Does anyone truly hate federer's GAME?

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  1. syc23

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    I don't hate Federer's game but dislike him more as a person as he could be quite arrogant towards his peers and preventing Murray from being a 2 time slam winner already.

    However, he plays the most graceful and effortless tennis I've ever seen. I'm sure a lot of people would love to play with the artistry of Federer but it's easier to be a grinder like Nadal on the court working hard for every point. Well, I do anyway :)
     
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    Gosh, I absolutely love his game. I can watch his matches 24/7....but I hate his personality, his huge ego. I simply can't stand it. all the things he said about young Nole and Rafa... all excuses he gives after he loses a match.

    based on his game I'd be probably the biggest fan but again his personality is a huge turn off. Fed should simply shut up and I will fall in love with him, lol.
     
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    Hmm, not surprising as you've only been seeing tennis from 2008 onwards !
     
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    the more i see federer, the more glad i am to watch the news of his and roddick's losses and retirements.
    fed can win 40 slams but it would make me enjoy djoker's dominant tennis & impersonation of federer and roddick's arrogant behavior.
     
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    I fixed it for you a bit. but you had it right essentially.

    But ...playing devil's advocate...I can see where non Fed fans are coming from.

    I couldnt *stand* Graf back in the day. She had zero personality, and I didnt like her because she beat my hero Navratilova repeatedly. I understood that Martina was in the twilight of her career but it still didnt make it any easier to accept.

    And then I couldnt stand Graf because she mowed down everyone and everything. I still maintain that the early 90's was a fairly weak era for women's tennis..but the few players that were there that could go toe to toe with her she just intimidated to rubble.

    It was only as Graf got older and started to wane herself that I appreciated her game. Her athleticism, her forehand and that gorgeous backhand slice, her all court game.

    I was honestly rooting for her in the Wimby final against Davenport.

    Another player that it took me a long while to appreciate was Hingis. Icouldnt stand her arrogance and that damn creepy chucky smile of hers.

    But as 'big babe' tennis began to ascend, I appreciated her immense variety, her strategy, ..she was a technician on the court. And I felt bad that she basically got blasted out of the game once those big hitters figured out how to play and specifically how to play her.

    I was happy when she made that mini comeback and almost got back to the top ten.
     
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  6. SLD76

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    so tired of fools trying to say Rafa is a great volleyer.

    he is competent and a great opportunistic volleyer. Edbergesque, he aint.
     
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    I like Federer's game generally. I do find the Djokovic and Murray game more aesthetically pleasing (less jerky/"explosive", more fluid and/or flexible), but I realize this is all subjective.

    His demeanor leaves something to be desired. When he is passionate he is fun to root for (although I only do against players I truly despise such as Berdych, Fish and a few others).

    I think he is a good guy off the court. He could have had any super or glamour model but chose to be with the merely above average looking Mirka for many years. I didn't like how quickly he seemed to embrace the "greatest of all time" media chatter going as far back as 2005, and he seems to be a sour loser much of the time. But generally, he is a commendable sportsmen and I have no qualms with him.

    I do have qualms with some of his "Federer as a religious experience" article-inspired fans, who are incapable of accepting the fact that Federer can lose a match to a player with an "inferior" playing style, and will generate all kinds of reasons to discredit the victor. You may say "oh every player/ team in the world has those kinds of fans", and while that may be true, they seem to be overrepresented among Federer and tennis fans as a whole based on my experience.
     
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  8. vernonbc

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    Federer actually has a lousy 5 set record. He's 114th on the career list at 18-16. http://www.atpworldtour.com/Reliability-Zone/Reliability-5th-Set-Record-Career-List.aspx Rafa has the best of active players at 15-4 and Novak is second at 15-5. Kohlschreiber, surprisingly, is 3rd.
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    I find many of his fans much more annoying than Federer himself. To me, Fed's game is rather boring but I acknowledge that he's very good and there's no denying he's been extremely successful. As you say though, seldom will the Fed fandom give his opponents credit and it's not only because I'm a Nadal fan and get annoyed that he doesn't get recognition for his wonderful game. It's always the 'match-up'. Well if Fed has such trouble with Rafa's left handed game, why do other left handers never give Fed trouble? Lopez and Verdasco are two who have never gotten even one win against Fed, Melzer's won one. And does almost every other player on the tour have a bad match-up against Nadal? I mean, he beats them all regularly. It's fine to love Federer's game but it would be nice if some of his fans were a little more fair and realistic.
     
