Does Asia Deserve a Slam?

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Does Asia Deserve a Slam?

  1. Yes, eventually a 5th slam should be added in Asia

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  2. Yes, eventually the Aussie, US, or French Open should be moved to Asia

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  3. No, the 4 slams should always stay in their historic locations

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  1. jamesblakefan#1

    jamesblakefan#1 G.O.A.T.

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    Some seem to think that Asia is the next frontier for tennis, and there certainly seems to be some truth to that. Some even feel that Asia should be given its own Grand Slam event in order to help spur on the growth of tennis in the region. Where do you stand on the issue? Do you ever feel there will be a Grand Slam event held in Asia?
     
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  2. Nathaniel_Near

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    Relax folks, ...
    No, they certainly don't.

    But today is today, and tomorrow is another.
     
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  3. LameTennisPlayer

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    The AO is the grand slam of Asia/Pacific so ill say no.
     
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  4. Mustard

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    There are 4 majors:

    Australian Open
    French Open
    Wimbledon
    US Open

    This is how it should always be.
     
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  5. DjokovicForTheWin

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    Majors should be by continent. N.America has one. Australia has one. Europe has 2. Remove one from Europe - FO. France definitely doesn't deserve it, they're practically 2nd world. GIve one to Asia, maybe Japan or China.
     
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  6. Homeboy Hotel

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    No.

    This is probably Asia on a good day during the ex-Masters Cup final, kind of like a free drop in session:

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    Asia is VERY lucky to have it's 2-3 week swing concluded by a Masters 1000, also use to to hold the Masters Cup final. That is enough for Asia, the demand is not there for any more.

    ATP would want to cut tournaments in Asia than get the ITF to bring in a slam.

    These four are the perfectly working, timed and traditional slams:
    Australian Open
    Roland Garros
    The Championships*
    US Open


    *yeah, it's not called Wimbledon really.
     
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  7. Bobby Jr

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    I'm all against moving tradition in sports with some trumped up "it's time to be inclusive" etc type justification when the only reason they'd really consider one is TV revenue.

    It's the reason we have a number of Formula One races in Asia and the middle east despite there being no truly standout or competitive drivers from the region in the sport, ever.

    Tennis will move a slam to Japan/China/Singapore long after they've got one in South America who have a much longer and closer affinity with tennis.
     
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  8. cork_screw

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    Yes, the 5th Grandslam I've always said should be in Shanghai. Every great city deserves a slam. People bring up Indian Wells. Well we already have one here in NY, we don't need two in the same country. Shanghai would be awesome because it's so different than any other country in terms of culture and each slam currently is venued in a country that is so disimilar from one and another that it makes each special and unique. Someone else mentioned every continent has one, and I totally agree. Every continent should have one, then the highlighted country of that continent and then you should select a prominant city from that country and Shanghai is the capital of asia. It's basically a new york equivalent to asia. China also puts a lot of effort into their tennis events, having it in Shanghai would be amazing.
     
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  9. sportsfan1

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    The answer's simple really - demand and supply. If a region, whether its Asia or South America, can bring in the kind of revenue - attendance at the games, sponsors, TV audience - that existing slam locations do, or even better surpass them, then yeah, a slam should be held there.
    Conversely, unless the region can sustain it, slams shouldn't be there for other non-sport reasons.
     
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  10. LameTennisPlayer

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    what about antartica??? u want one there too?
     
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  11. Hood_Man

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    I don't think there's room for a 5th major. 3-4 months between the end of the Oz Open and the start of the French Open really isn't that long imo.
     
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  12. Bobby Jr

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    In that case Mumbai or Buenos Aires - both are great cities which have decades longer and closer association with tennis.

    As I said in a post above I am dead against the recent trend to share sporting events around based on nothing but potential revenue spikes.
     
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  13. Towser83

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    Yeah, we could have a 4th surface. Ice!!! imagine the injuries
     
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  14. kishnabe

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    Hell no.....that would ruin the sport. The four slams are historic and changing it would detriment past players and dreams of future players.

    Asia having a gs....they never deserve it and never should. Disgusting.....though they should have MS1000 and even WTF. Grand Slam....no way!
     
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  15. Roddick85

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    Totally agree with you, Asia is already lucky to have it's own Master's 1000. The amount of people in attendance says it all. In my opinion, broadcasting this tournament worldwide hurts the ATP's image more than anything, it's not good for they're image to show a tournament on TV with a crowd comparable to the local junior tournament of your local tennis club.
     
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    Yes they do need a slam but not now maybe in 10 years, when tennis is bigger there
     
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  17. Shaolin

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    South America needs one before Asia.
     
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  18. Nathaniel_Near

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    Relax folks, ...
    Asia deserves to be slammed for their pathetic turnout at tennis events.
     
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  19. Devilito

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    lol totally agree. When they have a million people lining up at the gates to get tickets and salivating at the chance to watch pro tennis then we’ll start talking about tennis in Asia again. So far it’s the most pathetic display in history. For such populated countries with an addiction to ping pong and badminton their lack of interest in tennis is legendary. As far as I’m concerned I couldn’t care less if another tennis ball was every hit again in Shanghai.
     
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  20. ninman

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    You do realise that despite the massive population most people can't afford tickets. Not only that tennis rarely if ever shown on tv. I recall watching the 2009 US Open final, which kept cutting out in the middle of rallies and then they stopped broadcasting it altogether in the middle of set 3.
     
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    I do realize, however until they can get their act together tough luck. Look, I sympathize with the low wages in China however it seems to me that they’d rather have an empty stadium than lower prices to the point where fans can afford it. And the fact that they don’t show much tennis on TV is a testament to how uninterested the population is with tennis. I don’t see why they wouldn’t show it if there was a demand.
     
