Does anyone seriously doubt Nadal will win 10 Roland Garros titles?

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  1. nadal_slam_king

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    10 is inevitable. There has never been a more dominant player on any surface, ever. Even at his 2009 level, get past Soderling and the odds are he would have won that too.
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    10 Roland Garros titles.
     
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    I think he'll win this year. I give him a decent chance at winning next year. Then I think he'll be done.

    So what is that... 7 or 8? Yeah I'd bet good money he won't get to 10.
     
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    You going to cut his legs off after next year? Makes no sense.
     
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    I dont think he will win 10. I think he will end up with either 8 or 9. Over the next 4 years I think Nadal will win 2 or 3, Djokovic 1 and possibly even 2, and someone else maybe surprising with 1 (Del Potro or someone else).
     
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    Stop being such a bitter hater. True Nadal fans like myself know he will win a hundred billion RG titles.
     
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    I think that his upcoming failures on everything outside of clay with hurt his confidence and his ranking. And I mean the guy's already nearly 26. He's already lost half a step and by the time he loses a full step I don't see him dominating the clay court season.
     
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    Yep he just made 4 straight slam finals, for the first time in his career. He's a slam specialist. Big failure.
     
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    Fed once made 18 out of 19 slam finals. He then proceeded to make 1 out of 8 slam finals.

    I see Fed making more slam finals and Nadal making less. A lot less.
     
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    If Djokovic couldn't win it in 2011, when his confidence was in full flow, he never will. But hey, Federer got his without having to beat Nadal, so its possible.
     
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    Federer has never been as dominant as Nadal's RG dominance, at any of the slams. Federer lost in the 1st Round of Wimbledon THREE times, and while not as bad at the US Open, not even in the realm of surface genius Nadal's RG 6 of 7 domination. Not even a close comparison. Plus they are polar opposite athletes/minds/people. Federer doesn't have an 'easy' slam to fall back on in his old age. That's the big difference in their evolutionary paths. But I agree that Nadal will lose less slam finals than Federer.
     
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    Ridiculous thread,but looking at who started it,I am not surprised.
     
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    Even though he is the GCCOAT! You asking him to play good enough Clay Court tennis for 4+ Years.

    2012: He could Win it
    2013: He could win it
    2014: He could Win it
    2015: He could win it.

    Though Djokovic, Federer and any future contedors we don't know, or others we know whom develop their CC games dramatically......may take Nadal out.

    Nadal one 6 out of 7 times. It started when he was 19 now he is 26......I don't think dominance on Clay could last any longer.

    Federer dominated Grass from 03-09.....Yes 08 Nadal won....but it was still good enough to say he was dominant player on Grass. I hope Federer does win this year Wimbledon Edition. It evident Federer declined at 28 on Grass. and that is on a surface where footwork is essential.

    Nadal is going to lose another half a step....when that comes...everyone is going to beat him. It might be 2-3 years from now. Maybe 5 years from now.


    Nadal winning 10 RG....is dependant on how the Field Improves, If his Main Rivals get in a way of one of the next 3 RG, or how long his body whom relies on Physical Qualities a bit more than Talent!

    I have no doubt Nadal can....but many things got in the way of Sampras.....when people though he would win 10 Wimbledon +. Kracijek ala Soderling. A young gun Federer knocking him off the perch. Another Swiss later kicking his gut.

    This year and next year are key. good thing for *******s and fans....Nadal can still pick up majors where he needs them like the Aussie, and Wimbledon. US Open not so much compared to the other favs.

    Nadal just needs 7 RG to supplement history....another one is just extra. Like a 17th slam for Federer.
     
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    That's a terrible argument and you know it. Fed peaked later. 2002 and prior is irrelevant.

    You asked a question and I answered. Don't get mad just because I hold a different opinion.
     
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  14. cork_screw

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    Honestly, I hate this guy. Because he has the potential to win more than 10. He can win every year till he hits 30 and then he will probably win them up until he's 32 if the only thing stopping his is if he doesn't get sidelined with injury. That's why I hate Nadal. Last year when people were giving him 's' for his results I was commenting how he could have easily won many of the matches he lost. In fact most of them he was actually ahead and just let the lead slip by after being up a set or a few breaks. Happened at Sony Open, Indian Wells, Wimbledon and US Open. He could have easily won those tournies as it wasn't so much that djokovic dominated, but Novak did pull out of them where I felt they were all very close matches.
    When nadal plays on clay people don't even stand a chance. It's like going hunting with a sniper rifle from a helicopter.
    I really want him to tear an ACL. Seriously hate this guy.
     
