reason that he wants to be as fit as possible for the 2 back-to-back HC Masters where's he had such patchy results in the last 3 years. He's determined to be a bit more consistent in them than he has shown during that time. However, I too am a bit surprised he didn't defend his finalist points in Dubai. As you say, he's going to be a bit match-rusty going into IW. IMO the foot injury he picked up at the AO final was probably a bit more serious then he let on. Either that or there have been other fitness concerns. Either way, I think the real reason is that he has needed all this time off to get his physical fitness back to as near-peak condition as possible. No doubt, we'll soon see if it has worked.
     
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  18. Paullaconte1

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    Can't see it, at least any soon
     
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    If his foot injury is more serious than stated, kudos to him for not coming out and saying it. That's what champions do, no excuses.
     
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  20. NEW_BORN

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    Murray needs to be within 2000 points of Djokovic by Wimbledon, otherwise he has way too many points to defend post Wimbledon to make a run for No.1 this year
     
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    i think Murray is more focused on slams and major tournaments this year.
     
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    he will get number 1 by beating federer at uso in straights
     
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    Until he makes more inroads on clay and stops losing to random clowns in Masters, no....I don't see him at No. 1
     
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    I thought he might sneak in there sometime by the end of this year.
     
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    I guess you don't know much about how the rankings works. Murray will be defending 2000 points at the USO and can't gain any points there. I know you're just a Fed hater but sadly you are blinded by your hatred and post the dumbest things.
     
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    He announced last October that he wasn't going to play Dubai this year. The reason being that he was still suffering from jet-lag when he had to play his first match in IW. This year he wanted to make sure that he was perfectly fit for both HC Masters, because he can pick up a lot more points there than in any of the smaller tournaments.

    He also said that he feels he plays his best tennis when he's had time to prepare for a tournament, therefore he did another training block with Lendl and reduced his schedule.

    Someone said he had comitted to Tokyo - he hasn't. In fact, he hasn't committed to any 500 event yet.
     
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  27. OddJack

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    I see it as inevitable.
     
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  28. forzamilan90

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    I think Murray could definitely reach the number 1 spot, the man has the game to do with for sure. Aggressive, monster 1st serve blasting, big forehand hitting Murray, that is a fortress on defense and returns with interest is a good recipe for top level success.
     
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    Looking at the rankings, I didn't realize that Murray was over 5000 points behind Djokovic. It would take a Djokovic injury for Murray to get to number 1 this year. To put it into perspective, Nadal is only 2000 points behind Murray despite missing half of last year.
     
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  30. batz

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    Murray is 1100 points behind Novak in the race. If Murray closes and overcomes that gap by the end of the season he'll be number 1 (assuming nobody else outperforms both).

    The 5000 point gap 52 week rolling ranking thing is a bit of a red herring as big 'swings' are possible.
     
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  31. Hitman

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    I think Muray will eventually be the one who dethrones Djokovic at the top. It's going to take some doing, since Djokovic is showing no signs of slowing down, but I believe that the next number one will be Murray.
     
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    I could see him get there. It would be weird to see him at the top though.
     
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    He would be male equivalent of wozniacki if he gains # 1
     
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    I definitely see Murray at #1. To me, it's not if, it's when.
     
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  35. tennis_pro

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    Nope, the rankings say he's a clear no 3.
     
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    Murray needs better results on clay to challenge for #1. That, or dominate the rest of the schedule, which I don't think he can do.

    His best clay court season was in 2011 when he made the SF's of Monte Carlo, Rome and Roland Garros and the R16 in Madrid.

    Contrast that with Djokovic and Nadal. Djoker's worst result in any of those tournaments in the last two years is a QF in Madrid. Nadal's worst is a R16 last year in Madrid. (BTW, both guys hated the blue clay courts.) Other than that, Nadal has been in the final of every major clay court tournament he has played in.

    Look at Federer...en route to regaining the #1 spot, he won Madrid and made the SF's of Rome and RG.