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    France

    Huh, where do you get the idea that France is second world? It is one of the richest countries in the EU, it has more tourists every year than any other country in the world. It is famous for its art, culture, intellectuals, architecture......Weird that you would say this.
     
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    Why would you support an evil totalitarian communist regime by giving them a tennis tournament?

    That's like saying there should have been a grand slam in Johannesburg under Apartheid.
     
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    To be fair when we speak of poor audience figures at Asian tournaments we are really speaking mainly of China. I think the audience attendances at the recent Japan Open in Tokyo were much more respectable. Certainly the final was very well attended.

    The Japanese seem to support their tennis tournaments much more than their Chinese neighbours do probably because they have a much longer tennis tradition. I don't think its quite fair to tar Japan with the same brush as China. If any Asian country deserves recognition, I think it should be Japan or maybe India.
     
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  25. OddJack

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    That would be Murray's major.

    He would love to see one in Japan.
     
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    No one appears to care about the human rights situation in China... I mean, the Olympics anyone?.
     
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  27. NadalAgassi

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    Which one would they drop. I read a few times the Australian Open is in financial trouble so maybe that would be the one.
     
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  28. jamesblakefan#1

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    Not saying you're wrong, but AO did set it's single day attendance mark last year, though the total attendance for the event wound up lower than 2010.

    http://www.thesportscampus.com/2011...n-2011-sets-new-attendance-record-on-saturday

    The USO is also peaking in attendance, though it was down slightly last year.
    http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2011/08/30/Research-and-Ratings/US-Open-gate.aspx

    Roland Garros might have been the one to move, but since they announced a new stadium I don't think they're leaving anytime soon (and it's hard for me to imagine a CC slam being in Asia :shock:)

    Not even going to question if Wimbledon would ever cease to exist. The day that happens would be the day hell freezes over. Why would the ITF agree to let one of these events lose slam status when they all seem to be doing succesfully?

    The other thing to think of, re. adding a 5th slam, is that do people really think that the FFT, Tennis Australia, LTA, and USTA would just let Asia receive a slam, and in the process devalue the prestige of their own events overnight?
     
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  29. helloworld

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    Dude, if any country is 2nd world or 3rd world for that matter, it would be Australia, not France...
     
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    Why not an Asian tour? If the prize money is more than the ATP tour, you would get the top players. It would be a good competition to the current tour too.
     
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    Nadal would get injured just thinking of playing on ice.
     
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    I live in Asia and tennis is not a big sport here (unless it's played on a table). Let's just stick to our traditional 4.
     
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  33. DjokovicForTheWin

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    France is one of the lowest ranked western european nations in terms of human development. Even Korea and Hong Kong are ahead of it.
     
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  34. DjokovicForTheWin

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    You guys clearly know nothing about human development indices. Australia is #2 in the world. France is #20.
     
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  35. slice bh compliment

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    I think if Asia Muhammad works hard, she will qualify for the main draw at the Slams. Getting to the 2nd week and winning a title would be amazing. I wish her well.
     
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  36. ninman

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    You're assuming that these decisions are left solely in the hands of the stadiums and tv channels. The Chinese government doesn't want to promote tennis for whatever reason, and ultimately they are the ones in charge of everything. The Chinese government puts more emphasis on sports that China is successful at, like table tennis and badminton.

    Trust me if they had a really good male tennis player who was winning every grand slam, tennis would be on TV all the time in China, and the stadiums would be full.
     
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  37. 15_ounce

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    Africa, Asia, South America, The Arctic, The Antarctic, should each have one slam, otherwise tennis is racist. :mrgreen:
     
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  38. ViscaB

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    Even:):):). You are such an old world person still living in an eggshell. The world has moved on.

    As if 20 is bad as well. It's on a level comparable to the great countries in the world. It's above wealthy countries like Finland, Singapore Luxembourg or the UK.
     
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    last i checked there was lots of debate if asia deserved a masters 1000.
    so right now? no way..

    sometime in the future? i dont know.. hard to say. my crystal ball remains cloudy
     
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  40. tusharlovesrafa

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    You are only speaking of china and hong kong..Table tennis isn't popular here much in india.It kinda bores the hell out of me..
     
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    There can't be any more than 4 slams because it has to be achievable to win them all. 5 is too physically demanding. Asia has to be happy with Australia being its representative for the future. At the moment it doesn't hold enough value placing a slam in the region. Australia is a much more accessible venue.
     
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  42. jokinla

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    Their lack of support at Shanghai is ridiculous, they don't deserve one.
     
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  43. tusharlovesrafa

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    I think asia derserves 2 slams....
     
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  44. ViscaB

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    More accessible. In what sense... Asia is not represented at all by Australia. We are as far away from Australia as from Europe here.

    As I said before tennis needs to catch on before Asia can have a role. But Asia is obviously more accessible. All we need is a Yao Ming player and then things can one day kickoff. I would say a city like Singapore is the best place to start.
     
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    With *no* one to see them !
     
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  46. tusharlovesrafa

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    Enough sarcasm.Do you really think if there's a Slam in india with reduced ticket prices and lots of publicity,people won't want to see those slams?:)
     
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  47. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    like the commonwealth games?

    pfffft

    Australia considers itself part of Asia anyway...

    no change, thanks
     
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  48. TMF

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    No they don't deserve the slam. The most they deserve is an ATP 500.
     
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  49. Terre Battu

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    Stick to the big four. No Slam for a communist country. I can just see players dropping dead playing with China's horrible air quality. Tennis isn't big enough - yet in Asia.
    Just say NO!!!
     
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  50. tusharlovesrafa

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    I don't think comparing a slam with commonweath games are wise.I makes a big difference when top players plays... likes of fed,rafa and novak can pull any crowd.:)
     
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