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    Anyone who does doubt it is a Nadal hater, plain and simple - GOAT
     
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    That was when Federer wasn't the Federer he is now. That like saying Nadal won't win Hardcourt Slams for his crappy losses as a Teen....which he did.

    What do you call domination if Federer won 6 out of 7 Consecutive Wimbledon. Nadal game was perfected to Clay when he won all those RG. He eventually adapted to the other Slams.

    Federer wasn't perfected to grass till 2003. Everyone gets better at different times. Nadal was a little early and Federer was a little late. Nothing wrong with. Doesn't make Nadal more of a genius than Federer. The domination is equal in my opinion but Nadal got a better win percentage.

    Federer( 1 FO win and 5 Finals) also dominated on Clay just as well as Nadal( 2 wins and 5 Finals) did on grass.
     
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    I'll be stunned if he reaches 10. Recurrent knee problems, that sort of thing tends to get worse over time. And the level of the game keeps rising, too many good players coming along, window of opportunity rarely stays open that long.
     
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    If he wins in 2012 - 9 total assuming no injury. If not, 8 tops.
     
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    For goodness sake, OP. He hasn't won 7 yet, and you're talking about 10?
     
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    I give him a maximum of eight, but only of he wins this year. Remember, he's a week shy of 26, and I seriously doubt he will win slams at the ages of 28-30.
     
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    But notice how his knee tendinitis flares up either at the end of the year or the Australian Open? It's all about the hardcourts. He has platelet treatment for it just before each clay season, and cruises through the clay and the last time he lost before a Wimbledon final was 2005. The only problem was 2009 when his tendinitis forced him to skip Wimbledon (although its rumored that the real problem was his parents divorce - may not seem like a big enough deal, but he lives with them, so it would be big). Anyway, in 2010 he changed doctors to the guy who pioneers platelet treatment, and since then he's had no problem during the clay-grass season. He's lucky he only has tendinitis, and not a back problem that Djok, Federer and Murray have.
     
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    Not trolling, but isn't Rafa's doctor the one being accused of helping dopers? Or was it his previous doctor?
     
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    I know, it would defy the hope/illusion of his critics who said he would be retired by age 26. Problem for those clowns is that they never saw an athlete in the form of Nadal before. They can compare him to Borg, but when Mac challenged Borg, it was too much. When Djokovic challenged Nadal, no problem, 9 months and Nadal got back on top.

    And Nadal is no Federer. They are about as opposite as you can get physically and mentally. And as I've said before, Federer never truly owned a slam to the extent Nadal has. So Nadal can fade a fair bit and still win at Roland Garros.

    Federer lost in the 1st Round of Wimbledon 3 times, and had to learn how to win. Nadal had to learn how to lose at Roland Garros. And how he's peaking on hardcourts. Making the last 2 US Open finals, and now a 6 hour AO final vs 3-time champion Djokovic.
     
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  25. WhiskeyEE

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    Rafa still lives with mom and dad? rofl.
     
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    What's wrong with that? Some people like to go their own way and others like to stay close to their parents. That's life.
     
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    LOL do your research before you slander someone.
     
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    Maybe because Federer was so good on all surfaces and slams, his dominance at the USO and Wimbledon is really big. Name one other player that has one 5 consecutive times at two different slams. Nadal has never won one slam 5 consecutive times.
     
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    It just reinforces my belief that he's autistic.
     
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    I think he'll end with eight.
    Rafa seems to have been alternating having one really good year followed by one that is not so good, rinse and repeat. 2012 is one of his really good years, as was 2010. He did not set the world on fire in either 2009 or 2011. So, I think he'll win the French both this year and in 2013, but that'll be all for him.
    Him winning ten French Championships just seems unfathomable.
     
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    As I said before, I was not trolling. It was a serious question. I'm not saying that Nadal is doping. But of course, a simple-minded guy like you would not understand.
     
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    Why don't you search the internet before you post? All the information is out there. I don't follow doping doctors myself, but if you are interested, go and find out.
     
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    Elaborate please?
     