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  9. jerriy

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    A rabid Nadal or other palyer stan claiming to not like Fed's game is not credible at all.

    There ought also be the same feeling towards Roger's game originating from a non-partisan/neutral person as well in order for it to be believable).

    So based on that we can say the answer so far is that no one hates Fed's game :)
     
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    Beauty is in the eye of Beholder, it's a matter of taste.

    Tell me again how you're supposed to be a Fed fan, LOL! Amazingly, Fed with all his oh so easy draws never faced a 237 ranked journeyman in Wimbledon SF.

    BTW. There's no "correct" way to play the game, especially when we're talking about pros whose various different games have proven to be effective on the highest level, you don't any extra points for style and/or beauty.
     
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  11. BULLZ1LLA2.0

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    Federer was ranked number one most recently in early 2010. Should I disregard anything I saw of him and only focus on pre-2008? Even 2005-08 there were plenty of high-error performances. He actually dropped more sets at slams back in 2005-08. He has always played a bit loose.
     
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    I hear this quite often in this forum (from Fed's detractors usually) but really when did Fed embrace all this "greatest of all time" media talk" (like say Ali or Jordan did) ? I have not to date hear the man say he's even in the conversation for the ridiculous GOAT mantle, heck just recently he said he shouldn't be put even over Lendl let alone some other greats.

    Sore loser, I can agree with (although that does get overblown around here).
     
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    ^ Zilla dude, attacking style automatically has a higher rate of UEs than a defensive style (generally speaking). But you have not presented any indication that Fed specifically is more error prone than most or even many players out there, not counting Nadal and other more clearly defense oriented "high percentage" players
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    Once upon a time kragster said that you are a "MURRAY ****",allthough initially i didnt believe but now it's been proven beyond doubt that u r a "murray hard"..:)
     
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    hating federers game means hating tennis ;P
     
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  17. Hitman

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    Federer is a lazy player? LOL! What the....
     
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  18. monfed

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    I think the more relevant question is "How can anyone like ******'s GAME?"
     
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  19. abmk

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    How would you know considering you didn't even watch any tennis before 2008 ? :twisted:

    yes, he's an aggressive player, which means he's going to make errors. He's not someone who's going to play 20ft behind the baseline, waiting for the other player to make error during the course of an endless rally !

    He didn't drop more sets at slams back in 2005-08. You are showing yourself to be more dumber than what I thought earlier .....
     
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  20. abmk

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    yes, some dumbos think that because he plays an "effortless" game, he doesn't work hard .....
     
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  21. joechiang

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    I love effortless games.
     
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  22. Hitman

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    I think Roger should take it as a compliment. He makes the performance so good, it looks like he's not even trying. Nothing mechancial or ugly about his strokes. ;-)
     
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    we have a saying here that goes:
    ein rudi völler.. es gibt nur ein rudi völler.. ein rudi vööööööölleeer.. es gibt nur ein rudi vööööller..

    the same is true for roger federer :D
     
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  24. devila

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    no, nadal fans praise federer because there are fewer gimpy losers who are at roddick's highest infamous level.
     
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  25. BULLZ1LLA2.0

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    Firstly, you are on my ignore list from now on.