    Considering all of those guys are battling it out on the other surfaces and splitting up points, Murray loses too much ground in the clay season. Until he improves there, I don't see him as a threat to the #1 ranking.
     
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  37. tudwell

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    If Murray wins Wimbledon this year, he'd be reigning champion at two of the four slams, while Djokovic would most likely be reigning champion at one. He'd need some better Masters performances, though, to really challenge Djokovic, but it's possible.
     
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    I dont see it this year.

    If Djokovic stays at the same level then he wont get to number 1.

    Murray has improved a lot though under Lendl, if he is going to beat Djokovic then his best chance is grass I think.
     
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    He's known for tanking matches every now and then...That attitude will not bring him to #1, and he's got a lot of points to defend in the coming months.
     
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    For a short period. He's not as consistent and good as the Serb.
     
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    On clay...he has to up his game on clay, otherwise he gives away too many points there.

    Counting top level events of the clay court season - Roland Garros, the two mandatory 1000's (Rome, Madrid) and the optional 1000 (Monte Carlo) - here's the current points of the Big 4:

    Nadal - 4090
    Djokovic - 2580
    Federer - 2080
    Murray - 630

    He's almost 1500 points behind Federer, nearly 2000 behind Djokovic and over 3000 behind Nadal. That is a lot to try and make up against guys who are just as good and consistent as Murray on the other surfaces as well.
     
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  42. mattennis

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    I think Murray will be the next nº1 (the 26th one since the ATP-rankings started in 1973 ).

    Will it happen this year?

    Difficult, but not impossible.

    The biggest problem Murray have is Djokovic, obviously, who not only is a bit better and more consistent than Murray on hard courts, but Nole also (up to now) gets much more points on clay.

    If Djokovic's 2013 season is as good as 2012 (let alone 2011), then Murray won't be nº1 in 2013.

    But if Djokovic starts to fade...(not likely) Murray will be there to get to nº1 (given that Federer is growing older and Nadal's physical problems may hamper his game on hard courts).

    Forget about Del Potro, Ferrer, Tsonga, Berdych or any of the youngsters (Tomic, Raonic, Dimitrov...). They don't have a chance.
     
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  43. spinovic

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    I saw or heard someone criticizing the rest of the players that they couldn't surpass a guy in the rankings who had been out for 7 months, but Nadal is so dominant on clay, he racks up nearly enough points to assure a top 4 spot on that surface alone.

    If you only counted his clay court season of 2012 - Roland Garros (W), Rome (W), Monte Carlo (W), Madrid (R16), Barcelona (W) - Nadal would be #7 in the world and 150 points behind Berdych for the sixth spot.

    He has 810 points currently on non-clay surfaces, 720 of which come from Indian Wells and Miami.

    Basically, Nadal can stay in the top 4 on the strength of his clay performance, assuming he's healthy enough to show up for the rest of the schedule.
     
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  44. heninfan99

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    That would truly suck but maybe if Rafa & Djoker get hurt and Federer is 37 yrs old he'd have a really good chance.
     
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    Great comparison.
     
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    There was a moment when Murray was 7-5 5-4 30-0 up in Shanghai against Djokovic that I thought he would become #1 eventually. Then Djokovic saved 5 MPs and as soon as that happened I knew Djokovic finally regained the mental edge he lost in the summer. It was also proven in the WTF and AO. Also if Murray loses in straights in WTF and scrapes past in 5 in AO against Federer, I can't see him going to the top.
     
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  47. batz

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    Yep - what with Wozniaki's 6 slam finals and 1 title.
     
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    On second thought, Wozzie won the more prestigious Wimbledon so we're being a bit nice to Andy here.
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    Wasn't that Federer last year? Only 1 slam final among his results yet got the #1 ranking?

    Fun facts: over the last 2.5 years, Murray has played twice as many slam finals as Federer. They both have an equal amount of total slams over that same period (1 each).
     
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