Does anyone still believe Nadal will catch Federer in slams?

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  1. DjokovicForTheWin

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    If so, which slams could he win? FO maybe, but surely he can't win more than 3 more there. AO? Possibly, but by that time he's never as fit. Wimby? Fed and Djoker still challenging. USO? Not a chance, first one was a fluke. So can't he truly catch Federer? I'm thinking no.
     
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  2. THUNDERVOLLEY

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    I know this: it is more than likely Djokovic will never catch it.
     
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  3. Rippy

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    I definitely think he'll get close, but I'm not sure if he'll get to 16.
     
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    That's a mountain to climb but I think he will catch Pete.
     
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  5. flyinghippos101

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    The simplest answer is often times the best: We have no idea. So far the most visible threat at slams to Nadal is Djokovic and who knows how long he can maintain this level of play over the next few years before both guys begin declining. Even then, we wouldn't even have to wait that long. Rafa might get lucky and Djokovic might get stuck on Fed's side of the draw, who is the only player who has beaten Djokovic this season and based purely on match up reasons, is the only one of the top crop of players to take him out at a slam.

    That's what Nadal can hope for, Fed to take out Djok and then throw some heavy top spin balls at Fed and watch the backhand shanks all the way to his next slam title.
     
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    wouldn't the #2 and #3 seeds on the same side?

    so Rafa has to go thru Fed first in the semis... I think he'd rather face Murray, the mentally weak.
     
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  7. pringles

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    I know this: Djokovic is more likely to get to 16 than Nadal.
     
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  8. batz

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    No - 3 and 4 are always drawn.
     
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    Seeds 3 and 4 are randomized, they could end up on either 1 or 2 side
     
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  10. batz

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    Don't think so mate.
     
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  11. Joe Pike

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    Nadal won't catch Federer. And Djokovic won't catch Nadal.
     
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  12. Joe Pike

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    You haven't been following tennis for very long, have you?
     
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  13. batz

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    He's been on here since 2004...
     
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    Try combining Rafa and Nole and they're still short. They better get what they can now before Murray starts a haggis free diet and starts hitting serves with his backhand.
     
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    yeah nadal will get seven more FO's :)
     
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    To be fair, "here" can be a totally different dimension than tennis. :)
     
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    Before this Wimbledon, I felt Rafa had a very good chance. Rafa was going on such a good streak at the majors recently.

    Now after this Wimbledon, I still think he has a decent shot (not as good a chance, but still decent). Novak will have to prove he can be a consistent major champion beyond this year. Rafa has already done that. If Novak slips, Rafa's right there. Plus there's always FO (though Novak has a say in that too).
     
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  18. rafabull

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    Keep dreaming. He'll be lucky to get into double digits. Even that's a stretch.
     
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  19. namelessone

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    I never believed he would and it was kinda funny to see everybody making assumptions that he would go to 17-18 slams.

    Because of Fedal, people assume winning slams is like taking candy from a baby. Nothing could be further from the truth.

    I maintain my prediction for Rafa, the one that I made after he won USO. 13 slams at most.
     
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  20. Mustard

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    I never thought he'd catch Federer anyway. I expect Nadal to get 11-13 majors by the end of his career.
     
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    I love all the stuff you post :)
     
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  22. ctbmar

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    The way Federer can win more majors is to face Nadal in the semifinals, rather than the final. If Federer beats Nadal in the semis and faces either Murray or Djokovic, Federer has a good chance of winning the major. If Federer meets Djokovic in the semifinals, he will beat Djokovic but will have a good chance of losing to Nadal in the final.
     
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    Not a snowball's chance in Hell of that happening.
     
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    Unless someone as good as Djokovic appears again (I don't think Delpo can be consistant enough to be a threat at slams), I think Nadal can reach 16. Maybe take 18 slams. He can win three of four more FO, which would be tremendous, but still possible.
    He can win in Wimbledon two more times, and two more Australian Opens too. I think he can win one more Uso if he is lucky.. the same for WTF.

    If you wonder why Federer is not going to win more than sixteen, you have your answer: Nadal. He can't beat Nadal at a Slam. Not because he is not good enough, but because he can't face nadal power game anymore. Nadal kills his backhand and there's not much roger can do about it. Roger needs to find Nadal a bit low in level to take a win. Like last WTF for example.

    But if you wonder who would stop Nadal... you don't have many answers. Djokovic, Del potro, Murray? Tsonga? Soderling? it's very hard.. they have to play very very well. Once Nadal figures Djokovic out, it will be much harder for djoko to beat nadal.
    Nadal always has the edge. He is lefty, he plays a power high-percentage defense game that can't take anyone's mentality low in a few minutes.
     
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  25. I never thought he would. Federer had some serious luck break his way to get 16. Nadal has much tougher competition overall than Federer did without question.
     
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  26. Atherton2003

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    He needed to win this Wimbledon to have any chance of tying or beating Fed.
     
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    ummm..what was Nadal's competition for his 10 slams?
     
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    Nadal got lucky there was no one to challenge him at the French for a while. This year for example was a gift from Roger. A Djokovic like this would kick Nadal butt on clay. So a lot of Nadal's 10 is fluff.
     
