Does anyone still believe Nadal will catch Federer in slams?

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  1. flyinghippos101

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    What a load of delusional crap; A player doesn't reach 8 finals and two grand slam finals playing out of form tennis.
     
  2. Carsomyr

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    Since 2005, Federer has won 12 majors to Rafa's 10. Since 2005, he's ended the year #1 four years to Rafa's two. Since 2005, he's also spent 237 weeks at #1 compared to Rafa's 102. This isn't even factoring in that Fed's been past his peak for a number of years now.
     
  3. fednad

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    On a serious note:
    Nadal is a great and proven champion, is only 25 and his career is not over yet.
    Do not write him off.
     
  4. DjokovicForTheWin

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    These are your opinions, therefore you cannot claim that what I posted was wrong.
     
  5. BeHappy

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    I disagree personally. I remember Hewitt when he was at his best and I remember Hewitt in 2004-2005, and I don't think he was at his best in 2004-2005 by any means.
     
  6. Rickenbacker4003

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    I never thought he would catch it even after he won the French. I predicted 14-15. Perhaps tie Pete and that's it. But I'm ok with it if he doesn't pass Fed. I have respect for Fed and I don't have any issue with him. To me, there is never just one GOAT. Different times, different equipment. All that nonsense. To me Fed and Nadal are perhaps the best players ever to play in the same generation. A co-dominance that we will probably never see again.
     
  7. Antonio Puente

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    It's hard to say. As long as he keeps winning the FO, he has a shot. That's his cornerstone. If he does that 2-3 more times, he has a chance. Plus, it's possible he could go on another streak. He had just won 4 out of 5 prior to Sunday.
     
  8. MichaelNadal

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    I always thought 13-14 and im sticking with that. Hell, he has 10 now and is 25, he has a great shot to catch Fed. He was just in a slam final 2 days ago and people are predicting DOOM o_O
     
  9. Biscuitmcgriddleson

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    Agassi Beat Sampras in 95 for the title and then again in 2000.

    No there is no disgrace in losing to the man who eventually won the tournament. None the less, it just goes to show that playing at your best does not equate to you winning.
     
  10. BeHappy

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    The way Roddick played in the 2004 Wimbledon final he would have had his victories. He had more forehand winners than Federer, and broke him multiple times. It was a very tight match. Roddick won the first set, in the second he was down 5 love and came back to 5 all before losing that set. He was competitive with Federer and would have beaten him in at least one grandslam if he hadn't started moonballing.

    And he lost to the eventual champion of the French Open, Roddick's game revolved around hitting clean winners with his serve and forehand, he could never ever win the French Open.
     
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  11. Sentinel

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    exactamente, mi amigo !

    And Nole, Delpo and Muzzer should also win a few in the next 2-3 years :D
     
  12. pringles

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    Roddick's 2004 Wimbledon performance was his best in a Slam against Federer, on the other hand it was Federer's worst and still Fed won in 4 sets. Tell me in which other Slam match Roddick would have a chance playing the way he did in 04', cause I see:

    2005 Wimbledon: a loss, probably would be a bit more tight but a straight set loss nevertheless
    2006 US Open: no chance
    2007 Australian Open: LOL no chance at all
    2007 US Open: Roddick playing even better for 2 sets than he did in the 04' Wimbly final and he lost both sets
    2009 Australian Open: no chance
    2009 Wimbledon: Federer was worse than 04', Roddick was better and still managed to lose
     
  13. Sharpshooter

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    Way to contradict yourself.
     
  14. pringles

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    Now we know that as good as a player Roddick is (was), his 2009 run was a fluke. He played very well in both 04 and 09 Wimbly finals. Federer in 09 was tense.
     
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    Fluke?? You're joking right? Roddick beat Berdych, Hewitt, Murray and took Federer to five.
     
  16. pringles

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    After 2008 that was his only good run in a Slam, he has been crap since losing to guys like Isner, Tipsarevic, Lopez, Lu, Wawrinka, Gabashvili.
     
