Does anyone think that it wasn't Nadal's knee after all?

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  1. Ledigs

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    Maybe he just was tired of it all and needed a break.
     
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    He was on drugs, got caught and now has a new substance which can't be traced.

    Pitiful human being.
     
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  3. AtomicForehand

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    "Does anyone think that it wasn't Nadal's knee after all?"

    No. Just you.
     
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    The dude was gone for 7 months and came back when he felt ready. Was he supposed to come back at the WTF with bad knees still and get smashed? That would have made you guys happy. He's NOT injured anymore, the knee is giving him pain sometimes, but he's able to play. Idk why the trolls think he should be hobbling around on crutches lol it's hilarious.
     
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    Fed put it pretty well.... Rafa is "careful" and wouldn't come back half broken.
     
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    I am a huge Nadal fan so I don't know what you guys mean.
     
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    More like i'm a hater and my whining won't change the course of Rafa's career. :)
     
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    Actually you got it wrong, check posting history. Ledigs is a total *********.
     
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    Don't think it was the knee.
    He wouldn't be playing on hard courts if it was, he already said it was the HC's giving him the problems.

    The other reason could be he needed a reason for why Rosol beat him, he has a lot of pride and it was a painful defeat.
    Nothing wrong with this as he's just a person.
     
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    Sounds outrageous but could very well be true.
     
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    I was always confident that he would come back stronger as ever. Having seen him fake injury so many times on court, why would I believe he is injured just because he says so.
     
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    They also think he should have had surgery just to please them, when he made it clear in more than one interview that he didn't want to.
    Like they know better.

    I've actually just come through something similar (though obviously with not such high stakes, since I'm not a world class athlete or anything). There have been a lot of people in my life who've been like "Just have surgery, and get it over with" even though there were no doctors that could guarantee me a positive outcome -- and I've been to plenty of distinguished ones -- where a friend of mine with the same injury had to have surgery and then a joint replacement. Now it turns out I'm recommending my PT, who was as patient with me and my recovery as Rafa's was with him, to her ... so she'll have to do everything I had to do on top of the replacement she had to have that it looks like I won't have to. (We're both girls, so Q-angle problems are even more severe than those that guys have.)

    People think they know better than the person who's having the trauma. And now, having retooled his game yet again, Rafa's in the final.

    Let 'em crawl.
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    So the guy takes a freaking 7 month break because maybe he was emotionally down?

    The only thing more outlandish than the silent ban theory is the nadal was so scarred by his losses that he had to rest for 7 months theory!

    Isn't the bloody point of resting his knees for so long that he come back better ?!
     
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    Nadal didn't play the Australian Open since he felt that he would not be able to win it (I believe those are his own words). Sure he could probably get to the later stages but he was right that somebody would have taken him out.

    Now the fact that he DID play Indian Wells basically tell us that no matter how rusty or cautious he felt, there was enough optimism in him that he could WIN this tournament, not just get past 3rd round or something.

    I mean why would he come back injured?! That makes no sense. Thus I don't know what the heck the trolls are on about or were expecting. Since 2009 debacle he has started becoming pretty good with his schedule and IMO he chose his comeback very carefully. Chances are that he was most likely going to do well here, or else he wouldn't have come back IMO. Nothing suspicious about it.
     
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    Logical thinking on this forum:shock:.
     
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    Will you please stop posting reasonable comments. Such common sense is not allowed in TW !!! :twisted:
     
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    Any knee issues were clearly exaggerated. There would necessarily be match fitness, physical issues, and endurance challenges bedeviling a return -- which largely haven't happened. His recovery has been completely unnatural.

    John McEnroe, one year removed from the winningest season in tennis history was tired of it all and needed a break. He sure wasn't able to bagel the #4 player in the world a few weeks after returning.

    JMDP -- the first man in world history to beat both Fred and Nads in a slam -- took almost an entire year to get his timing and match fitness back.

    Thomas Muster took almost 8 months to start beating top 10 payers again, and except for one swan song tournament years later Mats Wilander never really returned to form.

    So this return has been unnaturally anomalous.

    However, if an athlete was doping, they would have needed to be off the juice in time for the Olympics. So a very mortal performance at SW19 would hardly be surprising. Similarly a flimsy and otherwise laughable excuse for skipping Melbourne would suggest that the latest cycle hadn't cleared their system and was still detectable. And there wouldn't be any endurance or injury-related issues hindering their performance in a comeback. Assuming an athlete was doping.

    What we've seen with Armstrong, McGwire and Clemens is that any athlete that "magical" is un-natural. And it's entirely reasonable to suspect them of cheating.
     
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  18. Agassifan

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    100% : He needed a break (absolutely sure he had no injury.. just look at the matches before the one he lost). That is not to say that he was in a great condition physically (but not unlike other players).
     
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    i think he had knee issues and needed treatment and rest, but i think they were greatly exaggerated by press and TTW.
     
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    Clijsters was out for 2 years and won USO (which was her 3d tourney back), it can happen.

    McEnroe took break but at the time also lead a very different life to Nadal (who by all accounts lives a pretty sheltered life in comparison), he got into drugs (maybe influenced by his wife who also a drug addict).

    Delpo never had a period of sustained excellence at the highest level like Nadal did (who won a slam every year since 2005), he played great in the 2nd half of 2009 (especially FO and USO) but it's obvious he needs to play closer to his peak ability then Nadal in order to contend for the big tourneys.

    Muster is nowhere near Nadal's league as a player so I don't know about using him as an example (the guy had only one truly great CC year and had a couple of runs on HC).