    2005 US Open: (6-4 4th set vs Kiefer R16, 6-3 4th set vs Hewitt SF)
    R128 Ivo Minar (CZE) 77 W 6-1, 6-1, 6-1 Stats
    R64 Fabrice Santoro (FRA) 76 W 7-5, 7-5, 7-6(2)
    R32 Olivier Rochus (BEL) 29 W 6-3, 7-6(6), 6-2
    R16 Nicolas Kiefer (GER) 38 W 6-4, 6-7(3), 6-3, 6-4
    Q David Nalbandian (ARG) 11 W 6-2, 6-4, 6-1
    S Lleyton Hewitt (AUS) 4 W 6-3, 7-6(0), 4-6, 6-3
    W Andre Agassi (USA) 7 W 6-3, 2-6, 7-6(1), 6-1

    2006 Australian Open: (5 setter vs Haas R16, 7-6 4th set vs Davy QF)
    R128 Denis Istomin (UZB) 195 W 6-2, 6-3, 6-2
    R64 Florian Mayer (GER) 69 W 6-1, 6-4, 6-0
    R32 Max Mirnyi (BLR) 34 W 6-3, 6-4, 6-3
    R16 Tommy Haas (GER) 41 W 6-4, 6-0, 3-6, 4-6, 6-2
    Q Nikolay Davydenko (RUS) 5 W 6-4, 3-6, 7-6(7), 7-6(5)
    S Nicolas Kiefer (GER) 25 W 6-3, 5-7, 6-0, 6-2
    W Marcos Baghdatis (CYP) 54 W 5-7, 7-5, 6-0, 6-2

    2006 US Open: (6-4 4th set vs Blake QF)
    R128 Jimmy Wang (TPE) 109 W 6-4, 6-1, 6-0
    R64 Tim Henman (GBR) 62 W 6-3, 6-4, 7-5
    R32 Vincent Spadea (USA) 84 W 6-3, 6-3, 6-0
    R16 Marc Gicquel (FRA) 79 W 6-3, 7-6(2), 6-3
    Q James Blake (USA) 7 W 7-6(7), 6-0, 6-7(9), 6-4
    S Nikolay Davydenko (RUS) 6 W 6-1, 7-5, 6-4
    W Andy Roddick (USA) 10 W 6-2, 4-6, 7-5, 6-1

    2007 US Open: (6-4 4th set vs Lopez R16)
    R128 Scoville Jenkins (USA) 319 W 6-3, 6-2, 6-4
    R64 Paul Capdeville (CHI) 120 W 6-1, 6-4, 6-4
    R32 John Isner (USA) 184 W 6-7(4), 6-2, 6-4, 6-2
    R16 Feliciano Lopez (ESP) 60 W 3-6, 6-4, 6-1, 6-4
    Q Andy Roddick (USA) 5 W 7-6(5), 7-6(4), 6-2
    S Nikolay Davydenko (RUS) 4 W 7-5, 6-1, 7-5
    W Novak Djokovic (SRB) 3 W 7-6(4), 7-6(2), 6-4

    In these 4 slams during his 'prime',
    Federer dropped a total of 4 sets at R16 stage.
    Federer dropped 2 sets at QF stage.
    Federer dropped 1 set at SF stage.

    Compared to Federer's 2 most recent slams-

    2011 US Open: (Didn't drop a set until Djokovic)
    R128 Santiago Giraldo (COL) 54 W 6-4, 6-3, 6-2
    R64 Dudi Sela (ISR) 93 W 6-3, 6-2, 6-2
    R32 Marin Cilic (CRO) 28 W 6-3, 4-6, 6-4, 6-2
    R16 Juan Monaco (ARG) 36 W 6-1, 6-2, 6-0
    Q Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (FRA) 11 W 6-4, 6-3, 6-3
    S Novak Djokovic (SRB) 1 L 7-6(7), 6-4, 3-6, 2-6, 5-7

    2012 Australian Open: (Didn't drop a set until Nadal)
    R128 Alexander Kudryavtsev (RUS) 172 W 7-5, 6-2, 6-2
    R64 Andreas Beck (GER) 93 W W/O
    R32 Ivo Karlovic (CRO) 57 W 7-6(6), 7-5, 6-3
    R16 Bernard Tomic (AUS) 38 W 6-4, 6-2, 6-2
    Q Juan Martin Del Potro (ARG) 11 W 6-4, 6-3, 6-2
    S Rafael Nadal (ESP) 2 L 7-6(5), 2-6, 6-7(5), 4-6
     
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  26. abmk

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    nearly 1721 trolling posts for about ~8 years and yet not many respond to your trolling posts. Isn't it a sad existence for you at TTW , devila ?
     