  17. Born to play

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    1 more AO
    3 more RG
    2 more WI
    1 more US
    he will win AO or Us (one of them) 2 more times
    18.
    Hopefully 1 CYGS
     
  18. Clarky21

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    Lol,no way Nadal wins all of that. Hell,he will be lucky and extremely fortunate to win 1 more slam much less 8 more.
     
  19. beast of mallorca

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    Well, as a big supporter of Rafa, I would say it's probable it might happen!
     
  20. Sentinel

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    Nole is having issues with his knees, so the weak era will restart and Nadal can dominate and win another 10 slams.

    It all depends on Nole.
     
  21. dingo

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    I think Rafa can win 6+ more. He's the strongest mentally, he always puts out 110% of effort in every match I've seen him play, he's fit like a bull, he has the highest error-margin game. He constantly tries to improve his game. Yeah, as much as a Fed's fan in me hopes he won't, when I look at the facts I have believe he can do it, unless he gets injured with his physical style of play. Short of that, I think he's got all the ingredients to win 6+ more.
     
  22. syc23

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    I think it's going be tough for Nadal to match 16 GS, never mind overtaking Roger. Novak will be standing his way at RG and Wimby from now on and if Delpo can get back to his best, along with Murray (should he improve his mental toughness), hard court slams will be even toougher to win going forward.
     
  23. dingo

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    That may be true. But just about everyone around Nadal still has to prove they can sustain high level of play over at least a few years' span. Roger and Rafa have proven this. The rest of the field is still working out their mental issues in this respect. This is why I think Rafa can do this provided he stays healthy and cares to win more.
     
  24. ViscaB

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    He was not in his best form for sure. He struggled very much in the FO where he would normally hardly drop a set.
     
  25. tenniselbow1

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    If anyone thinks Nadal had even the slightest chance against Novak if they were to have played this year in the FO, go see a shrink and declare yourself a *******.

    I've been saying it since Madrid, saying it again. 10-12 straight wins for Novak over Rafa on all surfaces imaginable. If Novak stays healthy get ready for total dominance of a player over his main rival like the sport has never seen. I think Fed will at worst break even with Novak for a few more years.
     
  26. Clarky21

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    I agree with you. I think Djokovic is going to own Nadal big time. He just isn't good enough to even come close to beating Djokovic. He is too one dimensional,and has declined too much for him to beat Novak ever again.
     
  27. dingo

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    Totally agree with you... provided a million assumptions about various future conditions hold true. But, just in case you have a crystal ball in your possession, let us know, I'm sure we all have a question or two to ask you... of the record of course:wink:
     
  28. DjokovicForTheWin

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    How bout now?
     
  29. kishnabe

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    Nadal will be close(14 slams) but as long as Djokovic plays like he is this year in the slams....as a ******* I will be happy.
     
  30. halalula1234

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    very likely
     
  31. Federer>Djokovic>Nadal

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    He will catch Fed, but Fed will surpass him, after Nadal retires of injuries and Fed continues on at age 35.
     
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    Think he'll get to 13 or 14, but I don't think he's likely to catch Federer now. He's at the age where he's at his peak and he really needs to be dominating the game and racking up the slams, but suddenly he's not the best player in the world any more and seems in a bit of a rut with his confidence. And given Djokovic's performances in Madrid and Rome, I also don't think he's such a lock to win the French now.

    I also remember Rafa's people saying years ago that, given his style of tennis, they don't really see him playing beyond 30. I certainly don't see him in the top 3 when he's 30. He really has this year and next year in which he needs to add to his slam total quickly. If he gets to the end of 2012 with 12 slams or fewer, I don't think he'll do it. More than that, he still has a shot, but a long shot.

    Not that it matters - he's one of the all time greats, and 13-14 slams, plus a career slam, for me would put him in the same bracket as Federer, Sampras, Borg and Laver.
     
