Does anyone truly hate federer's GAME?

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  1. joeri888

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    Just what i was wondering. Federer is
    Praised by Many and his playying style is one of THE reasons for his popularity. He plays agressive, takes balls early and is both smooth and elegant and has all the shots. His current main rivals are often Praised as well but also often criticized for being defensive and physical and spinny rather than purely technical with An offensive mindset.

    My question is whether people have criticism of purely watching feds game And what you truly hate about it. Not antics or personality, but does Any tennisfan hate his game and why?
     
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    I hate that I'll never look so smooth on a tennis court! Seriously, only a masochist could express hatred for his game.
     
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    hahahahah this might be the best topic ever.

    No, I don't think you can truly hate his game. You can hate Federer, and everything else around him, (horrible competition, easy draws, arrogant statements,etc) but you got to say he does atleast play the game correctly/the way it's supposed to be played which is aggressive minded to some degree.

    I wish he would play a more all court game and come in more, but I understand why he doesn't.

    But yeah, I bet someone will come along and say they do.
     
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    No, I think very likely no one can truly hate his game. But I think to a lot of people, it is not just Federer's style (which is great to watch), but also the fuss-free way he plays, without any histrionics and basically just getting on with the "job" without undue delays. I think this aspect of his game has not been mentioned enough.
     
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    How can you hate God?
     
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  6. BULLZ1LLA2.0

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    Most error-prone world number one I've ever seen. What's not to hate?
     
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    I hate that he doesn't come to the net more often and waited so long to start with more drop shots and open up more of his game.

    But that's really saying I hate what has been done to the game.
     
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    Not every player is good at the drop shot or net-charging. So they didn't do anything bad by not using those tactics, since they were only doing what they could. Federer can make those shots but refused to. So really Federer has 'done it' to the game.
     
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    I hate my game when i watch him, which in turn, makes me hate him. Does that count?
     
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    That's why you like him, you *******.
     
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    And still winning as many titles and setting records as he did. How?
     
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  12. BULLZ1LLA2.0

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    A lazy player with natural ability. What's not to hate? I'm into the more hard working players. 'Titles' aren't something to like, regarding a players GAME.
     
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    What makes you think he's lazy? Lazy players don't become the most successful players in history.

    No, I don't think you can truly and totally hate Federer's game IF you play tennis. As a tennis player, I am simply amazed how he makes a sport like tennis look so beautiful and graceful. Learning to play tennis is difficult and many people (most, I would say) don't look particularly nimble or graceful playing this sport. No one makes it look as easy as Federer. When you look at Nadal and Djokovic, they look like they're giving a full effort, sometimes like they're in pain. But not Federer. He's different. To make shots look so easy that we as amateurs have so much difficulty mastering is something that I truly appreciate in Federer's game.

    As a player of the one of the most difficult sports in the world, I have to admire the man who makes it look so easy and beautiful.
     
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  14. rommil

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    Awesome, you're a Djokovic fan!!!

    So what do you think of this Mallorcan player who hasn't work hard enough that he has no titles for almost a year now, and the other pros have been playing this past few weeks? One lazy mofo he is.
     
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    Hey, now. Leave Safin out of this, he's got politics to worry about.
     
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    The only "right" way of playing tennis is playing the game within the rules. Unless playing a defensive game is against the rules of tennis, the only place where playing offensively is "more right" than playing a defensive game is in your head.

    Some people blame the the slowing of the surfaces, but I think Federer seems to have some kind of compulsion to prove to himself and everybody else that he is somehow better than Rafa and Nole from the baseline, which he plainly is not at the moment.
     
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    Not sure who you are talking about. Nobody works harder than Nadal.

    Djokovic (and Monfils) has a more athletic/flexible body than Nadal. This allows freak retrieving skills. Monfils doesn't have the tennis skills to match. Djokovic does.
     
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    This cannot be proven. Fact is, no one knows how hard these guys work. I almost never hear about anything Federer does off-court, but his results on court show that he works extremely hard.
     
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    how hard did he work after being beaten by Djokovic time after time? After 6 times he made an adjustment to his racquet (and stilllost,but at least he finally tried something new). Is that hard enough, soon enough?