    If we're talking about cheating, atleast all of top 10 are suspicious to me simply because of the way modern professional sports are, as far as I'm concerned it's only a question of who gets caught and thrown to the wolves, not who's using especially among the biggest stars.
     
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    I find alot of credability to the "he was doping so took the time off to avoid being found out" theory, i mean he wasnt exsactly playing badly. Even in God mode, Rosol still only JUST beat him. One break and he was in a form most players can only dream about.

    I think its possible the silent ban is also true, people think in this day and age that everything is public and you cant hide any secret. Its not true, celebritys only get found out with private stuff coz they want it and pay for the publicity. When its something bad then they can cover that **** up better than anyone.
     
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    Someone has to say it.... Silent ban.
     
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    The reality is that Rafa is still rusty and that's the truth, no? Let's face it, he played against a hot Gulbis, who had to be a little tired, and can choke. Then he plays Fed, who's obviously got a bad back, but in general Rafa can beat Fed. Then Berdych, who is a mental midget. Doesn't mean Rafa has been out of this world, it just means the stars have aligned for him as he brushes the cobwebs off.
     
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    The shame of losing to Rosol was too much, he could no longer go out in public.
     
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    Don't bother. ****s can't think clearly. They're just too bitter. And too dumb.

    BTW Zagor, when you find a thread like this with comments like this one has about Fed, then tell me there are Fed haters here like there are Nadal haters...
     
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    To me, it's all pretty much a dumb discussion. After watching a lot of tennis for a lot of years, the one thing that I see separating the top few players from the rest of the pack is a MENTAL edge. The guys who have this edge are Nadal, Djokovic, and Federer (although he's in decline now).

    I saw many glimmers of mental domination coming from JMDP against Nadal. I think in the future, he will truly believe that he can beat these players... at will.

    You don't need PEDs to compete at the highest levels. Too many guys have played well into their 30s, running back and forth like rag dolls. Jimmy Connors? Agassi? Navratilova? To name a few.

    The key to success in tennis is not shortening the recovery time. This isn't cycling.

    The key to this game is the mental edge. It is obvious who has it... and who doesn't.
     
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    Ah, so he was out for seven months because the stars were outa line !

    Good one, along with the shame one.
     
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    I didn't claim there are as many Fed haters as Nadal haters (not now atleast) just that the worst of them are just as bad (and many Fed fan bashing threads of the past were deleted).

    However just to get a taste of how bad it was in say 2009:

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=3600574&postcount=146

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=3600444&postcount=139

    I'm not gonna search/bring up SoBad's posts (of last year IIRC) insinuating Fed dying in the near future (asking if his twin daughters are old enough to attend his funeral) or insinuating his daughters are gonna end up as drug addicts cause those posts are just too sick and depraved so take my word for it (or don't).
     
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    Fine, I'm going to take your word for it. Those kinds of posts must be very spare though, I've never come across them. I don't know what this board might have been like before 2011 though.

    Does that SoBad guy even post anymore?. I don't remember seeing him in a while.

    Anyway, I don't think there's many people among the Nadal fanbase who are much hateful of Federer (which is quite logical really). There's a Federer ranting thread or something on VB and the posts are not so bad... the Djokovic one on the other hand...
     
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    I've been a competitive athlete all my life and been around other athletes competing at very high levels and was totally shocked by how incredibly fast Nadal returned to his peak. Serena is a similarly suspicious case...Not accusing either directly of juicing but it is VERY suspicious to say the least. I think most posters would be surprised how many players in the top 50 are involved in some sort of doping...We are all quick to accuse football, baseball and track athletes of cheating but when millions of dollars are involved, MILLIONS of dollars are involved!!
     
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    There's only one thing to say about all of this. Djokovic fans are the most peaceful bunch on here.
    Djokovic is a much better loser than the likes of Federer and Nadal. Those 2 guys challenge their own serves when an opponent makes a good return. :lol: And they always make excuses for their losses. Nadal especially. Bunch of whiners.
     
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    Exactly. Nobody from within the sport is going to make any kind of case regarding tennis players doping. Not one. It's very bad for business.
     
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    The untold truth as told me: The real reason for the break was a dispute with an outside management agency with which Nadal was contracted with in 2012. They were getting too big a cut of his total earnings. Nadal wanted out of the contract early last year but the outside agency won't let him. He used the knee excuse as a way of getting out of the contract. As of 2013 that contract ended and Nadal and his relatives are now sole recipients of all his earnings.
     
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    Is this some sort of delusion?
     
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    I think his backhand was affected by his knee issue.
     
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    A perfect verdict on your own work.

    Not only did you build a straw man, you did so in the most classless way possible.

    Best of luck in life, buddy.
     
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    Yep, you're one of the very few posting here who gets it. The **** Support Group either doesn't play tennis, or does so at a very low level -- and as usual they're in hilariously venemous denial. This has likely been the most unnaturally rapid return to form that our sport has witnessed.

    This past week's results have only confirmed it for me: there's no doubt in my mind that Nadal should be at the very top of the suspect list in tennis.
     
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    Uh-huh.

    So Nads signed a one year contract with an anonymous agency? After his results in 2010 and 2011? For terms that just a few months later he felt were excessively onerous? Prompting him to forego all tournament earnings for the rest of the calendar year AND the first two months of the following (non-contractual) year??

    Am I understanding this correctly?
     
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  39. rufus_smith

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    That's all I know. I don't know the details of the whether it was a good decision by Nadal to take a break or not. For more info you could try googling "Nadal IMG" for starters.
     
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