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  27. Biscuitmcgriddleson

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    Give them Nadal's spin.
     
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  28. Biscuitmcgriddleson

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    What are the high error performances you speak of?
     
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  29. Djokodal Fan

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    anyone should be crazy to say Federer was non-elegant.

    Some of the new players just look ugly with their strokes! I don't wanna mention them!!
     
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  30. jakemcclain32

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    Federer is James Bond...period. He's smooth and elegant, not a bullhorse that sweats at warmups.

    Because of that, Bullzilla thinks he's lazy. He's probably one of the hardest working players in the game. He just doesn't have to go all Tim Tebow and run through a wall to prove it.
     
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    the beauty must compensate for his cringe-inducing sloppy forehand, clay feet. bad drop shot, volley, backhand, overhead attempts, ugly angry staredowns, scowl, arrogant grin, dismissive attitude toward opponents and hawkeye line calls and smug promotion of his slams won on his feminine jacket.
     
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    i'm sure federer read all of your informative posts ever since he declined horridly,
    and babysat his daughters for mirka
     
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    if you want to make a point about whats bad about his game then at least leave out the things at which hes hes actually the best ever lol
     
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  34. Shaolin

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    To hate Federer's game is to hate thyself.
     
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  35. TheTruth

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    This sums it up perfectly for me. Federer's style isn't ugly to me, but I do find it very jerky and it makes me feel jittery.

    Agree with this as well. I don't understand people who think their opinion should override others rights to an opinion.

    As a Nadal fan I don't expect everybody to see it the way that I see it. I like him for what he represents for me, but to try to beat others over the head with what I think seems rather immature.
     
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    Entire post should be bolded.
     
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    Since when Lopez and Verdasco hit loopy heavy topspin forehands?
     
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  38. DjokovicForTheWin

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    They don't. Nadal fans are just completely delusional and hypocritical.
     
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  39. FlashFlare11

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    I find many of his fans much more annoying than Nadal himself. To me, Rafa's game is rather boring but I acknowledge that he's very good and there's no denying he's been extremely successful. As you won't say though, seldom will the Nadal fandom give his opponents credit and it's not only because I'm a Federer fan and get annoyed that he doesn't get recognition for his wonderful game. It's always the 'injuries and fatigue, especially at the end of the year.' Well if Nadal has such trouble with the calendar, why do other players who play more matches in a year or are older not use the same excuse time and again? Djokovic, Tsonga, Federer, and Fish are four players who play just as much as Nadal or are older, yet they put up a better effort at the YEC. And does almost every other player on the tour play with a similar calendar under similar conditions? I mean, he beat them all outdoors. It's fine to love Nadal's game but it would be nice if some of his fans were a little more fair and realistic
     
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    Djokovic, Del Potro, Roddick, Davydenko, and Hewitt, among many others hate his game.
     
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    Haha and since they play so much different from each other, I think you just hate tennis.
     
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  42. vive le beau jeu !

    vive le beau jeu ! G.O.A.T.

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    awesome ! i agree ! so refreshing ! :)
    you're the fuzziest poster !
     
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    LOL!!!!!!!!!! :)
     
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    They hate his game because he gave them trouble, not because they hate his style.
     
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    Hahahaha glad you liked it!
     
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    I don't hate his game, but find it too risky with little margin for error. I also don't like how he serves his way out of trouble without winning a groundstroke rally like a real man.
     
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    It's not his fault he serves like a man.
     
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    Real men don't lose 7 straight matches to anyone.
     
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    Didn't even have to go back to know that this was talking about devila :D Let's try and be him/her for a second:

    'lol at pathetic whiny federer crying about (insert topic here)' or 'look at underachieving fat (insert one more negative adjective here or a crack about his wife or mom) roddick keep on playing'

    Am I doing it right?
     
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    I guess many Fed fans hate his BH when he's up against Rafito..
     

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