    Federer worked hard on his game and mental aproach early - he was a safin like player mentally to begin with. But all players can get somewhat lazy whan faced with changing a winning formular just to beat one player.
     
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  20. Cup8489

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    Federer is not a lazy player, you're completely wrong there. He's among the hardest workers out there, don't blame the guy for not having that 'must retreive every single ball' mentality that Nadal has..

    There's a reason why Federer has 16 majors, 12 of which were won since Rafa started winning majors: he knows how to play pretty well.
     
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    He's a blessing to our sport.

    Imagine tennis in 00s without Federer's game. Heck, imagine Youtube without Federer's tweeners.
     
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  22. BULLZ1LLA2.0

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    If only Federer kept practicing his net game over the years. You'll never see Nadal lose skills over the years. Nadal will only add to his skills and thus set a new record for consecutive slam-winning years - Nadal is at 7 in a row now, and the record is 8 by Sampras, Federer, Borg.
     
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  23. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Yeah cause you know, going from a weak backhand to a respectable backhand happens overnight. Forget retrieving balls, he makes sure they don't come back.
     
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  24. BULLZ1LLA2.0

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    Yeah, don't come back or go into the net or sailing over the baseline...
     
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    Even if that were true -- I highly doubt it -- so what. It's the Winners-to-errors ratio that counts.
     
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    Lol. It's funny seeing bullzilla acting like Federer is a terrible tennis player.. but the guy has more weeks at number 1, more majors, more titles, more years in the top 10..

    LOL.

    Oh, and Rafa is going backwards, both his serve and backhand are not what they used to be, and he can't seem to beat a guy named Djokovic to save his life...
     
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    I hate everything about Federer's game. I like him as a frank, honest and humble person but his game stinks.

    I can't stand the excessive defense, standing 5 feet behind the baseline, moonballing every other ball, excessive topspin, groundies going 5 feet above the net and 5 feet within baseline, no variety or point construction, just mindlessly getting the ball back till the opponent makes an error.

    But still I respect him as a person and appreciate him as ambassador for our sport.
     
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  28. FlashFlare11

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    Nadal's net game isn't exactly the best in the world either. Neither is his return game. Standing 7-8 meters behind the baseline to return a second serve is something he should have changed a long time ago, and yet he is still doing this.

    If you want to maintain any credibility, please refrain from making statements similar to your last one. Nadal, so far, has not won a slam this year. While it's highly likely, it's not set in stone.

    And, yes, Nadal's skills will diminsh with age eventually. There will come a point where he cannot improve his game any further, and that is when decline will firmly cement itself. It's funny how many Nadal fans say that his skills are already diminishing, and yet you maintain that he will continue to get better.
     
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  29. Cup8489

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    Well, bullzilla is nuts. lol.
     
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    And imagine tennis now, if Federer were to have retired. Yeah, Djoker and Nadal may still have been playing the FO 2011 final, and we would be immensely entertained watching towel offs and ball bouncing!!
    Fed's personality may not be likeable to all, but there's no arguing against the game. That's one of the reasons he's the biggest draw at tournaments and on televised games, even though he's not the number one ranked player anymore.
     
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    If you don't like Fed, you don't like tennis in its purest form. Period.
     
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    Not saying everyone should like Federer's personality, but he doesn't really do anything which would warrant anyone to say he's a bad person. I think he comes off as arrogant when, actually, I think it's more of a cultural thing. Europeans are more direct in what they say, so the American "political correctness" doesn't make sense (I'm American and our nation's obsession with this is absurd). He's honest and I like listening to him speak. I don't find anything wrong with anything he says.
     
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    Yeah right, and McEnroe ('Nadal has the best volleys on tour') is too. But you aren't....ok....
     
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    So explain to us senor Bul1sh!tta, why the Nadal hasn't capitalized on his superb volleying skills to prevent the 7 and counting straight losses to Djokovic.
     
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    How could anyone possibly hate Federers game. He has the best strokes and technique IMO and his footwork and light movement on the court is unbelievable. Oh, great mental strength as well. A gentlemen of the game of tennis.
     
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    I don't hate his game, but it's not beautiful to me. For some reason his game makes me feel jittery. I only watch him when he plays Nadal.

    There are some rare times where I've seen him play very efficient tennis, but it's not the tops for me.