  33. Clay lover

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    Yeah we all know you think Nadal sucks. Let's wait till Novak gets to 16 slams, he's the King!
     
  34. The way I see it, lots of people stare themselves blind of the NUMBER, the NUMBER is 16. That would be 6 more for Nadal= every GS for 1,5 season.

    1 slam left in 2011. In 2012 Nadal will turn 26, possibly (most likely imo) still with 10 GS. We all know how much can change from the WTF until the AO, its a long break. Just take a look at what happened to Djokovic from the WTF 2010 and the AO 2011. And we have young guns knocking on the door, Raonic,Tomic,Harrison etc.

    My point is: In 2014 i CANT SEE Nadal winning slams, not even RG. So the way I see it he has got 9 chances (USO 11, AO 12, FO 12, WIMBY 12, USO 12, AO 13, FO 13, WIMBY 13, USO 13) to win 6 slams. He needs to win 66% of the Slams until the year he turns 28.

    To be honest, i think there is a bigger chance that Djokovic catches Nadal (im not saying he will) than Nadal catching Federer.

    Thoughts?
     
  35. Magnetite

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    I think Fed can play for a few more years. He won't maintain the same level of play (he's in decline right now), but he still has a chance to win more majors.

    Nadal thus, needs to get up to 18 or 19 slams in my opinion.
     
  36. TennisCJC

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    I like Nadal as a person - nice guy, tries hard, humble -, but I don't care for his style of play. I hope he doesn't catch Federer as Federer is a more well rounded player.

    I think it is 50/50 if he catches Fed or not. I don't think Nadal will win a slam past 28 yrs old as his style of play is brutal on the body. I also think he has slipped significantly this year in quality of play.

    I hope Fed wins a couple more slams and Nadal ends up with around 12 slams.
    My opinion is that if Nadal was right handed, he would have won 4-6 slams at best. His serve isn't that great and it would get eaten alive if he were right handed. He depends on speed and grind. It kills me when MeEnroe says he is one of the best volleyers on tour. He is an adequate volleyer for a pro. Davydenko volleys as well as Nadal. In fact, Davydenko leads head to head 6-4.
     
  37. DjokovicForTheWin

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    To be honest, I don't think Nadal would win any slams if he played right handed. Fed would eat him alive every time.
     
  38. celoft

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    I see Fed winning 17 slams.

    Nadal 12 or 13 at the max.

    Fed will remain GOAT.
     
  39. DjokovicForTheWin

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    How about now? :)
     
  40. slice bh compliment

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    I have no scientific basis for this, but, I feel it will be like this:
    Rog 17,
    Raf and Nole tied with Pete at 14,
    ...
    Tsonga tied with Courier at 4.
     
  41. tennis_pro

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    Yea, Nadal had to beat Federer 7 times to win majors. Federer never had to beat Federer to win 7 majors. :)
     
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  43. DjokovicForTheWin

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    How about now? :)
     
  44. celoft

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    Federer 17

    Nadal 12

    Djokovic 10
     
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    It is all about Joker. He is the only one cabale of stopping Rafa. How long can he stay healthy and keep playing well.
     
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    What's more interesting is that Djokovic is closer to Nadal in the Slam-count than Nadal is to Federer.
    Nadal needs to win 6 to tie Federer. Djokovic needs to win 5 to tie Nadal.
    All eyes on Roland Garros this year as Djokovic attempts to win the Career Slam. Would be a shame if Nadal becomes the first man in history to ever lose 4 consecutive Slam finals to the same player. Not sure Nadal can afford another loss to Djokovic in a Slam final, especially on HIS turf where he's dominated his entire pro career. The one major advantage Djokovic has is that the surface is faster on clay and the balls are faster. And Nadal's clay game has regressed ever so slightly since he became an all-surface player. He's not a complete pusher like he used to be and that's what made him so hard to beat on clay for so long.
     
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    "Still"??? I never did think he would get that many.....
     

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