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    But the only bad year he had at Roland Garros was 2009. Nadal beat Federer 6-1 in the 4th set at last year's RG. That is their most lopsided 4th set ever. The Isner match was close, but realize that Nadal doesn't often lose 5-setters. So if you stretch him to 5 sets, you aren't necessarily close. And Nadal still won 5 of his 7 matches in straight sets. Nadal had 2 5-setters at 2010 Wimbledon, the year he won 3 slams. That wasn't a sign of bad form.
     
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    he demonstrates the typical signs of autism and therefore probably has it.
     
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    Oh, I'm just taking a guess. Rafa could well win ten Frenches. It's just extremely difficult to wrap my head around the idea that anyone could win the annual toughest, most physically demanding slam ten different times, when I think about the average shelf life in terms of peak years of an elite athlete and "ten" does not sound believable, or it fails the proverbial eye test in my mind--there's just no precedent for this happening, is all.
     
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    What are the typical signs that he demonstrates that makes you think he's autistic? I have heard others say this about him before on here,but noone has ever said exactly why it is they think this.
     
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    Because everything on the internet is true.
     
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    Please check the meaning of autism before bandying about this word.

    And you almost use it like an insult. There are many many people who suffer this and similar or related conditions to some degree or other, and its not funny, and nor is it nice to use that as an insult.
     
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    Senti, I know you're a true Nadal fan like me. We must be wary of these haters who claim Nadal will win a paltry 10 French Opens; we must pick our b(attles) closely, when we do engage such haters in open dialogue.
     
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    Well, since he won't win this year...it's a coin flip.
     
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    Uhh...he's the defending champion dude! He has as good a chance as anyone.

    The only other players to have won a French Open title currently in the tournament are Fed and Ferrero and I'm pretty sure one of those guys isn't winning it again.
     
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    Yeah, that's right.. 2012 is the year of the Ferrer :grin:
     
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    People with autism commonly demonstrate OCD like behaviour. I'm not suggesting that all people with OCD are autistic, but that's one symptom he has.

    The link below provides symptoms of autism in children, but I found the following very telling:

    http://www.autism-spectrum-disorder.com/autismsymptoms.html

    Placing objects in lines

    For whatever reason, autistic people are obsessed with keeping possessions organized in lines. Sound like someone we know? Rafa does exactly that with his only possessions available on court.

    I think that his difficulty with English says a lot as well. A normal European athlete in his position would've picked it up by now. He seems incapable of it.

    He's known to have difficulty with social interaction as well. That's why he doesn't have any friends on tour. And you can tell how awkward he is in his interviews. When he was younger people chalked it up to stage fright, but it's obvious now that it's something else.

    Autistic people often live with their parents into late adulthood and sometimes for their entire lives. They're terrified and often incapable of independence. Rafa is 26, has how many millions of dollars and he still lives with mommy and daddy? That's ridiculous. In the demographic of 26 year old millionaires, he's probably the only one who still lives with his parents.

    Another one:

    http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/autism-symptoms

    A need for sameness and routines. For example, a child with autism may always need to eat bread before salad and insist on driving the same route every day to school.

    He appears to get unusually upset with changes to his routine. He has problems adapting to change; for example, at Madrid this year. And despite the flack that he has gotten for it from the media and fans, he refuses to stop picking at his his ass on TV. He needs to perform his rituals or else he can't function mentally.
     
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    That's FERRET to you pal :-D
     
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    I give him 10% of winning 10 RG. There is quite a big gap between him and the rest of the field so he would definitely be a contender for another 3-4 more years. Can't imagine him at age 30+ winning RG since he has already been on the tour for so long now. Not only that but the majority of winners at RG has been under the age of 30. Though I think he will win maybe 2 more. This years and next.
     
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    Is that supposed to be a point? Who on the tour is anything like Nadal? Why compare him to relatively weak players? Even comparing him to Federer is misleading, as they are polar opposites in every way.

    Also I extend that question your next 'point'. Why compare Nadal to previous winners of Roland Garros? They are nothing like him, and were all inferior. Except for Borg, but Borg quit when the going got tough.
     
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    It's not just about former players. Clay is the most physically demanding tournament. Those never ending rallied and I don't think Rafa will do that once he gets into 30s. He is NOT a machine but a human being
     
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    Is there supposed to be a precedent? There is no precedent for 7 Roland Garros titles either.
     
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    I'm not sure who you are comparing Nadal to when you say this. Which inferior player/athlete is the precedent? Jim Courier? :lol:

    Anyway, the more critics the merrier. It's always fun to review threads down the road....
     
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