    I don't think Gasquet's game is beautiful either.

    But, I find it amazing how some people seem to truly believe that he is the standard and everybody should love it.


    There is nothing on earth that everybody is supposed to agree on. That's what makes the sport beautiful. There are people in the stands to see #385 in the world. Different strokes...
     
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    Because Nadal wants to play on his terms and win standing 5 feet behind the baseline. Resorting to rely on his natural strengths like volleying would sound like desperation. That is not Nadal's style.
     
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    Pick up a racket, go to the courts and try to play each style.
     
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    Federer wanted to beat Rafa at his own game(the baseline). He is a stubborn SOB.
     
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  40. BULLZ1LLA2.0

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    You are one strike away from being on my ignore list.

    And Nadal doesn't like coming to the net, regardless of his skill. Nadal said in an interview before this year's AO that he doesn't like serving at 130mph because he prefers more time to hit his first groundstroke. If he serves at 130mph the ball comes back faster, which he doesn't like. Same would apply to his volleys. He has great volley skills (just as he has the ability to serve big) but he doesn't feel as comfortable at the net as he does at the baseline so he decides not to come to the net (just as he decides not to serve fast).
     
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    Please, I beg of you. Do not send me to a place full of sensible people. I could never bear not being able to interact with you. Please Bulish!tta, reconsider.:(
     
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  42. [d]ragon

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    Federer is actually one of the hardest working players out there. It shows in 5 set matches when he's not huffing and puffing. Not chasing down every ball is part of this style, which only adds to his physical fitness. I remember some commentators saying that he invited a couple of up and coming junior players to train with him in Dubai (Ricardas Berankis was one). They said that Federer's fitness was so good that his training partners had to rotate with each other to rest. When he's warming up on courts where everyone can see him, he is very carefree and almost lazy. But when he's practicing away from the crowds, you can really see he's trying.
    And, Nadal is actually a great volleyer. His form isn't the most natural looking and he doesn't come up to net much because that isn't his style. But if you've every seen him play doubles, he's pretty solid
     
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  43. monfed

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    Insightful indeed.
     
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  44. ThoughtCrime

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    How can any one say that Federer or any of the top guys doesn't work hard? If you are at the top of the world in any sport, I'm pretty sure you have to bust your ass day in and day out just to keep ahead of the crowd.
     
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    The most beautiful game I've ever seen - he can do it all - and do it with style and panache.
    Nothing to hate here .... move on.
     
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    Nobody agrees with you. You must feel very small and insignificant right now lol
     
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    I don't like him. I can't say I hate him, but I REALLY don't like him. Why you may ask? He was never appealing to me as a kid. Instead I liked the Roddick-type who hit every ball as hard as humanly possible or someone who served and volleyed on every point.

    I don't like his demeanor either. I never got the impression that he interacted with the crowd, instead he was just like "..." after every point. (that said, I hate Hewitt with his c'mons)

    I respect the guy though. He's brought great things to the game of tennis, influenced a lot of kids to pick up a racquet, he does great humanitarian work, and is certainly graphite GOAT.

    I'm just nagging on I presume...
     
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    It's okay, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But do you still now dislike his game? Letting go of his antics for a moment. Purely his playing style, is it still not appealing to you, because he does not S&V or hit the crap out of the ball?
     
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  49. Rock Strongo

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    I think it's some Pavlovian thing because as a kid, whenever Fed played I thought "oh not again", and now it perhaps lies in my subconsciousness that whenever Fed plays, I either switch streams or stop watching. I don't know really...
     
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  50. Wilander Fan

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    Sitting 3 feet from the net and hitting a volley is literally the easiest thing in tennis and anyone can get decent at it very quickly if they have good reflexes. The difference between a skilled net player and an opportunistic net rusher is the half volley. IMO, the half volley is now the most difficult shot in tennis and its been pretty much abandoned as no man's land. You need to have a good and accurate serve, anticipation and great footwork. You also need to actually send a volley into corners with pace by redirecting low topspin passing shots from your ankles at the service line. Nadal rarely S&V even as a surprise tactic and his net play is basically drop volleys. OTOH, Fed does still S&V consistently when he is on a fast hard surface and he is quite good at it.
     
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