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    Looking pretty doubtful -- he'll need to have a 2-3 more multiple slam years depending on the amount of wear and tear his body has, but his game matches very badly against Djoker's.

    Fed probably has a better shot at winning 6 more majors than Rafa does.
     
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  30. SStrikerR

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    Do ANY of your posts not have trolling in them?

    Anyway, I think Nadal has a chance of matching Sampras, but no more.
     
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  31. Slice&Smash

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    As always, the last few slams are always the hardest.

    Federer Won only 4 slams since USO 2007 (almost 4 years ago)

    Nadal does have a chance, but he will have to fight much much harder for them.
     
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    Nadal will win 3 more RGs and 2 more non-RG slams. I do not think he can do 16.

    I also see about 5 more slams in Djokovic (mostly because he will not have to beat Fedal to get them later). Djokovic's grinding style is just as taxing as Nadal's, and his decline will be abrupt and fast.

    Federer will linger on till 35s' and will win 1 more slam before retiring.
     
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  33. Hood_Man

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    Was it ever really going to happen? It amazed when he won the US Open last year that people were saying he only needed 7 more to equal Federer.

    Only??

    That's only one less than Agassi managed in his entire career.

    Nadal's had some amazing achievements, is a career golden slam not enough?
     
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  34. Sarzy

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    I've always thought Rafa would end up with 12 GS.
     
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    Bah excuses, Fed worked hard to win his 16 slams. Don't worry, Nadal will have plenty of chances in the future to catch him.
     
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    If Nadal wins this US Open, then he might have a chance, otherwise I am convinced he will not surpass Roger.

    To defend the title will not be easy with Djokovic and Del Potro around, he has never defended a slam outside Roland Garros.
     
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  37. rayoflight110

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    Nadal is the most likely candidate to win the calender slam in 2012.
     
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    When Sampras retired at the US Open in 2003 how many were there that said "Yo, this dude with the funky ponytail that just won Wimbledon will surpass Pete's total by the end of the decade" how seriously do you think that statement would be taken? Fact is, nobody knows what is going to happen, injuries, risings of new players, resurgences from old ones, loss of desire, of will, of fight, crazy fans stabbing great rivals, anything can happen, it often does. People who make such bold predictions are doing so without any concrete basis.
     
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    Only French Opens now for Nadal, may be 2 or 3 more, but even at the FO Djokovic will be pushing him hard.
     
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    Soderling and Berdych really made Rafa work last year, didn't they?





    I thought so.
     
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    Nadal has asterisks beside USO10 and FO11. Didn't deserve them.
     
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    Ouch! So much for the god-like status of Federer: reduced to being Rafa's hitman, then easy target.
     
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  43. Mustard

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    You talk such rubbish. Nadal beat the 7 guys in front of him to win those tournaments, so he's the reigning French Open and US Open champion.
     
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  44. DjokovicForTheWin

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    Wouldn't have beaten those 7 guys if Fed didn't take out Djoker. Proven today. Remember you guys are the one saying Nadal is no longer peak on clay, but peak on other surfaces. Djoker beat peak Nadal. Would have destroyed Nadal on clay at the FO. Nadal got very very lucky. He really owes Fed.
     
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    Roger/Rafa: BEST BROMANCE EVER!
     
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    I don't see any difference in the top 3 in 2005-2008 compared to 2011.

    In 2005-2008 you had a 2 men's game Federer and Nadal, then Djokovic came in early 2007.

    Nowadays you have a 2 men's game Djokovic and Nadal with an old Federer still keen to upset the top 2 players in the world.

    The only difference is the field. I believe before with Safin, Hewitt, Roddick, Nalbandian, Ferrero, still good Agassi were tougher than Murray, Soderling, Berdych and Ferrer, Del Potro lost the last 2 years of his career so I don't count him as long as he hasn't completed his comeback. At least Safin, Hewitt, Roddick and Ferrero could take sets off Federer in Slams or basically win sets in Slam finals. Murray at this point is nothing better than prime Nalbandian.

    I find it paethetic that some Nadaltards already make excuses in case Nadal doesn't surpass Federer. Nadal himself has been winning Slams since 2005, should we take away his first 4 French Opens, then?
     
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  47. Mustard

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    Maybe. Maybe not. It will be left forever to people's imaginations since the match never took place. You can't blame Nadal for beating Federer to win the French Open title. You blame Djokovic for losing to Federer in the semi finals.

    I'm the one who's been saying for ages that Nadal's peak level of play was April to August 2008, when he won 8 titles in 4 months. Not even Djokovic nor Federer have won 8 titles in such a short period of time.
     
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  48. DjokovicForTheWin

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    You're contradicting yourself here by making predictions as you did before the match.

    You are wrong about this. Nadal's peak level of play is now. You can't use the timing of events to consider peak play, that's idiotic.
     
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    Djokovic has an asterisk next to his Wimbledon because he didn't have to face Federer

    Federer has an asterisk next to FO 2009 because he didn't face Nadal

    See how stupid that sounds?
     
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    He'll get very close, he has another two French Opens in the bag which take him to 12, he just needs to pick up 2-3 more and as long as he's close, with his superior head to head he has the better record.
     
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